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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 11:38:18 AM

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I'm certainly not sneezing at any of my own credentials, Caius, I know how hard I worked to get them. But as my cousin pointed out this weekend (in a convo about doctors) SOMEONE had to graduate at the bottom of the class! So while I am grateful that I had the opportunities I did, I don't measure everyone by that same standard.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 12:23:45 PM

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Maybe it's not what you got, but what you do with it.
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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 1:43:34 PM

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I agree with Caius pretty much....

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 1:55:24 PM

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In my own words and plainly spoken, you could have all the brains in the world but if the personality isn't there I won't be.

I give props for those that obtained there paper and do something productive with it. But, there are also some out there that obtained that paper and aren't smart enough to make it work for them. At the same time there are those out there that do not have the opportunity to obtain that paper. But they are as smart as a whip. The paper is overestimated, and so is the folks that are bold enough to label someone stupid.

It is about the chemistry between two people and maybe someone that does not have my IQ or have it in spades...may be so much smarter or dumber than me in other ways.

There is saying that opposites attract. I look for the connection in a person. I don't make them take an IQ test, or show me there degrees. I mean I don't measure a persons worth by how smart or dumb they are or even looks for that matter. I measure it in their strength of character, moral standing, creativity, and loyalty.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 2:22:38 PM

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I'm not so sure about this intelligence thing. If a woman has intelligence, it tends to show on her face. This will ruin the marble-like, haughty and enigmatic expressionlessness that's crucial for a femdom.

On the whole it might be better if women, and especially femdoms, were complete cretins.

I hope that helps.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 2:33:27 PM

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I'm going to sound really arrogant right now, sorry, but...

It would be awesome to find an intellectual equal or someone who surpasses me. But that rarely if ever happens because as it turns out I'm some kind of genius. I've only ever met one person I consider more intelligent than myself and he has plenty of baggage to go along with that.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 2:42:48 PM

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It would be awesome to find an intellectual equal or someone who surpasses me. But that rarely if ever happens because as it turns out I'm some kind of genius. I've only ever met one person I consider more intelligent than myself and he has plenty of baggage to go along with that.

lol comes with the territory, sweetie.
Didn't someone once say "the fool thinks he knows all"?

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 4:33:50 PM

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Caius,

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I'll also say that, in my experience, submissives who perceive themselves as intelligent will often be more likely to test boundaries, attempt to top from the bottom or otherwise manipulate; but I don't think that's controversial nor particularly unexpected. Of course, luckily the prescribed response is the same whether she's a dullard or a genius - employ a sharp lesson that any submissive can remember. ;)

I enjoy the humour here and note the caveat ("in my experience"). Those two things said, I'd have to see statistically valid evidence before buying the following: "submissives who perceive themselves as intelligent will often be more likely to test boundaries, attempt to top from the bottom, or otherwise manipulate". Assuming this were true, I wonder how/if this correlates with psychological type systems, such as the Jungian MBTI. Actually, I suspect psychological type has a lot more to do with the behavioral attributes noted than pure intellect, albeit intellect is likely a factor.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 4:42:27 PM

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Peon,

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Personally, I prefer a woman whose arse generally makes little noise.

I''m quite the opposite in this regard. Ignoring the double-entendre, I prefer feminine asses that makes noise. It's part of the built-in design and it's healthy, and consequently I find it rather cute and endearing. Also, it goes against gender stereotypes, which is another plus. :-)

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 8:37:39 PM

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lol comes with the territory, sweetie.
Didn't someone once say "the fool thinks he knows all"?

Pretty much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger

I feel that uncertainty can be a sign of intelligence. As can having the ability to admit that one is wrong or that they do not know something.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 9:29:21 PM

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Caius,

I enjoy the humour here and note the caveat ("in my experience"). Those two things said, I'd have to see statistically valid evidence before buying the following: "submissives who perceive themselves as intelligent will often be more likely to test boundaries, attempt to top from the bottom, or otherwise manipulate". Assuming this were true, I wonder how/if this correlates with psychological type systems, such as the Jungian MBTI. Actually, I suspect psychological type has a lot more to do with the behavioral attributes noted than pure intellect, albeit intellect is likely a factor.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't hold up said experiences as an empirical argument. Certainly not based on my history of submissives, some of whom have been hardly the soul of innately placid girls. But again, I don't think it's especially controversial or counter-intuitive to assume subs who perceive themselves as intelligent are going to show a higher propensity for either questioning the need for the guidelines they've been given or crossing those lines just because they enjoy those games and feel the dominant ought to expend more effort on them to keep them in line, since they have such a keen mind. Often this behaviour is flirtatious and harmless, other times it can become a serious problem that will have a draining effect on the dynamic, if not properly arrested.

Now as to personality typology, that's another kind of antiquated area of psychometrics that people are advised to take with a grain of salt. These days they are really regarded by researchers as more of a sometimes useful shorthand than anything approaching precise science. I do know that in their heyday in the past people tried to correlate them with all manner of roles (occupations, familial roles, even sometimes gender and cultural background) but again, the science was so nebulous that nothing concrete could ever be ascertained. But yes, you are right in your assumption that MBTI (and other typology schemes) do tend to at least attempt to take into account a variety of psychological factors in sorting people. It's just that they don't do it in a particularly empirical manner that tells us much that's useful. In my opinion, these measures are mostly for people who are comforted by categorizations of people that have no real-life validity. The human mind is simply too complex for such assessments to have much value beyond that.

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ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953

I feel that uncertainty can be a sign of intelligence. As can having the ability to admit that one is wrong or that they do not know something.

That's a noteworthy point, imo.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 9:45:30 PM

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dumb ass.

That really is one of the more unfortunate of American expressions, thinking about it. An 'arse that cannot speak'. Personally, I prefer a woman whose arse generally makes little noise. However, this may be because I'm a Brit, therefore a little on the prim side.

"Unfortunate" only due to your incorrect translation from "American" English to "British" English.

Dumb = stupid (not "without the ability to speak")
Ass = aka donkey (not "arse.") The donkey is tradtionally considered stupid to begin with. Thus, calling a person a "dumb ass" is calling them "doubly stupid."

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/25/2012 11:20:01 PM

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Well ladies, I'll be the first to support the notion that a degree, or any measure of formal education, is not always the most accurate indicator of actual knowledge or capability, but, by the same token, many are nothing to sneeze at. It varies widely of course, but there are plenty of degrees which clearly do not go to anyone who doesn't have their shit together on at least some level.

Pretty much, also a degree shows the willingness and ability to see something through, a determination and at least some measure of intelligence. Nobody's going to ask a few years later how well you did, but that you did it, saw it through and that you're not a quitter who will falter at the first sign of a problem. Most jobs that require more skills than swinging a shovel or asking "Would you like a drink with it?" need some degree. Who would hire an accountant without any degrees or qualifications? Would any employer put a person in charge of something that hasn't learned the basic foundation of the job? There's a pretty good reason why they teach you that stuff. People who laugh at higher education pretty often simply couldn't get one if their life depended on it. Currently it seems to be a popular notion to laugh about people who aim for higher education or worked their butts off to get it, dunno where that comes from, I always thought one needs to have a pretty agile and alert mind to actually strive for knowledge and be willing to learn.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/26/2012 4:17:12 AM

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Come visit Iowa City........home of the University of Iowa..........big ten college with a world famous teaching hospital.

Spend some time on campus. Spend some time having some of the students work for you. Especially the crew from the burbs of Chicago.

It will change your opinion dramatically.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/26/2012 1:15:44 PM

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I went through fairly extensive education, never worked exactly in the field I studied apart from when I was finished, but academia never appealed to me, the other field open was the pharmaceutical industry, 2 years, really good money but it did my head in. The discipline it required to get the degrees help a lot in other subjects, the ability to research thoroughly helped a lot in my journalistic career, the knowledge of a foreign language (English) helped to make that career international. After leaving journalism and getting into PR, the knowledge from university plus the job experience of journalism was such a plus. Additionally, I worked throughout college and universities to finance my studies (and I'm still paying back my student loans), so I got plenty or "real" work experience under my belt before I graduated, plus pretty good work ethics because if I would have lost my student jobs, it would have looked pretty dire for me, it also taught me that I'm not "too good" to do whatever needs to be done, you buckle down and do it. Not sure that I could have done all that without the solid foundation my education gave me.

I'm in LA, a friend of mine had such an extensive medical procedure done that he needs a care giver, I helped him looking for household help, wanna hear some disaster stories? I'm baffled that for $20 an hour you can't find somebody who speaks English willing to do the job, I'm pretty sure that shops pay far less, the first thing they usually tell you is that they won't do windows or carpets. University nearby, guess what, a lot of the students are very happy about cleaning gigs like that, they knuckle down and do the job because they know they need to pay for their education, yet people without any education think they are "too good" to do the job. Funny old world...

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/26/2012 1:18:52 PM

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Indeed it is. Most of the students here are driving one or two year old luxury cars and don't work.

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/26/2012 4:00:42 PM

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Indeed it is. Most of the students here are driving one or two year old luxury cars and don't work.

I think it has more to do with rich kids and silver spoons than students...

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/26/2012 4:52:19 PM

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Completely counter-intuitively, I've come across some people recently who, despite having very little education behind them, are also actually quite stupid and have no noticeable worldly-wisdom of any kind whatsoever.

Though obviously this must be quite rare, has anyone else had this experience?

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/26/2012 5:16:44 PM

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Not since i stopped using public transportation. Hope that helps!

(Wondering how many people I've offended...)

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RE: Intelligence? - 4/26/2012 6:46:49 PM

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would you be intimidated by someone with more intelligence than yourself or would it turn you on?
also what if you have a sub who is not at your mental level, would you use that to your advantage or be put off by it

FUCK no!!!!

Intelligence is an unbelievably sexy thing.

Now...if she had incredibly large tata's....she could be dumb as a post.

Well.....a treated cedar 4 x 4 anyway.

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