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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 4/15/2005 6:20:37 PM

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Whineing about things won't get you anywhere either.

It's not every one's kink accept it and move on. Ot I could take a hose an spray ya like we do to my dog when he's being a pest* grins*

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 4/15/2005 6:42:26 PM

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Ahh, but what happens if the person is a straight male switch who is interested in exploring his puppy side and the only companionship he finds is from the gay community? What happens to that person looking for this type of puppy relationship when he discovers that only maybe 1 percent of the female lifestyle population is interested in this? Add to that the difficulties of overcoming being a switch within a relationship this narrow. What choices then? :)

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 4/15/2005 9:04:09 PM

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What choices then?

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 4/16/2005 5:19:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfiedog

well, i am taking a chance to post again in hopes of not offending anyone. As far as the pooper scooper...i never thought of that!
WOOF!!!
The truth is it would truely be a problem to take it to that extreme. i would imagine (unless a dog/slave Owner enjoys otherwise) that using the indoor toilet for THAT would definetly benifit both parties.
The logistics of it, to me anyway, is not to keep the dog/slave in a dog role all of the time. Obviously the true benifit of a dog/slave is in the 'slave' aspect. If it is breakfast in bed, so be it. To be a dog/slave is to be taken in and provided for, sure...as far as a pet goes. On the other hand, the Mistress has the right to make a working class dog out of the mutt and send it off to work, only to have the wages directly deposited into her own account. Perhaps she enjoys oral stimulation whenever she pleases. In the end, it really is up to her what she wants as the Owner.
It would be an opportunity for the sadistic Mistress to demean, humiliate and torture someone into submission.
i am fasinated by the power exchange. 100%. A dismantling of a persons mind as a person only to be rebuilt into that of a dogs mind. Trained to be reliant upon a human Owner (whether it has a job or not) and look at itself as only a dog. It would be convinced that it does not belong in society as a human, but in its Owners care.
i imagine it would be some work, combining disipline with kindness and understanding.
In the end the Mistress would own a dog/slave. Kept as a pet, used as a slave.
i know it is the far, far, extreme side of BDSM. However it would be the side that i would love to explore.

wolfie

Pooper scooper? Ack. No thank you! I get enough of that with a menagerie of feathered and furry animals. And I'd be interested in having someone else do it!

Oral stimulation whenever she pleases? I wouldn't want to have someone between my legs if he answered to Fido. For me it would be just a bit weird having those lines blurred. And there are so many other guys/girls out there who are all about "oral for hours" that really isn't an incentive I'm terribly keen on any way.

Sadism is different than abuse in the minds of most sadists. Perhaps in the minds of abusers this is not the case. I would not torture someone into submitting. I don't mind playing the role, but I would never truly force someone into a role they are not comfortable or happy with. I do however enjoy inflicting pain... I enjoy it a lot. I also enjoy aftercare... snuggling... and affection based relationships.

Screwing with psychology is a tricky, sometimes nasty business. Telling a person to wear a collar and answer to an Owner is one thing. But to break someone down through repetitive reconditioning, to warp someone's mind so that they accept being nothing more than a dog sounds a bit bizarre and abuse -- in my opinion. Take that as you will.

If I want a dog, I'll get a dog. There are far too many of them out there being killed because stupid people breed them and then do not provide homes for them. If I want a human who I call "pet" to make me breakfast in bed or any number of other service based things 'll find a human to fill the role.

But the world is full of everything and everyone. People have different ideas... different desires. There may very well be someone out there who understands and wants exactly what you do - with Her in charge.

I do think you might wish to try this position out as a 24/7 position with a ProDomme before you commit to this idea/lifestyle. You may find that it isn't as you expected/desired it to be.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 4/17/2005 9:47:41 AM

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For me it's not about turning my slave into a dog. It's about treating him like a dog. Whether or not you believe that dogs are below humans, treating a person like a dog degrades and humiliates him. We train dogs and keep them on leashes because they don't have the mental capacity to behave like people. We get to be their masters because we are more powerful and intelligent. The female-supremacist males that I like to associate with think about themselves along the same lines. The unfortunate thing that I find with so many slaves, however, is that they have no backbone and are too scared to let the relationship go anywhere.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 4/20/2005 4:53:35 PM

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Okay, I'm going to put in my two cents. First of all, I like puppy play. Second of all, I work in the animal industry (dogs). Now... let me take this moment to clearly state that my job working with dogs (the real ones) has nothing, whatsoever, to do with my interest in puppy play. I'm a HUGE animal lover and I feel that I have a natural skill with handling animals so this industry was just a natural step for me. Anyway, I'd say that what you're offering seems to answer both a Mistress' personal needs and a specific fetish. I personally, would be interested in something like this as long as it was clearly understood that, due to the very specific fetish, a dog/slave would NOT be the only slave in my household (then again, I always make that stipulation). It's really a matter of what specific people want and it seems like there are a few people here that have a puppy interest so I wouldn't give up any hope :-)

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/2/2005 9:02:26 PM

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i have to agree with UtahGoddess. Years ago i signed a contract to be a pet for 1 year. At the time it was more about learning to be a slave than a pet. Big mistake. At first it was fine, even erotic, but there was no *human* communication and in time i found myself becoming depressed, especially after i had to give up work to be a pet 24/7. By the time the contract ended, i was property-less, job-less and felt trapped.
i had thought in time Mistress would become more compassionate, but exactly the opposite happened. At the end of the contract, i was given a week of freedom before committing to a permanent contract.

Besides, there are sooo many other things to explore, why limit yourself?

It sounds as if perhaps this wasn't for you. If you miss normal human communication, miss work, and feel wrong being property-less and jobless, well, perhaps someone more suited to the role might have found those things liberating. Where you felt depressed and trapped, perhaps someone else might have treated it as a zen-like exercise in clearing their mind, and welcomed the feeling of belonging. I think it was very good of the Mistress to give you a whole week off to decide whether you wanted to be permanent. From what you say, I think she actually comes across quite well, if you asked to be treated as a dog and she did it. If she became less compassionate with time, some subs would welcome that as a journey towards being considered more literally canine. What she was doing may have been perfect for another sub.

I think that the sort of relationship you were heading towards was more for people who already know in themselves that they want or need to commit. I just hope that your Mistress wasn't too aggrieved at having invested a year of her life in somebody just to have them run off.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/2/2005 9:16:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Laura
I like the idea of a cage and leash. I love the whole 6'4 thing. But I wouldn't care for changing the soiled newspaper or some version of the pooper scooper. I also wondered just how far you take this.

IMO it depends on the location. If there's outdoor access and a convenient sewer point someone could build a simple doggy-loo set into the ground. If you wanted it hidden you could put a wooden kennel over it or stack up some breeze blocks around it.
Some garages already have suitable floor sewer access, and I suppose some basements too.

Sorting out these details with someone during a probationary period could be part of the fun. Think of it as extended bondage foreplay, like going shopping for muzzles etc!

It would be good to have somewhere where the dog could be hosed down (outside shower-heads above a cage?).
If you are living in a flat in an urban area, 24/7 might not be very feasible, if you own a farm or commercial kennels, it might be trivial.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/3/2005 3:50:20 AM

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I still get amazed with how much I need to learn about D/s. Here I was sitting here thinking hmmmmmmmmmm,good concept when wham, on who really has the control.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/3/2005 7:09:55 PM

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I used to find thoughts of 24/7ish human/puppy ownership to be such a wonderful ideal. That is untill I tried it out a few times on a limited basis. Sorry, I found it way more work than owning a real dog. Besides a real dog will love ya unconditionally regardless if you fulfill it's play quota. I still have my pet play fantasies and find it to be an turn on many levels, but beyond once a week of doting over a pet, it's just mentally and physically draining.

Easy is not a word I would use to describe this dynamaic in any such way.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 12:15:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: Saint
Ahh, but what happens if the person is a straight male switch who is interested in exploring his puppy side and the only companionship he finds is from the gay community? What happens to that person looking for this type of puppy relationship when he discovers that only maybe 1 percent of the female lifestyle population is interested in this? Add to that the difficulties of overcoming being a switch within a relationship this narrow. What choices then? :)

Saint,

Try looking into the Furry community. There's a lot more BDSM-related leanings in that community (out of the smaller, over-18 crowd) than one would think. In fact, I've found that a large number of people with animal identity kinks/fetishes/identities have some level of d/s power exchange interests as well.

and, don't for a minute think that there aren't Dominant Women interested in these types of activities. The thing is, though, that we want real people who can interact and serve normally. The affection and play, though, can be very role-play-oriented. That's when the reassurance and relationship "gooey filling" comes into play anyway. It's about prioritizing the role-play, I think.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 4:16:09 AM

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Wolfiedog -

I think it also has a lot to do with the areas you reside in - I am not sure where you are from. But, I know that here in Los Angeles puppy/dog slaves are abundant. I have always found them quite fun and wonderful as slaves...as they tend to be as loyal as a puppy.
However, in the last few years as the BDSM community has become more "public" and "maintstream" I have noticed that the puppy/dog fetish has gotten a "oh that's weird" wrap. So has the adult baby/diaper fetish. Basically, I think it has a lot to do with a huge rush of NEWBIES in the last 5-6 years into this lifestyle. A lot of people who are into bedroom play and do not understand a lot of the fetishes that are out there.
I have been in this lifestyle since I was 16 (no, not as a Pro) and was brought up in the Gay/Lesbian community where fetishes like this are very common. Let me know what state you are in and I have a friend who runs a puppy/dog slave group - I will see if she knows of any groups in your area.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 6:39:24 AM

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Saint,

Try looking into the Furry community. There's a lot more BDSM-related leanings in that community (out of the smaller, over-18 crowd) than one would think. In fact, I've found that a large number of people with animal identity kinks/fetishes/identities have some level of d/s power exchange interests as well.

and, don't for a minute think that there aren't Dominant Women interested in these types of activities. The thing is, though, that we want real people who can interact and serve normally. The affection and play, though, can be very role-play-oriented. That's when the reassurance and relationship "gooey filling" comes into play anyway. It's about prioritizing the role-play, I think.

Meow!

Purr

Thank you MsPurrmeow. I have looked at the 'furry' side of things and didnt really find an interest there for me. They for the most part, take it to far for my comfort, and thats okay. THats their thing, not mine. I understand what you mean when you say you want real people who you can interact with normally. Im not looking to be put in a cage or locked up. Basically, my needs are simple. After putting in a 10-12 hour, blistering hot work day in the sun, all I really want at the end of the night is to lay my head in someones lap and get my ears scratched or maybe even swatted with a newspaper if I did something wrong.

Relationships come first and foremost in this lifestyle, the roleplay comes secondary and It would be impossible for me to be in this role 24/7. *shrugs* I have bad knees and so when it comes to crawling around, thats pretty well limited, unless its on a nice comfy mattress that is! :D

As I mentioned though in my previous post, I am a switch. I understand prioritizing relationship needs with roleplay needs. Its not an all consuming desire for me, but it is one that is hard to ignore some lonely nights.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 9:05:48 AM

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In My experiences "puppy play" and owning a slave who "is" a puppy as much through attitude and personality can have many differing dynamics that fit well either within play or within a relationship.
With My Swedish slave "puppy play" is something I do within scene with him even though one of his main kinks and desires is to be a puppy 24/7 and for this he would happily give up his life in the film world to be caged and treated harshly as a puppy. But...personally I do not feel a puppy personality through him and his desires "feel" self serving to Me more as an attention getting need than anything else. Now this may not be fair as I know he is close to obsession with his desire to be a puppy full time. Though I have owned him for 6 years in a 24/7 household and use him as a puppy throughout many portions of most days...I do not get any specific pleasure from this role with him.

I have not tried puppy play with My American and know that if I do at some time it will only be for the humiliation factor and lessons in obedience and dedication to My pleasure through a form of submission that would be totally foreign to him. he does not have a puppy personality type. I have only owned this toy for just over a year so there is a lot of room for growth and I may at some point find that both he and I do come to enjoy limited puppy play.

My Canadian/Australian slave is the one I see as a puppy. I have been known to tell him and those in My inner circle that he really has no use at all other than being My pet. The thought of being no more than My pet fills him with a calm happiness and his devotion and loyalty is interestingly "different" not better, but different than that of the others I own. It is his greatest joy to keep Me amused...to cuddle happily at My feet collared and leashed...to never raise above his knees...it is his "personality" that is puppy like which I find adorable. his antics are cute and consistent and though I do use him for other services it is his "puppiness" that makes him so adorable to Me. I have a harsh/loving relationship as his owner...which fulfills both his need and My own. This little beast has been Mine for almost 2 years.

I could never be completely satisfied owning only a puppy no matter how much he attracts Me and fulfills Me on many levels but as an addition to My well rounded family he definately fits in seamlessly.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 10:22:45 AM

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 10:27:01 AM

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i have been and always will be a dog/slave.
my question for any Mistress that might wish to answer is: what is it about a dog/slave that Women do not want?
It is the opportunity, as i see it anyway..., that a Woman would find it somewhat appealing to own a dog/slave. They would have a personal slave to answer to their every whim while being able to treat it (him) as a dog. It is relatively easy to keep a dog. A leash, a kennel, a cage, easy to feed and care for...while having all of the benifits of a slave.
i am just wondering what i am doing wrong.

wolfie

I have a slave who also identifies as an anthromorphic fox (thus his name).

But he is human first and foremost. I can treat him like a pet but he's always a humanoid pet who can do things even if he's acting animal like.

Personally I don't see a lot of service potential from a dog/cat/bird/what have you first identified slave. Probably because I'm not interested in pets in general.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 10:36:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Wolfiedog
Maybe this is still too far fetched to be realistic?
i have lived the life of a dog/slave in this capacity for a short while. A couple of times...It was great. Unfortunatly i have yet to meet a true dominate woman who does not let the silly little things in life retard her ability to always be in charge.

wolfie

Short term is quite different from long-term indeed.

But I have found a few of your statements (such as the last one above) may do more to explain why you have problems finding a mistress or master: you have a very clear idea of of what she should be like and anything else seems to generic judgemental statements.

We all must live in the everyday world, even those who are very very wealthy must hired folks to do that at least.

Being in charge is tiring and it is not always active. For me, part of the definitin of a slave is that he makes my life easier, that he foresees what needs to be done, and he takes care of me. I don't need to be "in charge" then all the time.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 10:40:33 AM

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Being in charge is tiring and it is not always active. For me, part of the definitin of a slave is that he makes my life easier, that he foresees what needs to be done, and he takes care of me. I don't need to be "in charge" then all the time.

I agree. Whenever someone tells me that I should want total control over their life I just point out:

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"He died of overwork" John Warren

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 10:43:29 AM

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Ahh, but what happens if the person is a straight male switch who is interested in exploring his puppy side and the only companionship he finds is from the gay community? What happens to that person looking for this type of puppy relationship when he discovers that only maybe 1 percent of the female lifestyle population is interested in this? Add to that the difficulties of overcoming being a switch within a relationship this narrow. What choices then? :)

I think that if puppy play is just one of several things you'll have good luck finding someone to explore that with other things. I'd done it myself for example but its not thrilling for me.

If however puppy play (or any "animal' play) is a big part of your needs/desires, then yes that really limits your pool of potential partners. This is true of any singular interest or desire -- the more varied you are, the more potential partners you have.

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RE: What's wrong with dog/slaves? - 10/4/2005 11:27:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Shadowsdream
I have been known to tell him and those in My inner circle that he really has no use at all other than being My pet. The thought of being no more than My pet fills him with a calm happiness and his devotion and loyalty is interestingly "different" not better, but different than that of the others I own. It is his greatest joy to keep Me amused...to cuddle happily at My feet collared and leashed...to never raise above his knees...it is his "personality" that is puppy like which I find adorable. his antics are cute and consistent and though I do use him for other services it is his "puppiness" that makes him so adorable to Me. I have a harsh/loving relationship as his owner...which fulfills both his need and My own. This little beast has been Mine for almost 2 years.

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