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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 6:36:57 PM

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I would ask you a few questions though: Why is it nessecary to compete? What are we competing for? Money? Power? Prestige?

In the end, when we die (and it DOES happen to all of us), none of those things matter. Do you want to be remembered as a loving, caring person that looked out for the well being of others, a champion of those who couldent stand up for themselves? Or would you rather be remembered as a rich person, as a person that didnt care for the struggles of others, didnt care who they hurt as long as they got what they wanted?

My issue with the world at large is that most people do not see that there IS another way. Greed is a superficial emotion, driven by petty insecurity. Money has no value except what WE place on it. Production and progress are the very nature of mankind, they need no external stimuli. We were not ment to live like this, enslaved to our employers through debt and the need of money.

Open your eyes! The world is NOT what was intended to be. It was not intended to be filled with hateful creatures that enslave and harm each other for no reason other than their own selfishness and insecurity. We can produce enough food to feed the entire world several times over. There is enough land and resources to house those without homes We can communicate with people anywhere on the face of the Earth. We do not need the system we live in now, unless we are evil and hateful creatures. We can do so much better than this.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 7:00:04 PM

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Sounds like you are talking about a resource based economy?

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 7:10:38 PM

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No, no a resource based economy, but an economy based on need instead of profit, where we work with each other instead of for each other. This has been possible for over a century now, why are we going the other way?

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:21:28 PM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-outsourcing-depresses-wages_n_1573885.html

Another reason our economy has gone to hell

Hmmmm....I wonder why it is that WalMart is the (World's) most successful retailer?

(Could it be that the bulk of America is shopping there?).

Nawwwwwwww......

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:26:59 PM

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I said what I meant. Interpret it any way you like. In any case we are going down together, so I guess the smart and educated are fucked too. That should appeal to your sense of egalitarism

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And yet "patriotic Americans" keep shopping at Walmart. This country probably deserves what is happening to it.

It appears that you are saying that the stupid and the ignorant deserve to be fucked?

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:51:42 PM

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No, no a resource based economy, but an economy based on need instead of profit, where we work with each other instead of for each other. This has been possible for over a century now, why are we going the other way?

You of course realize that America is a Capitalistic country right?

Check out the TOP 10 Disadvantages of Capitalism.
Top 10 Disadvantages of Capitalism

YSG, this country has been on a very slippery slope for a long time, and is going downhill at a slow but moderate pace.

I know you don't expect greedy, soulless, corporate bastards to care about anything other than the bottom line, do you?

Many of the well paying jobs need to be outsourced, than for the jobs that remain, the goal YSG, is to get the workers as close to being slaves as possible!

Have you not heard the MANY stories, about 50 job openings, and 1000 people applying for them?

Do you ever wonder why so many turn a blind eye to illegal immigration?
If there was anyway to legalize slavery, I am pretty sure most corporate leaders would be thrilled.

Oh I digress, that is why we have outsourced millions of jobs to 3rd world countries!

List of companies that have outsourced American jobs

If you can't see what is going on, and has happened to this country, you just don't want to see.

At this time, the situation for many people is getting worse not better.

Many people that want to be "honest" realize that "over-all" the current generation has it FAR WORSE than the previous generation.

To be honest, at this time, it is pretty much a matter of "waiting"......
The revolution will be televised.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 8:55:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: YSG
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-outsourcing-depresses-wages_n_1573885.html

Another reason our economy has gone to hell

meh.. that is nothing compared to what your own govts do.. your own friggin govt is killing American jobs just as much, if not more.. and its only going to increase with more and more prison slaves working for less than what a worker in China would get paid..

The Pentagon and Slave Labor in U.S. Prisons
Prisoners earning 23 cents an hour in U.S. federal prisons are manufacturing high-tech electronic components for Patriot Advanced Capability 3 missiles, launchers for TOW (Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided) anti-tank missiles, and other guided missile systems. A March article by journalist and financial researcher Justin Rohrlich of World in Review is worth a closer look at the full implications of this ominous development. (minyanville.com)
The expanding use of prison industries, which pay slave wages, as a way to increase profits for giant military corporations, is a frontal attack on the rights of all workers.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25376

NEARLY 1 MILLION PRISONERS WORKING FOR FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES FOR SLAVE WAGES
The Corrections Corporation of America and G4S (formerly Wackenhut), two prison privatizers, sell inmate labor at subminimum wages to Fortune 500 corporations like Chevron, Bank of America, AT&T, and IBM.
These companies can, in most states, lease factories in prisons or prisoners to work on the outside. All told, nearly a million prisoners are now making office furniture, working in call centers, fabricating body armor, taking hotel reservations, working in slaughterhouses, or manufacturing textiles, shoes, and clothing, while getting paid somewhere between 93 cents and $4.73 per day.
http://current.com/community/93783079_nearly-1-million-prisoners-working-for-fortune-500-companies-for-slave-wages.htm

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 9:01:52 PM

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here is a chart on the increase in US prison population (btw, Canada does not have a slave labor program for prisoners..)

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 9:11:40 PM

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/walmart-outsourcing-depresses-wages_n_1573885.html
Another reason our economy has gone to hell

I am so happy to see a thread related to outsourcing.

Now check this out, I am going to throw up a few of my FAVORITE outsourcing links!

The first one is called "Bye Bye Ms. American Pie/how outsourcing is tantamount to Slavery" by Norma Sherry.

Bye Bye Ms.American Pie/How Outsourcing is Tantamount to Slavery

Here is another good one, I tend to like the titles of her articles also.
Once Upon A Time in America

Both of these articles are short, enjoy!
I stumbled upon Norma Sherry's articles on outsourcing about 9 years ago, and they still ring true to me.

< Message edited by Marini -- 6/7/2012 9:26:38 PM >

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 9:22:17 PM

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here is a chart on the increase in US prison population (btw, Canada does not have a slave labor program for prisoners..)

That's fascinating.

We've gone from (essentially) why people shouldn't shop at WalMart to the prison population in the US since the 70's.

I'm fairly certain I haven't seen a more abrupt right turn segue' on a CM topic previously.

(I believe I need to re-read this post at least 9,000 times to get the exact transition point with more clarity).

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 9:32:43 PM

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That's fascinating.

We've gone from (essentially) why people shouldn't shop at WalMart to the prison population in the US since the 70's.

I'm fairly certain I haven't seen a more abrupt right turn segue' on a CM topic previously.

(I believe I need to re-read this post at least 9,000 times to get the exact transition point with more clarity).

Lookie you are so funny.. the topic was about the US economy going to hell.. the govt increasing the prison slave labor for mega-corps is one of those reasons.. Walmart was doing the same thing in the article,.. except they werent using prison labor for that so actually paying them much more than what prison slaves get paid.. There is not just one reason for the US economy being in the tank either, is there?..

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 9:41:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: YSG

No, no a resource based economy, but an economy based on need instead of profit, where we work with each other instead of for each other. This has been possible for over a century now, why are we going the other way?

You of course realize that America is a Capitalistic country right?

Check out the TOP 10 Disadvantages of Capitalism.
Top 10 Disadvantages of Capitalism

YSG, this country has been on a very slippery slope for a long time, and is going downhill at a slow but moderate pace.

I know you don't expect greedy, soulless, corporate bastards to care about anything other than the bottom line, do you?

Many of the well paying jobs need to be outsourced, than for the jobs that remain, the goal YSG, is to get the workers as close to being slaves as possible!

Have you not heard the MANY stories, about 50 job openings, and 1000 people applying for them?

Do you ever wonder why so many turn a blind eye to illegal immigration?
If there was anyway to legalize slavery, I am pretty sure most corporate leaders would be thrilled.

Oh I digress, that is why we have outsourced millions of jobs to 3rd world countries!

List of companies that have outsourced American jobs

If you can't see what is going on, and has happened to this country, you just don't want to see.

At this time, the situation for many people is getting worse not better.

Many people that want to be "honest" realize that "over-all" the current generation has it FAR WORSE than the previous generation.

To be honest, at this time, it is pretty much a matter of "waiting"......
The revolution will be televised.

Marini, I am a Maoist, which is an updated form of Marxism (yes, the philosophy that throws conservatives into seizures). I know all too well the problems with capitalism, and the need to replace it with something better. If you would like, I can share some literature with you.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 9:50:46 PM

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Marini, I am a Maoist, which is an updated form of Marxism (yes, the philosophy that throws conservatives into seizures). I know all too well the problems with capitalism, and the need to replace it with something better. If you would like, I can share some literature with you.

I would appreciate whatever you can share with me.
I am in total agreement, that we "need" something BETTER!

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/7/2012 10:09:51 PM

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Marini, you have cmail

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/8/2012 9:31:04 AM

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I am a Maoist, which is an updated form of Marxism (yes, the philosophy that throws conservatives into seizures). I know all too well the problems with capitalism, and the need to replace it with something better. If you would like, I can share some literature with you.

Based on that statement of your political philosophy above and other statements you have made on this thread I would infer that you would prefer a Maoist type of slavery over the capitalist type.

I myself prefer the capitalist type. At least we have air conditioning, fast cars and hot lookin babes in bikinis. Under Mao the Chinese didn't fair so well. No AC, fish heads and rice for breakfast lunch and dinner, 2 wheeled carts, and their hot babes had to wear olive green pajamas with those stupid Mao hats.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/8/2012 9:35:46 AM

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Marini, you have cmail

What needs aren't being met? Who's needs aren't being met?

I'm going to be starting a new thread for this discussion so as to not divert this thread too much more. I'm going to name it "Needs vs. Wants."

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/8/2012 9:37:54 AM

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Marini, I am a Maoist, which is an updated form of Marxism (yes, the philosophy that throws conservatives into seizures). I know all too well the problems with capitalism, and the need to replace it with something better. If you would like, I can share some literature with you.

You cannot be serious or you are the worst informed person I've ever encontered.

Mao was a vicious little thug who tried his best to wipe out 4 thousand years of culture and tried to replace it with his own insane vision. To top it off he exported his views to the Khmer Rouge and the Shining Path who proceeded to kill tens of thousands in the name of Mao.

All Mao managed to do, besides rack up an astonishing body count, was install a government that is top to bottom corrupt and that seems to only continue to exist to perpetrate the corruption for which it stands.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/8/2012 2:38:09 PM

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Based on that statement of your political philosophy above and other statements you have made on this thread I would infer that you would prefer a Maoist type of slavery over the capitalist type.

I myself prefer the capitalist type. At least we have air conditioning, fast cars and hot lookin babes in bikinis. Under Mao the Chinese didn't fair so well. No AC, fish heads and rice for breakfast lunch and dinner, 2 wheeled carts, and their hot babes had to wear olive green pajamas with those stupid Mao hats.

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I have a basic rudimentary knowledge of Maoism.
I have refreshed myself on the basic components, but have yet to do further reading.

Personally, I would love to see the United States adapt a system very similar to the Canadian model of Capitalism AND Socialism.

Who knows what THE answer is?

The main issue is, many, many, people don't trust, believe in or even like the current system, climate, or policies in the United States.

Many, Democrats, Republicans, Moderates and Independents are not thrilled with either party these days.

When enough people get tired and decide to really start doing something to change it, many of us believe that the system WILL be changed.

I don't happen to have a crystal ball handy, so I don't know how or when "it" will happen, nor "what" the changes will be.

At this time, I am satisfied in believing that eventually CHANGE is going to happen.

PEACE

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/8/2012 2:54:34 PM

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At this time, I am satisfied in believing that eventually CHANGE is going to happen.

PEACE

Of course it will happen. When all our unsustainable debt comes due that we can't pay including entitlements, pensions and all the rest of it, the shit will hit the fan.

It will change for better or worse.....take your pick.

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RE: Wal-Mart driving down wages - 6/8/2012 3:11:53 PM

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Of course it will happen. When all our unsustainable debt comes due that we can't pay including entitlements, pensions and all the rest of it, the shit will hit the fan.

It will change for better or worse.....take your pick.

We both know it will be "better" for some, and "worse" for others.

I rather think along the lines of, easier for some to adjust to the "changes", faster than others.

We have been on the downward path for years, it's getting worse and worse and worse.
We are on the path to 3rd world status, even without any national health care.

At least we agree, that some sort of "Change" is going to happen.

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