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subrob1967 -> RE: AG Holder Hides Behind Obama's Skirt (6/24/2012 5:34:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Owner59
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ORIGINAL: seeks2beused
Let me see if I have the arguments straight here. We have one side that has determined that Republicans are evil, lying fucks, and this is all the fault of Bush because his administration ran a similar operation. The other side seems to have determined that Democrats are evil, lying fucks and that because the dems didn't automatically turn over a warehouse worth of paperwork they must be hiding something.
Now here is my understanding of what happened. The BATFE office in Arizona ran a operation that allowed known straw buyers to complete purchases of guns and allowed those guns to "walk" across the US-Mexican border with the hope of connecting the guns to people in the drug cartels. This was executed at least poorly, and has resulted in at least one American death and an unknown number of Mexican deaths.
During the course of an investigation(witch hunt or not) Congress was sent a letter stating that no such operation or actions had been undertaken by anyone connected to the DOJ. This letter had to be retracted because it was not true.
The big questions that no one seems to want to answer are who wrote the letter that was sent to Congress, and who authorized and oversaw Fat and Furious.
Unless Holder was involved, or at least briefed in on Fast and Furious, I am astounded that someone in the Obama Administration has not followed standard political procedure and tossed the lowest ranking person possible under the bus to take the blame for all this.
Whether Obama or Holder even knew about this beforehand, by invoking Executive Privilege, it now appears as if there is something to hide, and now Obama has taken ownership of this mess.
And from what I can see, at least some of those document would not be covered because they would relate to the letter sent to Congress. Until at least that is cleared up, as well as who authorized the Fast and Furious program(which involved breaking US laws, and probably international ones as well) there are still questions related to misconduct that will void any attempt at Executive Privilege.
Does anyone else find the fact that the President's claim of Executive Privilege falls so close to the anniversary of Watergate? Can you say "Irony?"
Not quite.
It wasn`t a similar program....it was the same program.There are literally thousand of programs that don`t end and/or begin with each admin.Especially at the beginning of a new admin.
The lies are:
1.That this was an Obama hatched plan that went wrong,therefor he`s hiding something.
It was a legit law enforcement operation that had a tragedy....it happens in law enforcement.Literally hundreds of men and women are killed in the line of duty every year.What the cons are trying to do through innuendo and spin,is abuse this tragedy for their own politics.Not out of concern for the men and women who enforce our laws.
2. That the gun found near the dead agent was the one that killed him.There is no evidence,ballistic or otherwise that the gun found near the agent was the one that killed him.Just an accusation that it was.
There were multiple weapons fired during that incident and no evidence that a F&F weapon killed the agent.My bet is the killer still has the murder weapon.Unless the cons want to suggest the killer tossed the gun on the ground near the dead agent after shooting him to death.[8|]
3. That there was/is a cover up.
Again....no evidence of a cover up or of wrong doing.Just some cons saying so......which means there is no evidence or we`d have seen it by now.
No Owner it wasn't the same plan
Wide Receiver had gps chips implanted in the guns
F&F Released guns without tracking chips
WR Had agents following the shipments
F&F The agents were ordered to stand down and let the guns go
WR Had the cooperation of the Mexican authorities
F&F Nobody informed the Mexican government of the plan, let alone ask for cooperation
WR Mission was interdict and arrest
F&F Let the guns go and see where they end up.
WR Zero reported kills with the 12 guns lost
F&F Over 300 deaths of Mexican citizens, 1 Border Patrol agent, and one ICE agent killed by F&F guns allowed to walk.
Stop spouting fucking lies... There have been numerous links showing the differences between the operations, even fucking Holder admitted they were different operations...
For once in your life, show some integrity.
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