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RE: SUB DROP - 5/24/2012 3:23:57 PM   
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Never, never , never, never leave a sub/slave who has experienced subspace, monitor for several hours, and she must never drive for 24 hours.



That's so not true. I go into space nearly every time I play, at times very deeply so. I have never waited 24 hours to drive after that. After I start coming around a bit, I drink plenty of fluids, and eat fruit, sweets and protein. It's usually more like 2-4 hours after that I drive, but I am alert and careful and do just fine. I also am required to call or text one or more people to let them know I'm home safe.

Understand that not all slaves/submissives/bottoms are the same. We are individual people and as such what we need and want will vary greatly.


Same here and my experience is that most people are somewhere in that range.


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RE: SUB DROP - 5/24/2012 4:26:33 PM   
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I totally agree with OsideGril on this

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RE: SUB DROP - 5/25/2012 3:57:49 AM   
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The old school folks have talked about it for years. It's commonly discussed in the local groups settings. Though I have to admit some peoples idea of aftercare consists of nothing more than wrapping the sub in a blanket.

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RE: SUB DROP - 5/25/2012 4:07:14 AM   
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I may of gotten more laughs from some of the replies than a 5 year old got giggles in his first 5 minutes playing with a Tickle-Me-Elmo doll.

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RE: SUB DROP - 5/25/2012 4:22:21 AM   
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The old school folks have talked about it for years. It's commonly discussed in the local groups settings. Though I have to admit some peoples idea of aftercare consists of nothing more than wrapping the sub in a blanket.



And for some bottoms that's all they want or need if even that.

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RE: SUB DROP - 5/25/2012 6:31:33 AM   
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I experienced a serious instance of Sub Drop once when the eye bolt pulled out of the ceiling beam.

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RE: SUB DROP - 5/25/2012 6:34:22 AM   
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Though I have to admit some peoples idea of aftercare consists of nothing more than wrapping the sub in a blanket.
I have some friends that don't even want that.


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RE: SUB DROP - 5/28/2012 5:52:53 AM   
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Understand that not all slaves/submissives/bottoms are the same. We are individual people and as such what we need and want will vary greatly.


Very well spoken sassySarijane, your post is very valuable in this Masters opinion.
Needs and wants vary , differences between individuals can be vast.

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RE: SUB DROP - 5/28/2012 5:56:29 AM   
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I have some friends that don't even want that.


I know many who see aftercare as a Dom/Dommes / Master/Mistresses weakness, throwing a blanket over a person as they are a piece of meat, is part of their perversion or kink.

This Master knows of some very serious cruel cases were no aftercare was taken into consideration, and these stories will be posted later.

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RE: SUB DROP - 5/28/2012 6:02:03 AM   
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Sub Drop once when the eye bolt pulled out of the ceiling beam.


Indeed these accidents happen, and we learn from our own History, these days bolts are usually locking heavy duty , high tension, and we endeavour to avoid this variation of "Sub Drop"

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RE: SUB DROP - 6/3/2012 7:25:31 AM   
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MENTAL PAIN THRESHOLD
ENDORPHINS
Slave / Sub drop is chemical as well as emotional. Your body was pumped up with adrenalin and endorphins and the high lasted for quite some time. When it readjusts, it causes you to crash. It is much like the high of intoxication actually. That hangover really sucks doesn't it? Well, take heart for there are things you can do to fix this and they are small insignificant steps to feeling better too.
Do we consider what happens to our Subs/Slaves after a session?
As a Master of three decades, but even this Master I can be complacent, this Master is predominantly involved with women, so will talk about women, but sub drop effects men also.,
All women are different, with different experiences, different pain levels and needs, and their endorphins differ, the endorphins can be affected by hormone changes even ovulation.
A Master must truly know his sub or slave, most need comforting after a session that has taken them into sub space, the few seek coldness and sadism, this Master has little experience with the later, and fortunately does rarely deal with this attitude or need, this need is quite an isolated one, and this Master is keen to learn more from those who prefer this cold approach after a session.
There are many who prefer to write this Master on his e-mail box on CM, that really is not the spirit of a forum, but there has been a lot of negative off topic dialogue that as put of many who would like to delve deeper, into the topic, this Master will reply to everyone, either on the forum or via mail box.



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RE: SUB DROP - 6/7/2012 5:17:37 AM   
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What are my three slaves reading, or have read once and reading again, a future possible slave wishing to read it, and the last ten days many subs that are trained by this Master are reading it or buying the book or downloading onto the kindle for $5 about GBP3.00p.
This book demonstrates a woman’s mind Well, this is certainly the book which everyone is talking about, this book is extremely sexually explicit!!
What is ideal that certain scenes leave absolutely nothing to the imagination. This Master loves this book, it challenges men , I spoke with a medical professional man who has just realised his female partner has read it, he was muttering ,, quite red faced saying “ I frankly think it should carry a verbal warning on the cover, there are lots of rude words, and I found the whole thing to be crude, filthy and somewhat disgusting to be honest, don't say I didn't warn you, but then again, I know nothing of sex, I am only a Gynaecologist.”
This Master joked, indeed it is women and bdsm you know nothing about, this man reminded this Master of the British Gynaecologist who got sued by his female patient back in 2006 or maybe 2009, she was given multi-orgasms , at least two orgasms, by the randy Gynaecologist in less than two minutes,. Sue him, this woman should have married the clever man, the nurse was standing close by, also but this woman claimed that her reaction was involuntary, the Gynaecologist was known to this Master by name as the Hospital in Droitwhich Spar is just up the Motorway from Masters City,
The woman said her legs were jumping all over the place, what an orgasm, needless to say the case failed, the presence of the chaperone nurse saved the Masters butt, she was paddled and caned later for being such a good girlie, and an excellent chaperone.
So we must accept now that Gynaecologist’s know little about sex, so back to what all these women are reading, Fifty Shades of Grey.
Without spoiling the book for you, the story is basically about a wholesome city girl, just out of college, who falls for this super-rich crazy Looney nutcase control-freak with a big secret, just like this Master but unfortunately is not super rich, all his finances have evaporated on his slaves. . She learns what the secret is , which will not be revealed here obviously and she then has to decide whether she can live with it and have a relationship with him, great stuff, story of this Masters life. Towards the end of the book the interest greatly picks up, with the crazy control-freak seemingly opening up a bit and telling the lady some of the secrets of his past. The graphic and very explicit sex scenes are what the women love, poor Grammar so one would imagine maybe this Master wrote the book, but he did not, but may consider doing so, in the future. There are also volumes II and III , of Fifty Shades of Grey.
Masters one sub read this in 2 days and found it overall entertaining, what a snob this sub is however, she commented that she found herself intensely irritated by the repetitive prose - Holy Moses, Holy Crap, Inner Goddess, Subconscious, not to mention all the running of hands through hair, clenching, tightening, quickening, blushing and bloody lip biting, what a little shit she is , she paid the price for such snobbery. The storyline , a damaged male and an innocent female, some possibilities for a genuine love story and psychological development of characters, want to find out what will happen to Ana and Christian, so read the rest of the trilogy.

Master sub with her nose so high in the hair, and no ring or chain to support it, said that with better editing, more mature prose and a little more rounding of characters, plus less repetitive descriptors in the sexual scenes, as this got too predictable, it could have been a 5 star for her, this Master felt almost has hurt as her bottom felt, he is always accused of writing in a way that needs serious editing, its clear this Master has a future in writing, it is so controversial..

So to recap , Fifty Shades of Grey , for all the leaden, wooden, repetitive, frequently juvenile-sounding prose, and the profoundly un erotic sex scenes, this book Fifty Shades of Grey is so awful that it's brilliant... in an unintentional kind of way. as our `heroine' took one look at Christian Grey's grey eyes (yes, really) and his messy hair, and the way his trousers hang "in that way" (what way?) and literally falls flat on her face in front of him. Clearly smitten by her cute innocence, Christian of the grey eyes, sculptured lips, and spicy scent is soon whipping out his little "foil packets", his riding crops and hand-cuffs, and giving our previously-virginal Ana multiple and seemingly instantaneous orgasms, all of which are "shattering".

Women particularly enjoy, it appears the way Christian manages most of his sexual exploits either fully-dressed (just a quick unzipping and a coy fiddle with a "foil packet") or with his shirt (always white linen) still on, while Ana bit her lip, and breathed `oh my!' for the umpteenth time. Take this Fifty Shades of Grey serious or provide hours of derisive laughter.
So what is this to do with the Topic, a lot really, the orgasms are so intense in Fifty Shades of Grey , there was ample mention to write a iv (fourth) book all about “sub drop” and what is now important, this Master has got some good reading material to read while he is waiting for his slaves or sub to cove out of her LOW…………………………..??


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RE: SUB DROP - 6/7/2012 6:28:40 AM   
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But the question, ray, is, what have you learned from this?

After all, a discussion is shared learning; teaching, another animal.


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RE: SUB DROP - 6/7/2012 7:57:40 AM   
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what have you learned from this?


Do you know we are learning all the time, a good lesson is that we all differ, indeed there are thousands of shades of grey , so what shade am I, what shade are you, or maybe you will say you are a different colour also enjoying many thousands of shades.

As a Master, my methods work with those I love, or choose to engage with, and they reciprocate , since posting on the forum many people men and women have written to me privately, mail box, they fear the public forum, the forum exposes people in both good and bad ways, indeed learning is constant, by the minute, by the hour, by the day, but constant.

One thing has been learnt, time, to write all one wishes to write about , to dialogue with all those one wishes to takes time that can often be stretched, time is maybe the most valuable dimension, certainly Time is the most important resource of life.

As for the Book, the learning from "50 Shades of Grey" is most women adore reading this title.

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RE: SUB DROP - 6/7/2012 8:38:15 AM   
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Who doesnt love chemistry, desire, pulsating electrical touch, even when you know the path might lead you where you know you shouldnt go?

Christain has some pretty good aftercare. More then a blanket. But still dangerous waters THE WALK ON THE DARK SIDE.

We all know we will die, but doesnt seem real when your so alive. But still it will happen. Blasted bloody reality.........blah.......lol!

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RE: SUB DROP - 6/7/2012 9:15:19 AM   
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As for the Book, the learning from "50 Shades of Grey" is most women adore reading this title.


Correction, some ***vanilla*** women are fans; experienced subs not so much: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4060970/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: SUB DROP - 6/7/2012 9:33:22 AM   
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As for the Book, the learning from "50 Shades of Grey" is most women adore reading this title.


Blech. Badly written Twihard fanfiction. I have no interest in reading it.


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RE: SUB DROP - 6/8/2012 12:24:31 AM   
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experienced subs not so much


E.L.James selling one book a second, selling a lot of graphic sex, movie rights sold for US$45 million, yes the author has hit the jackpot.

This book will certainly appeal to all subs, it is pleasing that all women show their fascination, badly written yes, this Master is accused of the same trait, badly written English from our motherland as indeed so is E.L.James who resides in Western London, and was savvy enough to find Russell Perreault in New York, and make her fortune, bless her.

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RE: SUB DROP - 6/8/2012 12:26:14 AM   
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Badly written Twihard fanfiction. I have no interest in reading it


How do you know it is badly written may this Master ask of you, if you can not be bothered reading it.

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RE: SUB DROP - 6/8/2012 12:27:52 AM   
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the path might lead you where you know you shouldnt go


Wonderful, Chatterbox that yellow brick road to a place of mystery and danger, you taste and feel it also.

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