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littlewonder -> RE: need to lose weight (5/29/2012 6:01:15 PM)

I use all oils in very very small moderation including olive oil. If I use it at all it's only to give a bit more flavor to foods. Otherwise I stick to raw, steamed, boiled and baked foods and I have a pan where no oil is needed so the food just slides around and out of the pan.

I'm like nuevavida. All and any fats of any kind in any foods just stick to me instantly. Blah.




NuevaVida -> RE: need to lose weight (5/29/2012 6:11:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I'm like nuevavida. All and any fats of any kind in any foods just stick to me instantly. Blah.




Blah is right! I looooovvvveeee olive oil, too! I do use it, even on veggies (I use it in tiny quantities for grilling them). And I saute chicken in it. But I do need to keep it at very small quantities. Bastard. LOL.



littlewonder -> RE: need to lose weight (5/29/2012 6:21:41 PM)

I know. Me too. It sucks being the type that just looks at foods and gains weight lol. It sucks having to watch every teeny tiny little thing you eat for the rest of your life because you're predisposed to extremely easy weight gain.

I'm jealous of Master. He doesn't have those problems. He can eat anything and not gain weight.



Soyokaze -> RE: need to lose weight (5/29/2012 7:10:58 PM)

I use olive oil when I cook but just a teaspoon or two in an otherwise nonstick pan. I don't eat a lot generally though. Especially now that some migraine medicine I'm taking tanked my appetite I'm actually getting too thin for the first time in my life : ( (usually I have a hard time keeping my weight low).



ProlificNeeds -> RE: need to lose weight (5/29/2012 8:56:59 PM)

I haven't read all the replies yet but, as someone needing to lose some more poundage, but having already lost some, I'll share.
"Burn the fat, feed the muscle"

It was the greatest book I'd ever read, not because it had any super secrets, but because it made me understand the inner functions of my body more clearly, not just how to make it shed pounds, but why it does what it does. There was no more mystery and guess work. I used what it taught me, and by maintaining my calorie intake and creating calorie defeciet through increased cardio workouts, I lost one pound every week as long as I kept it up.

Sad part is, I didn't keep it up, life got in the way and I stopped my high intensity interval training, but I know with confidence the formula that works for me to lose weight in a healthy way and keep it off. (All the pounds I lost 6 months ago have not come back.)

Also, I do have health issue which make me prone to keeping my weight or even gaining it, so for this book to have lead me to a winning formula so easily is saying something. However using it's methods does require reading, and macro-nutrient management, and keeping a bit of a food journal.

On the matter of walking though, do it every day, or at least 5 days a week, and keep walking further, faster, until you feel up to jogging for 1 minute, then two.. always push your body to -more- activity, and you'll find exercising becomes a far more effective tool. If your level of fitness platueas, so will your weight.



LadyConstanze -> RE: need to lose weight (5/29/2012 8:57:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Btw olive oil is not a fat, it actually helps you to lose weight.

That has not been my experience at all. I do use olive oil (and typically no other type of oil) because I think it's the healthiest one out there, but it acts like a fat in my body, and has not aided me in the weight I have lost. I use it in very small quantities now.


Strange, every doctor and nutritionist told me that a sufficient amount of good oils (which are very different from fats) in important for a healthy metabolism and also to avoid depression. If you cut out fat completely from a diet, the majority of people will suffer from depression. There are a few good oils, I take my fish oil daily quite religiously...



NuevaVida -> RE: need to lose weight (5/29/2012 9:45:51 PM)



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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Strange, every doctor and nutritionist told me that a sufficient amount of good oils (which are very different from fats) in important for a healthy metabolism and also to avoid depression. If you cut out fat completely from a diet, the majority of people will suffer from depression. There are a few good oils, I take my fish oil daily quite religiously...

Here's a short yet pretty informative article from the Mayo Clinic on olive oil.

I wonder if by "fat" you are thinking animal fat? Oils are considered fats, just a different kind of fat (monounsaturated fatty acids).

I'm in no way cutting all fat from my diet, but for someone needing/wanting to lose a significant amount of weight like I did, watching all kinds of fat intake is important. Like littlewonder, I am very sensitive to weight gain, despite how often and how hard I work out, and I will have to pay attention to everything I eat for the rest of my life if I want to sustain the loss, including plant derived fats (oils, nuts, avocados, etc.).

This is a more extensive article with a very long reference/resource list, which talks all about olive oil and it's health benefits. The benefits are numerous but I didn't see anything listed regarding depression or metabolism.

However, something to keep in mind is when reading about the benefits of olive oil, the authors are typically speaking of a "serving", which is a tablespoon. In the U.S., however, we tend to exponentially increase recommended serving sizes while eating, so a serving of olive oil to your average Joe might mean dipping an entire baguette into a bowl of oil (1/3 to 1/2 a cup) until it's gone. Yummy, but certainly not healthy! [8D]



LadyConstanze -> RE: need to lose weight (5/30/2012 12:19:14 AM)

I know the difference between saturated and unsaturated fats, unsaturated fats (the "good oils") are essential for our well being, doesn't mean that you have to drench everything in olive oil or other unsaturated fats, just make sure you have a sufficient amount in your diet. Not having enough of the unsaturated essential oils in your diet will actually slow your metabolism down. I gain weight far too easy and was always doing the calorie counting, decided to give the advise of a nutritionist a try and started including more avocado (previously a rare treat) and lots of fatty fish and more olive and sesame oil into my diet. Within a few weeks I went from a size 6 to a size 2, wasn't hungry, had tons more energy - I didn't lose a lot of weight, but my whole body tightened up. By cutting out the "good oils" I basically made some of the protein that was in my diet unusable. Again, I don't drench food in olive oil, but I stopped treating any type of oil as a mortal enemy and I just use small amounts, eat nuts and avocado almost every day, something I previously didn't do due to the fat content. I'm surprised how my metabolism reacted, seems like it went on turbo burn now and I actually have cravings for the right carbs. I actually had to whimper and complain to Peon the other day that I'm getting a six pack (something that I do not find very feminine or attractive on a woman) and I'm not even doing more abs exercises, still only 10 minutes a day with the good old exercise wheel ($4.99 at TKMaxx) http://www.unique-bodyweight-exercises.com/ab-wheel-rollout.html



kalikshama -> RE: need to lose weight (5/30/2012 3:50:40 PM)

Ya, I'm on the "fat is a mortal enemy" side of the pendulum at the moment and I hope I can swing back into moderation soon but the biggest change I made in my diet was drastically reducing olive oil and nuts, which is working.

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By cutting out the "good oils" I basically made some of the protein that was in my diet unusable.


Do you have a link for this or was it in one of the links above?



LadyConstanze -> RE: need to lose weight (5/31/2012 11:29:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Ya, I'm on the "fat is a mortal enemy" side of the pendulum at the moment and I hope I can swing back into moderation soon but the biggest change I made in my diet was drastically reducing olive oil and nuts, which is working.

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By cutting out the "good oils" I basically made some of the protein that was in my diet unusable.


Do you have a link for this or was it in one of the links above?



Not a link, seeing the nutritionist of Sinai Cedars, a friend had a transplant and it's important that his diet complies with the meds he's taking (there's a lot of stuff that slows down or speeds up how meds are absorbed) and he has to watch his weight very very closely, the nutritionist went with me through the food I give him (regular process for the care taker) and he said cooking from scratch and using chicken and fish is great, but said he would like me to use more unsaturated fats and "good oils" and that omega-3 is essential, a lot of the meds he's on have side effects that cause mood swings and depression, he explained that omega-3 helps a lot with that and should be part of every diet and that it actually helps a lot with a healthy metabolism. I found it really interesting and ended up being invited for a coffee (actually he was surprised about how much I knew about heart related stuff and wondered why - could have just asked flat out and I could have told him my thesis was about medical English and the perfect way for a cardiology clinic to acquire an unpaid translator slave under the guise of me working on a PhD), so he had the break with me, told him about the exercises I do with my friend, that I got him cycling by being ahead of him on inline skates and wearing very tiny shorts (he cracked up laughing and said "sneaky but effective") and I moaned about my slow metabolism, so we talked about what I eat - essentially very healthy but not enough "good oils" according to him and he suggested avocados, fatty fish like mackerel and said it would be good for my friend too. I started making fish twice a week and using olive or flax oil in moderation instead of trying to use as little as possible or none, and my friend and I both noticed how we toned up (same exercises but we felt more energetic) and I've been moaning and groaning about the fact that I am getting a six-pack, which I don't find particularly attractive or desirable in a woman. I was laughing when the nutritionist said if it works I have to go to dinner with him - now I can just hope that he picks a nice place.

The only difference in the cooking was really more omega-3 and the occasion - careful - addition from one of the lists of healthy oils he gave me and cutting out butter completely, also margarine.

Googled, pretty much what he said, flaxseed is best, then olive oil (killer combination with fish and a fat burner but don't overdo the oil, just don't try to cut it out completely) and then canola. http://math.ucsd.edu/~ebender/Health%20&%20Nutrition/Nutrition/oil_good.html

Not sure if it works for everybody, worked for my friend and me though.



kalikshama -> RE: need to lose weight (6/1/2012 6:58:02 PM)

Thanks!

I've pretty much eliminated butter and am trying to ease olive oil and fish oil back in. I've bought so many flax oils that never got finished before they went bad so am leery but might try again...that or get some whole flax seeds and grind them.



LadyConstanze -> RE: need to lose weight (6/13/2012 5:57:43 AM)

I just found a good article on the Guardian today about why the weight of the general population has increased so dramatically, found it quite interesting

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/why-our-food-is-making-us-fat?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038



kalikshama -> RE: need to lose weight (6/13/2012 10:08:38 AM)

Good article! (Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma" delves into this in depth.)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/why-our-food-is-making-us-fat?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

...Why are we so fat? We have not become greedier as a race. We are not, contrary to popular wisdom, less active – a 12-year study, which began in 2000 at Plymouth hospital, measured children's physical activity and found it the same as 50 years ago. But something has changed: and that something is very simple. It's the food we eat. More specifically, the sheer amount of sugar in that food, sugar we're often unaware of.

The story begins in 1971. Richard Nixon was facing re-election. The Vietnam war was threatening his popularity at home, but just as big an issue with voters was the soaring cost of food. If Nixon was to survive, he needed food prices to go down, and that required getting a very powerful lobby on board – the farmers. Nixon appointed Earl Butz, an academic from the farming heartland of Indiana, to broker a compromise. Butz, an agriculture expert, had a radical plan that would transform the food we eat, and in doing so, the shape of the human race.

Butz pushed farmers into a new, industrial scale of production, and into farming one crop in particular: corn. US cattle were fattened by the immense increases in corn production. Burgers became bigger. Fries, fried in corn oil, became fattier. Corn became the engine for the massive surge in the quantities of cheaper food being supplied to American supermarkets: everything from cereals, to biscuits and flour found new uses for corn. As a result of Butz's free-market reforms, American farmers, almost overnight, went from parochial small-holders to multimillionaire businessmen with a global market. One Indiana farmer believes that America could have won the cold war by simply starving the Russians of corn. But instead they chose to make money....



AVegasMaster -> RE: need to loose weight (6/24/2012 8:59:45 PM)

Swimming is almost a perfect exercise. The key is always to expend more calories than you take in.



DesFIP -> RE: need to loose weight (6/24/2012 9:11:38 PM)

Yes, we need about 20 to 30% of oils/fats in our diets. But unless you're a vegan, you get that from meat, fish, dairy and eggs. Egg yolks naturally have fat, you don't need to fry them in two tablespoons of butter.

People are talking about giving up adding fats which brings the percentage up to even higher.



Southbigdaddy -> RE: need to loose weight (6/29/2012 11:36:25 AM)

Take it slow, crash diets are bad for you, and the most weight I have seen anyone lose and keep off was after they bought a Wii fit and played the games with their children, its surprising how much you can burn playing the games on there and it gives you targets to hit. It also makes it more about fun than the serious issue of losing weight. Also just buy the low calorie versions of everything, just checking the back of your jars can save hundreds of calories for the same meal.

Good luck.

Bill



littlewonder -> RE: need to loose weight (6/29/2012 12:40:14 PM)

You need to do more than just look at the calorie count on a package. I would suggest taking a nutrition class if you don't know even the basics of a healthy diet.

Most gyms these days offer one usually about once a month or so and is relatively cheap or even free.




TNDommeK -> RE: need to loose weight (6/29/2012 2:34:18 PM)


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Start jogging. Go slow, go at your own pace, but start doing it.
My personal trainer finally convinced me that all the machines in the world are no substitute for running. It is the one exercise that convinces your body to release fat. This is from a strength trainer! And he is right, I have only been running for a short while, and I am VERY slow, but i am finally losing that 30 day food supply I have been carrying on my ass and thighs for years. Plus it feels great and is completely addictive.
If your goal is to be more fit, not just lose weight, running is the way to do it. Coupled with strength training, you won't even recognize yourself in a few months.



This.^ I have started jogging and running in intervals and it has been awesome. I love running, love it. I run every night due to heat. But it is awesome.



MariaB -> RE: need to loose weight (7/1/2012 3:31:45 AM)

What you have to ask yourself is, are you eating from hunger?' When you have cake after you just finished a main meal, are you having that cake because you are starving?
I don't have a weight problem and the reason for this is, I have never been a big fan of food! I eat when I am hungry and stop eating when I'm no longer hungry. Food is a necessity and not an addiction.
Remember, weight puts strain on the heart and so jumping straight into exercise without having a check up first, isn't a good idea.
Walking places less strain on your body and joints than running does. I come from a long line of runners and all of them oldies in my family have arthritic knees. Whilst running is a good CV exercise its not something I would recommend to someone who is over weight because of the impact it will put on the already stressed joints.
Power walking and hill walking burns as many calories as light jogging but the impact on joints is far less because you will always have one foot on the ground. Cycling and swimming is also low impact.






farglebargle -> RE: need to loose weight (7/2/2012 5:57:13 AM)

First, let me apologize for being late to this party. I hang out on P&R mostly, and didn't see this thread.

First off. The BEST vanilla reference I've seen for information and support is reddit's loseit subreddit http://www.reddit.com/r/loseit

They have a FAQ http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/loseit on the sidebar. Start by reading all that.

Then consider this. EVERY SINGLE 'DIET' OUT THERE FAILS TO PROVIDE ASSESSMENT AND FEEDBACK FREQUENTLY ENOUGH TO BE EFFECTIVE.

That's why people yo-yo diet and have issues with sustainability.

Another thing to keep in mind. Weight Management is 80% diet management / 20% activity management.

You **CANNOT** out-exercise a bad diet, which doesn't provide for a net-caloric balance to begin with.

Stats: -93.6 lbs in 202 days. (-0.46 lbs/day ) No calorie counting. No carb counting. No weight watchers. No stress.



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