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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 12:44:50 PM   
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I wanna see the wnba wearing butt floss bikinis


Shame on you... Ummm ... got a target date for the launch of the league... I here Lucy and Tazzy are in training camp right now

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 12:46:54 PM   
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There's a lot of them that I'd just as soon they wear a full Burqa.


That's cause guys like you are gonna FUCK THE WHOLE SPORT UP insisting it be based on Athletic Ability!


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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 1:00:51 PM   
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Alas, I was having a hard time believing anyone could be so ignorant, stupid, 100 years behind, blind and flat out full of horse shit... then I read "...Phoenix, Arizona..." and it all made sense.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 1:05:51 PM   
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Alas, I was having a hard time believing anyone could be so ignorant, stupid, 100 years behind, blind and flat out full of horse shit... then I read "...Phoenix, Arizona..." and it all made sense.

The word "Catholic" should have been a big tipoff.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 1:25:43 PM   
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Well, that too... but I know many perfectly reasonable Catholics as well. Hell, one of them being a female who I'm pretty sure could kick my ass, even though I've got probably 80 lbs. and 9 inches on her.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 1:58:12 PM   
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I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.

I don't see it happening for physical reasons.

I, on the other hand, look forward to the day when female swimmers exceed the capabilities of male swimmers.

What phsyical reasons prevent women from competing with men in baseball?


At the major league level, Pure flat-out speed and strength.

I know there are individual women who can outrun or are stronger than an individual male but when you get to the top 0.01% of each gender, the females are behind.

Don't believe me on that? Look at 100 meter times and pound for pound weightlifting results at the olympics this summer

Swimming, on the other hand is different. Women have a very small extra layer of subcutaneous fat which makes their body more hydrodynamic than men. I don't see the day to be very far in the future when women at the world's and olympics will match and exceed the times of the men.

There aren't any olympic sprinters in baseball and strength is of minimal use in the sport. Hitting a baseball and throwing a baseball are more skill than strength.

Swimming may always be gender unequal due to the dive. Men are in general taller and swimmers tend to be in the tallest few percent of the population. That difference in leg length means more mechanical "spring" which means more time in the air and more speed when the men hit the water. just watch the difference of where men and women enter the water during the races.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 2:00:15 PM   
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Four years later (kids are 12 and 13) when we played the same team and the boys were weighing in at 170-200 lbs. We refused to take the field because we were afraid she was going to get crushed (she weighed about 120) and the league backed us.

You're kidding right?

12 years olds weighing in at 170? Just how much HGH were these kids taking?


When I played FB in Jr Hi (12-13), we had a lot of kids at or slightly over 200. Hell, that was almost 40 years ago and kids are bigger now.


I played more recently than that and 12 and 13 year olds are 5th and 6th graders and they were never anywhere near 170. My junior high played in a league where the minimum weight was 140 and we had trouble fielding a full team.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/11/2012 2:11:22 PM   
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What phsyical reasons prevent women from competing with men in baseball?


At the major league level, Pure flat-out speed and strength.


The thread is about children playing baseball not mlb.
That being said what was babe ruths time in the 100?
What was fernando valenzuela's time in the 100?
What was george brett's time in the 100.
What I have noticed in mlb is the ability to hit the ball and catch the ball seem to be of paramount importance.


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I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.


My statement was a continuation of the discussion between Myself and Domken concerning this statement by Ken. "I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it."

Please note the words Major league baseball in his statement.

Please try to keep up.

You asked me to"keep up".
Go back and read what I said...then try to formulate an apology.


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I do not know the the hundred meter times of the aforementioned people. Their hundred meter times are immaterial as they either made their living with their strength or the speed at which they could pitch a ball or a combination of the 2 (Ruth).


Ruth and valenzuela used talent and guile not strength to strike out batters.
Brett had a glove that was made of "super glue".
I am glad you agree with me that you were mistaken about the need for speed.



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If females in the majors was likely, there would be more in college. As it is, I think there is one female player in college and she is playing at the NAIA level.




Could it be a funding problem? Traditionally women's sports do not bring in nearly as much revenue as men's sports.


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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/14/2012 8:10:53 PM   
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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/14/2012 8:12:34 PM   
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What phsyical reasons prevent women from competing with men in baseball?


At the major league level, Pure flat-out speed and strength.


The thread is about children playing baseball not mlb.
That being said what was babe ruths time in the 100?
What was fernando valenzuela's time in the 100?
What was george brett's time in the 100.
What I have noticed in mlb is the ability to hit the ball and catch the ball seem to be of paramount importance.


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I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.


My statement was a continuation of the discussion between Myself and Domken concerning this statement by Ken. "I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it."

Please note the words Major league baseball in his statement.

Please try to keep up.

You asked me to"keep up".
Go back and read what I said...then try to formulate an apology.


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I do not know the the hundred meter times of the aforementioned people. Their hundred meter times are immaterial as they either made their living with their strength or the speed at which they could pitch a ball or a combination of the 2 (Ruth).


Ruth and valenzuela used talent and guile not strength to strike out batters.
Brett had a glove that was made of "super glue".
I am glad you agree with me that you were mistaken about the need for speed.



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If females in the majors was likely, there would be more in college. As it is, I think there is one female player in college and she is playing at the NAIA level.




Could it be a funding problem? Traditionally women's sports do not bring in nearly as much revenue as men's sports.




You got this thing so convoluted I'm going to just answer two question. Ine concerning funding and the other concerning the "need for speed".

Ever since title 9, funding has been mandated to be equal for mens and women's sports. This has resulted in exponentially MORE opportunities for women in the NCAA and hundreds of men's programs have been dropped. Your argument that there is only 1 woman playing baseball in college because of lack of fundcing is then an epic FAIL.

As for the need for speed, Per this http://articles.latimes.com/1990-04-09/news/ss-992_1_pitching-coach/3 Valuenzuela threw hi 80's. I know of no females with that capability. Can you name one? Either put up or shut up. He also was an uncommonly good hitter batting over 300 at times and his career average was 200.
You say Ruth used guile to strike out batters. What about those 714 homers? Was that guile as well or strength?
Brett was also a much faster than average runner. That's how he pushed .400 one year. He beat out a hell of a lot of grounders. Are you going to claim you can beat out an infield grounder or get on base by bunt with average footspeed? You won't find position players who run slower than average. College uses the DH so a pitcher can be slower on their feet than average.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/14/2012 8:47:54 PM   
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I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.


And I look forward to the day when men play in the WNBA, right besides the women. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/14/2012 9:01:33 PM   
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We have a female place kicker on our local HS team. On anything inside 35 yards, she's money in the bank.



FOUL... there may not be three MALE high school kickers in the entire country who are money in the bank inside 35! You'd be lucky to find ten that good in the NCAA. And the attrition rate of place kickers in the NFL shows exactly hard it is to kick a 45 yard field goal.

If there was a female kicker, a female high school kicker, who was constantly hitting 40 and 45 yard field goals, she would be a Teabowesque story with National TV & Print coverage at all of her games.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/14/2012 9:04:27 PM   
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We have a female place kicker on our local HS team. On anything inside 35 yards, she's money in the bank.



FOUL... there may not be three MALE high school kickers in the entire country who are money in the bank inside 35! You'd be lucky to find ten that good in the NCAA. And the attrition rate of place kickers in the NFL shows exactly hard it is to kick a 45 yard field goal.

If there was a female kicker, a female high school kicker, who was constantly hitting 40 and 45 yard field goals, she would be a Teabowesque story with National TV & Print coverage at all of her games.


I said 35 yards, not 45
That means line of scrimmage is the 18.
She doesn't have the leg to hit 40, one of the guys kicks off and tries the stuff outside 35 but he only hits about 1/3.
Ya literally moved the goal posts on that one.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/15/2012 5:01:32 AM   
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But Our Lady of Sorrows, a fundamentalist Catholic school in Phoenix that lost twice to Mesa Prep during the regular season, chose to forfeit the championship game rather than play a team fielding a female player.


Maybe they were just afraid of losing for a third time.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/15/2012 6:58:01 AM   
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But Our Lady of Sorrows, a fundamentalist Catholic school in Phoenix that lost twice to Mesa Prep during the regular season, chose to forfeit the championship game rather than play a team fielding a female player.


Maybe they were just afraid of losing for a third time.

NEWS FLASH.


boi hits nail directly on the fucking HEAD.

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/15/2012 7:07:33 AM   
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I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.


And I look forward to the day when men play in the WNBA, right besides the women. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.

Actually there is a good reason for not having mixed gender basketball. The game emphasises height and strength

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/15/2012 1:55:48 PM   
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Ruth and valenzuela used talent and guile not strength to strike out batters.
Brett had a glove that was made of "super glue".
I am glad you agree with me that you were mistaken about the need for speed.



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If females in the majors was likely, there would be more in college. As it is, I think there is one female player in college and she is playing at the NAIA level.





Could it be a funding problem? Traditionally women's sports do not bring in nearly as much revenue as men's sports.




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You got this thing so convoluted I'm going to just answer two question. Ine concerning funding and the other concerning the "need for speed".

Ever since title 9, funding has been mandated to be equal for mens and women's sports. This has resulted in exponentially MORE opportunities for women in the NCAA and hundreds of men's programs have been dropped. Your argument that there is only 1 woman playing baseball in college because of lack of fundcing is then an epic FAIL.



Not according to this
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http://feminist.org/sports/titleIXfactsheet.asp


•Women make up 54% of college students and only 43% of college athletes.1
•Title IX compliance has been driven by law suits and threats of law suits. Although the law states that schools that violate Title IX will lose their federal funding, in thirty years no school has ever lost federal funding for not complying with Title IX.
• Male college athletes receive 36% more scholarship dollars than female college athletes at NCAA institutions.1
•Men's college athletics receive more money than women's in scholarships, recruiting, head coach salaries, and operating expenses.1
•Men have substantially more employment opportunities than women in college sports. Women are 16.9% of the Athletic Directors, 44% of the head coaches of women's teams, 2% of the head coaches of men's teams, and 27.8% of the full time athletic trainers.1

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Since Title IX, the numbers of boys and men playing high school and college sports have increased as well. In high schools, close to 4 million young men now participate in sports; almost 400,000 more than did in 1972. In colleges, over 200,000 men compete in athletics; 30,000 more than did in 1972. There are 215 more men's college baseball teams and 248 more men's college basketball teams than there were in 1982.3

Since Title IX, the number of high school girls who participate in sports has gone from 1 in 27 to 1 in 2.5. In the same time period, the number of high school boys who participate in sports has remained at 1in 2.2


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As for the need for speed, Per this http://articles.latimes.com/1990-04-09/news/ss-992_1_pitching-coach/3 Valuenzuela threw hi 80's. I know of no females with that capability. Can you name one? Either put up or shut up. He also was an uncommonly good hitter batting over 300 at times and his career average was 200.


Is it your position that hitting is all strength and not timing?


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You say Ruth used guile to strike out batters. What about those 714 homers? Was that guile as well or strength?


What was his time in 40 yd. dash?


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Brett was also a much faster than average runner. That's how he pushed .400 one year. He beat out a hell of a lot of grounders. Are you going to claim you can beat out an infield grounder or get on base by bunt with average footspeed? You won't find position players who run slower than average. College uses the DH so a pitcher can be slower on their feet than average.


Flo jo's time in the 100 was 10.6 what was brett's?

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/15/2012 3:06:47 PM   
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I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.


And I look forward to the day when men play in the WNBA, right besides the women. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.

Actually there is a good reason for not having mixed gender basketball. The game emphasises height and strength


And baseball doesn't???

OK then... When will men be allowed to play on the LPGA and WTA tours? Is there any reason they can't start this year?

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/15/2012 4:27:21 PM   
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When will men be allowed to play on the LPGA and WTA tours? Is there any reason they can't start this year?


Wasn't it a little girl named billie jean king who kicked world famous tennis champ bobby rigg's ass up between his ears????

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RE: High school forfeits baseball game because of a gir... - 5/15/2012 4:55:39 PM   
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I look forward to the day when women play major league baseball right besides the men. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.


And I look forward to the day when men play in the WNBA, right besides the women. There is absolutely no reason to not allow it.

Actually there is a good reason for not having mixed gender basketball. The game emphasises height and strength


And baseball doesn't???

OK then... When will men be allowed to play on the LPGA and WTA tours? Is there any reason they can't start this year?

Baseball does not to the same degree. Player on player contact is limited and skill means as much or more than as strength in both hitting and pitching. This will be even more true if steroids are finally eradicated from the sport.

As to golf and tennis, never played golf but my understanding is that men do drive the ball considrably farther than the women, aren't women's tees shorter than mens?.

Tennis is one where I think it would work out fine to play mixed gender. Finesse is way more important than raw power.

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