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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 5:37:50 AM

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The truth is a Woman needs a man. A sholder to cry on, to lean on, to comfort her...

A Woman NEEDS a man, like a fish needs a bicycle.

To make such blanket statements assumes that we rely on someone else to make us happy, and that is the most unhealthy thing someone can do. No ones happiness should be left in the responsibility of another, that must come from within. Others, should compliment us, not complete us. This statement confines woman into the the weak, emotional and "needy" catagory. Something I totally reject.

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bluesinn said: See, part of the down fall of dog slave play is that you have to find ways to please your Dom.

I totally agree.. and love the analogies given.

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Utah Goddess said: One thing I have found most boys do not consider is this: In your fantasy you are ALWAYS DOMINANT. No matter how submissive you imagine yourself to be in your fantasy....you control all the characters in that scenario. The Domme only acts the way you want her to and the whole thing is geared towards your satisfaction. The reality may be quite different

Ms. Sandi.. This is one of the best statements I've ever heard!. I couldn't agree more.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 7:06:54 AM

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The Mistress I served for I was a maid /dog. As far as being a dog went. I had to be nude at all times, not allowed on funiture and when I had to go it was outside nude no matter what the temp. was. I drink from toilet and eat from a bowl for 23 years

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 9:26:44 AM

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Thank You all for answering.
i guess it does appear as if my fantasy is pretty one sided.
i have also looked at the realities of the situation. i know being in the role 24/7 is an impossibility. i would plan on working to provide money for my Owner(s) if She wanted me to.
i would expect to be used quit significantly as a slave (i mean why bother owning a dog/slave if one can't get any use out of them?)
The idea i've had in mind of a dog/slave has been pretty realistic, or so i thougt.
Being in the role would be only at times my Mistress was not using me as a slave. On all fours just waiting for the chance to serve her again.
Sure the bondage, mitts, leashes and all that would come into play while Mistress is in no need of a slave. (What a way to keep a man out of your face, huh?)
Maybe this is still too far fetched to be realistic?
i have lived the life of a dog/slave in this capacity for a short while. A couple of times...It was great. Unfortunatly i have yet to meet a true dominate woman who does not let the silly little things in life retard her ability to always be in charge.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 9:35:53 AM

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And thank you slave 1538.
Your experiance of 23 years gives me hope.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 12:28:43 PM

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Unfortunatly i have yet to meet a true dominate woman who does not let the silly little things in life retard her ability to always be in charge.

Oh, buddy boy - it really does seem as if you mean very well but things are just not coming out quite right! Eh? For example, this one sentence is liable to raise the hackles of nearly any and all Dommes that might read it. i'm willing to wager that you run into the very same problem when corresponding with potential Dommes.

I'd suggest a few changes to your search/contact methods...

1) Please don't refer to a Domme as a 'dominate' again!
2) Refraining from using the word 'retard' in the same sentence as a Domme is a must!
3) Look up the message thread on 'How to Contact a Domme' (or How To Make a Good Impression - something or the other like that i forget the wording exactly.
4) Use the above mentioned advice and complete your profile.
5) Concentrate less on how you would like your kink fulfilled and more on the service you can provide to a Domme. (A happy Domme will be more than likely quite ready to fulfill your kink requirements so try concentrating less on this. Besides, this is something that will evolve as the relationship does so there's no sense on making a big deal about it before hand.)
6) Stop insisting that there are no Dommes that are interested in your type of kink and service!! (If you tell someone that they aren't going to like it - guess what? They probably won't!)

Good luck on your search! There's a shark for every fish in the sea - you just have to look under the right reef!

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 3:45:45 PM

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Thank You very much Destenysskeins.
i will try to better.
i apologize to Any and All that i may have offended. But it is good to see Women who have good self esteem and forgiveness in Their heart for a lowly one such as myself.
Thank You again. Hopefully my further questions will be better thought out and presented on my part.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 4:24:22 PM

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3) Look up the message thread on 'How to Contact a Domme' (or How To Make a Good Impression - something or the other like that i forget the wording exactly.

I can help you with this one:

10 steps for making a good first impression

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/29/2004 5:57:23 PM

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wolfie, you commented that a dog is easy to keep, just a leash, kennel and bowl. well, not to Me. A dog, to be well kept, requires training, grooming, good diet, regular health care, etc. That said, I will add something you might not have thought of and I might have at one time required of a dog slave: the Working Dog category!

I owned, handled, worked with and loved a beautiful Golden Retriever Guide Dog. She was intelligent, responsive and flawlessly trained and to walk down Van Ness Street, harness handle in my hand, confident and secure, was a treat! Yes, I was nearly completely blind for some time and My Guide was an actual canine.. now My eyes have been operated on and most of My vision restored. But I will never forget the joy of feeling that bond between us!

I enjoy puppy training but I think it would be difficult as Distance training or online or telephone training. It would require person to person, hands-on work. Were I to take on a puppyslave now, I would fashion a guide harness and once again have a Guide Puppy!

One of the concepts that I really like is that of Intelligent Disobedience. The handler says "Juno, Forward!" and the dog, seeing a car turning in front of them, stays put, even angling his body across that of the mistress to prevent harm. Since intelligence is what I highly prize in ALL my slaves, that facility in a dog, canine or human, is desireable! The ability to THINK. So yes, a puppyslave is very attractive to Me and were we to live closer together, I'd definitely think of it.

By the way, anyone wanting to read a tribute to My beautiful Golden Girl, Google the phrase "Now I know why" and along with it, the name "Delsie" and the page will come up. She died on 9/11/01 within 15 minutes of the WTC collapse. There will never be another like her.

Lady Sonelle

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/30/2004 3:55:07 PM

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LadySonelle,
it sounds as if You have had many trials in Your life. Blindness as well as loosing a loving pet. i am sorry to hear that You had to endure either.
You are very right, the bond between an Owner and Her/his dog can be one of the most rewarding of any type of relationship. Which is one that i would love to embrace...from the dog's vantage point, though.
The working class dog is the only type to have. i would never dream of becoming a Woman's pet dog/slave unless She had need of a personal slave, be it an income, yard care, house keeping, or all the above.
Thank You for responding.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/1/2004 7:01:54 AM

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Thanks proud! you're a lifesaver as always!!

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/5/2004 9:39:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfiedog

The reason i pose this question is because as a male, if i were a dom, i would love the simlpification of slave ownership.
What i expect from an owner is simple:
food
water
an area to serve in some degree
sexual stimulation of some sort
and an ability to be who i realy am.
Being chained up is no big deal for me. Out of the way. Accepting in every aspect. The ability to just 'be.'
i have rarely seen a relationship of any nature realy work. Except that of a woman and her pet.
Maybe i am just warped. i don't know...
Being chained up and at the use of for my Female Masters pleasure is an overwelming desire.

wolfie

I love My dog and she gives Me unconditional love. She is the one who sleeps with Me. But, I do not sexually stimulate her and she does not bring Me breakfast in bed. Puppy play is fine for a short while, but you are asking a Mistress to take you in and provide for you, and do for you. I don't see what the Mistress is getting here, other than alot of extra expense, and making sure you get out the door and into the yard before you have an accident. A quick question... Who uses the pooper scooper?

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/6/2004 8:33:32 AM

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I agree with bluesinnn. I personnally would find it too much trouble on a full time basis. I have My dog pet and cat pet and now I'm after My sub pet!

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/7/2004 5:58:09 AM

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i have to agree with UtahGoddess. Years ago i signed a contract to be a pet for 1 year. At the time it was more about learning to be a slave than a pet. Big mistake. At first it was fine, even erotic, but there was no *human* communication and in time i found myself becoming depressed, especially after i had to give up work to be a pet 24/7. By the time the contract ended, i was property-less, job-less and felt trapped.
i had thought in time Mistress would become more compassionate, but exactly the opposite happened. At the end of the contract, i was given a week of freedom before committing to a permanent contract. i signed on to one of the bdsm bbs's back then and read about a domme needing someone to help drive cross country so flew out for an adventure. We talked on the way back and made me realize i needed to get away from that Mistress and did. i would spend 10 years making friends in the scene, going to socials, etc but it was a long time before i ever again accepted anyone as my "Mistress". i am much more confident now and know my own limits and it is much more enjoyable now to serve but it was a hard lesson to learn. Be careful what you wish for. Besides, there are sooo many other things to explore, why limit yourself?

doh. i guess my nick was a subconcious slip. (lol).

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/7/2004 9:24:32 AM

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*sympathy* on your experiences, manpet! That's awful. Sadly, there are many in the scene who do not truly understand the difference between a Top and a plain garden variety bully. You were victimised and your sub-space exploited.

As I said earlier in this thread, I prize intelligence in My slaves and if a command is truly damaging to them, I EXPECT a protest! If asked for an explanation of why they are expected to do something, I shall supply it at once. "Keep your eyes shut and trust Me" is fine as a short scene, but ought NEVER to be a way of life for any submissive or slave!

It will take time, as you have said, manpet, before you will call another person "Mistress" and I don't blame you at all. That said, I say to you, "Never give up hope." for somewhere for you there is the perfect Lady, who knows and values the service of a devoted and intelligent servitor.

Take care and be well.

Lady Sonelle

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/7/2004 8:00:10 PM

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I like the idea of a cage and leash. I love the whole 6'4 thing. But I wouldn't care for changing the soiled newspaper or some version of the pooper scooper. I also wondered just how far you take this.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/7/2004 8:10:39 PM

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Actually, it's odd that I don't even like dogs and yet I like the dog/ slave idea as you have described it so far. I'm going to read up on those sites and see just how deep into dogginess this goes.

I'm a definite cat person at heart.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/7/2004 8:24:09 PM

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*sympathy* on your experiences, manpet! That's awful. Sadly, there are many in the scene who do not truly understand the difference between a Top and a plain garden variety bully. You were victimised and your sub-space exploited.

I can't feel a lot of sympathy. He asked to be treated as a dog and got it. It wasn't what he thought it would be. I think most men expect submitting will be some form of domination, having things their way all the time. They expect any domme is serving their needs on their terms. You were new and had a dose of reality. You learned from it and moved on. What's there to be sorry about?

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 11/10/2004 9:00:20 PM

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I love My dog and she gives Me unconditional love. She is the one who sleeps with Me. But, I do not sexually stimulate her and she does not bring Me breakfast in bed. Puppy play is fine for a short while, but you are asking a Mistress to take you in and provide for you, and do for you. I don't see what the Mistress is getting here, other than alot of extra expense, and making sure you get out the door and into the yard before you have an accident. A quick question... Who uses the pooper scooper?

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GoddessDustyGold,
well, i am taking a chance to post again in hopes of not offending anyone. As far as the pooper scooper...i never thought of that!
WOOF!!!
The truth is it would truely be a problem to take it to that extreme. i would imagine (unless a dog/slave Owner enjoys otherwise) that using the indoor toilet for THAT would definetly benifit both parties.
The logistics of it, to me anyway, is not to keep the dog/slave in a dog role all of the time. Obviously the true benifit of a dog/slave is in the 'slave' aspect. If it is breakfast in bed, so be it. To be a dog/slave is to be taken in and provided for, sure...as far as a pet goes. On the other hand, the Mistress has the right to make a working class dog out of the mutt and send it off to work, only to have the wages directly deposited into her own account. Perhaps she enjoys oral stimulation whenever she pleases. In the end, it really is up to her what she wants as the Owner.
It would be an opportunity for the sadistic Mistress to demean, humiliate and torture someone into submission.
i am fasinated by the power exchange. 100%. A dismantling of a persons mind as a person only to be rebuilt into that of a dogs mind. Trained to be reliant upon a human Owner (whether it has a job or not) and look at itself as only a dog. It would be convinced that it does not belong in society as a human, but in its Owners care.
i imagine it would be some work, combining disipline with kindness and understanding.
In the end the Mistress would own a dog/slave. Kept as a pet, used as a slave.
i know it is the far, far, extreme side of BDSM. However it would be the side that i would love to explore.

wolfie

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 12/7/2004 12:24:41 PM

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Perhaps it would be a better idea to define the word 'dog' wolfie. I have read all posts up to this point and clarification is something that is definitely needed in any relationship. To say you want to be a 'dog'. Defined as; a pet who is taken care of by being fed, pampered and taken to the vet on occassion, implies a very selfish nature such that you really do not belong to me or anyone else. You would be willing to go whine at anyones door for a scratch on your ear.
Or, you may have the characteristics of a dog and would like to find someone who is willing to acknowledge and validate these feelings you might have inherently within you. This definition would then be; someone who is faithful, devoted and willing to obey all commands from someone they consider their alpha in the pack they belong to. This does not mean you go pee in the yard and expect your Mistress to go and clean up after you. Your Mistress will make sure to take care of you as long as you are willing to take care of her needs first.
I myself am alpha in my pack. I have two full grown genetic dogs who are very well trained. They sit when told to sit and down when told to down. I would NEVER in a million years to think of sexually stimulating them as it would damage my alpha status in this pack. However, they are expected to do as they are told regardless of any distractions.
I currently am in search for a human dog. A person who feels they have dog-like qualities such that they are loving, devoted and willing to obey all commands. *Sexual gratification will NOT be part of this package as before stated.*

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 4/15/2005 5:09:52 PM

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Wolfie, don't ask me. I always assumed that all kinky people were into this. Then I find that it's mostly a gay male thing. I feel your pain, as it's difficult for me to have any fun around here.

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