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Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:09:28 AM

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Oral sex involves giving or receiving oral stimulation (sucking or licking) to the penis, the vagina, and/or the anus (Fellatio, cunnilingus, anilingus - sometimes called "rimming").

Ok… that’s basic basics. My question is – after discussions with various people who participate in said practise – who here practises ‘safe sex’ whilst giving or receiving? On the assumption that most adults are reasonably informed on the risks of sexual intercourse – I was interested on people’s perceptions on the risk of STDS via Oral sex. Do people use condoms and dental dams? Do people understand the theoretical risks of infection? (I would like to hear from people who participate in open play as well as those in committed relationships and it would help if you could confirm which section you belong in)

Wasn’t sure if should put this in general or in H&S – so trusting the Mods will help if I posted in the wrong place.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:13:25 AM

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My slave/wife and I don't use any protection. We don't need to. It seems like it would almost be pointless to engage in oral sex with condoms or dental dams. I'm happy we don't have to.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:16:43 AM

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Well, when I was with Chris, though we often would 'play' with others, there was never any sex with others; oral or otherwise. However, if we had decided on a different course for us, I know for a fact that I would have opted for the protected side. I would like to say that Chris, without a doubt would have done the same; we often talked about this and he always said he would; but I could not make such a statement with 100% assurance.

Good question, and one that I am sure alot do not think about in depth.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:17:09 AM

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If someone chooses to use condoms or dental dams with me during oral sex, I'm ok with that completely.

I however, do not require it. And yes, I educated myself and understood the risks (the pre-cum, the mouth sores, the life span of the diseases, all that) before making that choice and considered it to be an acceptable risk. I also make sure my sexual partners are aware of this before we have sex as well.

I also don't swallow.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:21:41 AM

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If this is too personal a question Em, then just don't respond - but do you not swallow because you do not like to (personal preference) or do you chose not to because of the theoretical risks?

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:42:18 AM

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but do you not swallow because you do not like to (personal preference) or do you chose not to because of the theoretical risks?

The risks absolutely.

I'd adore having semen in me- anally, vaginally or orally. But it doesn't happen.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:45:43 AM

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Personally, I do not use protection during oral sex..either with women or men that I engage is sex with. I have weighed the risks many times..and have come to the conclusion there is risk there, of course..but minimal.

I have been in both monogamous and just sex relationships..and have not changed how I do this. I do not swallow if I don't know the person well enough to feel totally safe in this area. From what I have read though.. that does not cut any danger out..it's just a personal preference that I have.

I am also tested regularly..and try to make sure any partners I am with are also. I guess to some degree though.. unless you see a piece of paper..and know they for sure are honest with you.. there is a always a touch of blind trust involved.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:59:05 AM

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I have unprotected oral sex with my Owner, but also with some of our play partners. With the play partners, we know (have seen proof) they are disease free, and we are also the only couple they play with in a sexual way, so we know they aren't picking things up from other play partners.

I imagine if the Owner ever chose for me to give oral to someone we didn't know that well, protection would be used.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 12:05:36 PM

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I insisted my partner was tested before we had any contact beyond kissing. I've gone to the clinic with way too many friends, and it's probably made me paranoid and hypersensitive, but my stance is better safe than sorry.

Though, I think anyone who is engaging with multiple partners who are engaging with more partners still, testing would be a waste of time. Testing only really makes sense when you're sure the people being tested are not having sex with others. Otherwise, the results you see aren't reliable, IMO.

I often wish I were born into the security that was there for past generations, where the STDs that circulated were curable. since I can't make that my reality, I choose to be involved with just one partner, insist on testing and then move on without feeling the need to use protection.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 1:12:02 PM

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I insist on blood tests and more than one because as I understand this, AIDS can have a gestation period of as much as 6 mos. before showing up on a test. However, it is also my understanding that oral sex by a woman on a man and with semen, is the least likely of all sex to contract any STD. Same with a man performing oral sex on a woman, unless there are any exposed blood vessels, which should not happen but could.

Given a clean bill of health with several tests...the consumation of semen orally offers no chance of transmitting AIDS. AIDS is STRICKLY a blood-borne desease and must 'hit' the blood stream (open vessel) to be contracted.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 1:13:21 PM

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I make no assumptions that another adult keep themselves informed about communiciable diseases; I especially don't assume that they're as stringent as I am about not indulging My sexuality in an anonymous or casual manner.
The tenets of My House are too strict for most people that can see the benefits of being a member of a poly-fidelity House. Initial testing for STD's by labwork and physical exams. No exceptions!
We also require that any that are seeking to enter service be tested for Tuberculosis since that disease is making a resurgence into the American population. World travel goes both ways, the coming and going from areas that have infectious diseases found fairly commonplace in their populations is a reason for great concern.
   Those that, I would allow or permit to "play" with us have too be disease free, can prove it, and maintain a strict regimen of personal interactions that closely follows My dictates. Anyone that frequents "glory holes", swinger clubs, public bathrooms, parks, alleyways etc for their baser needs are not acceptable play partners if they don't practice as I preach.
Failing to maintain a strict regimen of behaviour is cause for the offender to be excluded for a minimum of six months, undergo further testings and exams, and passing them before being considered for renewed membership. If a treatable disease os contracted by them, they must undergo the full treatment regimen, have negative lab results and their doctors okay before rejoining us.
Fluid exchanges give the highest chances for infections; yes, that does mean that the white hot cutey with the big boobs and eager asscheeks may have infected you when you allowed her too orally service you. I know, Brother Clinton doesn't consider that sex, but, I have a couple of decades on him and I decided longago that any act that made Me weak in the knees, is a sexual act. lol
    I'll only touch on the modes of transmission; oral, anal, vaginal, methods can transmit bacterium, viruses, and as an aside, HPV or Veneral Warts are becoming more common findings when examining females for positive cancer markers from a PAP smear. HIV and syphilis are out pacing gonorrhea, but some cock hungry people aren't able to see the danger of munchin' in or on a strangers crotch offerings.
Condoms are anathema to Me, I detest the things and if I had to use them because, I wasn't sure of someones physical health, I'd keep My pee pee in my pants and out of hot holes or eager mouths.
   Preaching to adults sometimes causes them to resent the info;, but, I'm not strong enough to resist the urge to fulfill My vocation, of informing the unwary, uninformed and even the illmannered ones that resent discovering that they might be part of the problem with the pandemics that are just waiting for a few more fools to spread the "news" via their crotches.
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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

Oral sex involves giving or receiving oral stimulation (sucking or licking) to the penis, the vagina, and/or the anus (Fellatio, cunnilingus, anilingus - sometimes called "rimming").

Ok… that’s basic basics. My question is – after discussions with various people who participate in said practise – who here practises ‘safe sex’ whilst giving or receiving? On the assumption that most adults are reasonably informed on the risks of sexual intercourse – I was interested on people’s perceptions on the risk of STDS via Oral sex. Do people use condoms and dental dams? Do people understand the theoretical risks of infection? (I would like to hear from people who participate in open play as well as those in committed relationships and it would help if you could confirm which section you belong in)

Wasn’t sure if should put this in general or in H&S – so trusting the Mods will help if I posted in the wrong place.

Peace and Rapture

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 1:56:40 PM

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Safe sex practices say a condom is needed for oral. From what I read, it is "unknown" that HIV may be transmitted through semen or precome through the linings of the mouth. If there are openings like minute scratches after teeth brushing it could enter that way. Other diseases like Hepatitus can be transmitted through the linings. As for dental dams, it would be the same since the disease could be present in the woman's fluid. I have read that plastic wrap could be used, but I wonder since plastic has varying levels of porosity if something like a thin film would work or a freezer bag is needed.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 2:11:41 PM

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If I have been with my partner for awhile then no we never use protection. Being that I am single now I do take that extra step with having a dental dam / condom [or go to the kitchen and get plastic wrap].
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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 2:44:59 PM

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I don't use protection when licking pussy or sucking cock. I enjoy the taste and don't want anything in the way of that. But, I won't play with anyone who isn't clean!!

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/7/2006 11:29:18 PM

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Safe sex practices say a condom is needed for oral.

So you put a condom on your penis then give oral sex? What good does that do? Joking! Joking!

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/8/2006 5:51:38 AM

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i am very careful about disease. Will not have any sexual contact without protection until i know it is a monogamous safe relationship and disease free.
my feeling there is that i have children who need me and theses days and times there is diseases out there that could shorten my time on earth with them. That is a chance i am not willing to take.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/8/2006 6:09:44 AM

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My Master and I don't use protection with each other, but we've been with each other for the past 13 years and have not had any other sexual partners, so it's not necessary.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/8/2006 6:09:53 AM

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my husDom and i are in a totally mono relationship so do not use any protection. W/we play with others, but do not engage in sexual activity with them so there is no worries in that respect.
One of the main reasons that we do not engage in sexual play with others is the disease factor. the lab tests showing someone is clean is only good on the day they were tested. if they had multiple partners in sex since the test, something could have changed and we aren't willing to take that risk.
this is just our opinion and the way we choose to keep safe.
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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/8/2006 8:30:50 AM

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I'm mildly allergic to latex, so I can't use most forms of protection (except naturally the REALLY expensive stuff). My partner and I were both clear when we got together and when I play with others I play with friends I trust not to lie about being clean.

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RE: Oral Sex - Protected or Unprotected? - 6/9/2006 4:46:25 PM

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I am old enough to have played wildly in the old pre-HIV days, when protection was mostly concerned with birth control and thus it was thought not needed for oral sex.

Those days are long gone.

Any activity which may expose a person to mingle body fluids of another internally is a hazard. This includes oral sex, no matter which partner is of what gender. The hazards of giving oral sex are greater than those found in receiving oral attention, but hazards still exist.

Some body fluids have much greater risk of transmitting STD's than others. Saliva is low risk, urine is medium risk as are most vaginal fluids. Menstrual fluids, semen, and anal fluids have a relatively high risk.

I have seen folks get STD's from "safe clean partners" too often to take risks.

Thus unless I am fluid bonded with a tested partner, any sexual exchange will need to be a protected one.

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