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The ACA 'Tax' - 6/28/2012 10:54:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		How much will that 'tax' conservatives are now bitching about cost you, the American tax payer?

Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income. Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. So stop watching all the conservative crap that state you'll be paying thousands of dollars because of this law. Actually, you'll be paying thousands of dollars for NOT having good health care coverage. When your at the ER, with super intensive pain; you'd be amazed at what you'll sign just to have the pain go down. The insurance companies will have you over a barrel at that point. That is not the place to be during your ER visit!



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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/28/2012 3:19:27 PM   
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How much will that 'tax' conservatives are now bitching about cost you, the American tax payer?

Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income. Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. So stop watching all the conservative crap that state you'll be paying thousands of dollars because of this law. Actually, you'll be paying thousands of dollars for NOT having good health care coverage. When your at the ER, with super intensive pain; you'd be amazed at what you'll sign just to have the pain go down. The insurance companies will have you over a barrel at that point. That is not the place to be during your ER visit!


Where does the ACA provide "good health coverage" at? All it does is force the middle class to buy insurance, and the last time I looked, "affordable" insurance was pretty bad... High deductibles, lousy coverage, have you got a link to the actual policy the ACA demands we buy?


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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/28/2012 3:28:29 PM   
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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/28/2012 4:02:10 PM   
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How much will that 'tax' conservatives are now bitching about cost you, the American tax payer?

Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income. Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. So stop watching all the conservative crap that state you'll be paying thousands of dollars because of this law. Actually, you'll be paying thousands of dollars for NOT having good health care coverage. When your at the ER, with super intensive pain; you'd be amazed at what you'll sign just to have the pain go down. The insurance companies will have you over a barrel at that point. That is not the place to be during your ER visit!


Where does the ACA provide "good health coverage" at? All it does is force the middle class to buy insurance, and the last time I looked, "affordable" insurance was pretty bad... High deductibles, lousy coverage, have you got a link to the actual policy the ACA demands we buy?



Read the law. It says what insurance must offer.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/28/2012 8:25:15 PM   
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How much will that 'tax' conservatives are now bitching about cost you, the American tax payer?

Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income. Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. So stop watching all the conservative crap that state you'll be paying thousands of dollars because of this law. Actually, you'll be paying thousands of dollars for NOT having good health care coverage. When your at the ER, with super intensive pain; you'd be amazed at what you'll sign just to have the pain go down. The insurance companies will have you over a barrel at that point. That is not the place to be during your ER visit!



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(Sorry....I stutter on occasion...it's not my fault.....).

"Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. "

Well.....if that's what the government has told us....it surely must be true.

Thank you for that. I feel better now about this new legislation.



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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/28/2012 8:49:12 PM   
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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/28/2012 10:09:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
How much will that 'tax' conservatives are now bitching about cost you, the American tax payer?

Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income. Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. So stop watching all the conservative crap that state you'll be paying thousands of dollars because of this law. Actually, you'll be paying thousands of dollars for NOT having good health care coverage. When your at the ER, with super intensive pain; you'd be amazed at what you'll sign just to have the pain go down. The insurance companies will have you over a barrel at that point. That is not the place to be during your ER visit!

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(Sorry....I stutter on occasion...it's not my fault.....).

"Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. "

Well.....if that's what the government has told us....it surely must be true.

Thank you for that. I feel better now about this new legislation.


No, that's not what the goverment states. That's what the PDF document of the bill that was voted on by both sections of Congress and signed into law by President Obama in 2010. If you actually READ THE BILL, instead of being spoon fed your information, you might know that. And 'no', its not new legislation, its been out for over a year now. I seriously wonder if you have it in you to actually read the whole document from begining to end; or if your like most conservatives and just to dumb and ignorant to understand complex and complicated material. The 934 page document maybe a bit....dry....to read, it does spell everything out quite clearly. Even sets dates for when things will happen to give lead times to company to change business practices without error or issue.

I did however, make one error in the OP:

"Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income." In both cases, the greater of the amount between the fixed dollar and percentage is used. So in 2016, if you are making over $40,000/year, you will pay the 2.5%.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 1:12:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		$285 is 1% of $28,500. if it is !% acroost the board it will it will cost most people a lot more.
Being a military retiree I have a lot of experience will government run health care, it is the reason my wife is dead.
Now you will not be at the mercy of insurance companies, just some government pencil pusher ..... so much better.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 3:02:58 AM   
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$285 is 1% of $28,500. if it is !% acroost the board it will it will cost most people a lot more.
Being a military retiree I have a lot of experience will government run health care, it is the reason my wife is dead.
Now you will not be at the mercy of insurance companies, just some government pencil pusher ..... so much better.

VA care has improved quite a lot since TriCare was implemented.

As to the ACA there will be no government pencil pusher involved. You will just be a little less at the mercy of an insuarnce pencil pusher.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 5:35:39 AM   
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Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income.


I think a reminder is needed that this is just a penalty for people who have chosen to not get coverage. If there are currently 50 million without, what are the projections for the amount of people this would affect?

Also, this was originally designed by Republicans as an anti-free rider tax - a mandate for personal responsibility. Now that the Supreme Court has upheld it as a tax, expect the Dems to reframe it this way.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 5:50:50 AM   
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$285 is 1% of $28,500. if it is !% acroost the board it will it will cost most people a lot more.
Being a military retiree I have a lot of experience will government run health care, it is the reason my wife is dead.


Companies with competitive salaries also offer healthcare as a way to be competitive. The penalty is only for people who do not have healthcare.

I'm very sorry about your wife. My experience with the VA since 2006 has been very different. I have a pre-existing condition - no private insurance would touch me under the existing system. (The ability to discriminate due to PEC goes away in 2014.)

Like with civilians doctors, I need to be very proactive. My GYN recently offered me two options. I read about the risks and declined both. We're negotiating to have the VA cover a third procedure at a civilian hospital. I also taught myself how to get medication not included in the VA formulary.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 6:16:18 AM   
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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 4:32:45 PM   
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How much will that 'tax' conservatives are now bitching about cost you, the American tax payer?

Just $285 or 1% of your income in 2014. By 2016, the penalty goes up to $2,085/year or 2.5% of income. Thats REALLY what is stated in the ACA. So stop watching all the conservative crap that state you'll be paying thousands of dollars because of this law. Actually, you'll be paying thousands of dollars for NOT having good health care coverage. When your at the ER, with super intensive pain; you'd be amazed at what you'll sign just to have the pain go down. The insurance companies will have you over a barrel at that point. That is not the place to be during your ER visit!







And.....the "penalty",if you check no in the box that asks if you have insurance, will come off your tax return.

The IRS isn`t coming after anyone......

The IRS can`t garnish wages or seize property or jail someone for someone who can`t pay the tax, like with unpaid income taxes or add that debt to any outstanding IRS dept.

There is no penalty, beyond that.......none.

There`s also a number of folks who are exempt from all this based on their income.If I recall correctly,if you can`t find insurance for less than 8% of your yearly income,you`re exempt.



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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 7:14:22 PM   
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It is not a tax. Obama has said many times that it is not a tax..


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(I know several people that can read a phone book and make you laugh....this was fairly close :) )

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 7:16:40 PM   
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$285 is 1% of $28,500. if it is !% acroost the board it will it will cost most people a lot more.
Being a military retiree I have a lot of experience will government run health care, it is the reason my wife is dead.
Now you will not be at the mercy of insurance companies, just some government pencil pusher ..... so much better.


Bama...please stop confusing people with the facts.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 6/29/2012 7:26:13 PM   
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$285 is 1% of $28,500. if it is !% acroost the board it will it will cost most people a lot more.
Being a military retiree I have a lot of experience will government run health care, it is the reason my wife is dead.


Companies with competitive salaries also offer healthcare as a way to be competitive. The penalty is only for people who do not have healthcare.

I'm very sorry about your wife. My experience with the VA since 2006 has been very different. I have a pre-existing condition - no private insurance would touch me under the existing system. (The ability to discriminate due to PEC goes away in 2014.)

Like with civilians doctors, I need to be very proactive. My GYN recently offered me two options. I read about the risks and declined both. We're negotiating to have the VA cover a third procedure at a civilian hospital. I also taught myself how to get medication not included in the VA formulary.


Ya know what....the fact is...people like this (the poster) this should fucking NEVER fucking happen to.

I'm a Republican...a bit of a derivation on things....I actually believe in Universal Health Care...but....not for the people that just won't work....but....

That really isn't who (this bill is) for.

There's millions who will simply not....ever....won't....ever.

But this chic should have health care....period....

Kalikshama...I'm so proud of our government who has stood up for you and others....I hate the fact that they blew apart our Constitution to achieve it....but I'd have paid 10 years income tax to see it happen...and I'm thrilled that it now has (occurred).

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 7/4/2012 12:01:40 PM   
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VA care has improved quite a lot since TriCare was implemented.

As someone with a friend who shattered a cervical vertebrae for the army I can assure you that it's still quite shitty.

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As to the ACA there will be no government pencil pusher involved. You will just be a little less at the mercy of an insuarnce pencil pusher.

I thought that statement could use repeating.

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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 7/4/2012 12:21:48 PM   
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It is not a tax. Obama has said many times that it is not a tax..



Well, the Supreme Court says it's illegal, if it isn't a tax, so the Dems and Obamabots will be needing to get on board with every word in the emails from the "Truth Team," in a big hurry.


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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 7/4/2012 1:58:42 PM   
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How much will that 'tax' conservatives are now bitching about cost you, the American tax payer?




The price is our liberty, Joether, though I doubt that concept even resonates a mind where so much fine education as you like to show off, is so tragically wasted.

Several years ago, I made an honest appraisal of where I was, and where the path I was on was taking me. I didn't like it. I left a line of work where I had better than a decade of experience, and a company where I had established myself, because there wasn't any "up," left. I started over, at the sort of pay cut you get when a skilled worker with years in a job, becomes an intern somewhere else.

Part of that transition period involved a months long wait, before my new employer would begin offering health benefits. There were no certainties in the change. I was taking one hell of a personal risk. I had some money in reserve, to cover the gap, and we pulled some creative financing tricks along the way, but it came right down to wire, before I got that first promotion, and started making just a little bit less than I was used to, instead of a lot less. How close to the wire? I came up $20 short on the very last tank of gas I put in my car, 2 days before the first paycheck with the first raise arrived.

The $2000 it was going to cost me in COBRA for those months would have been a dealbreaker. A hit on our taxes would have been the same. $500 or $5,000, it doesn't matter. If a mandate for health care keeps one person from being free to make the choices tomorrow, that I made a few years ago, then our liberty is diminished. Rather shitty of you to gloat about it on Independence Day, but education has no more to do with class, than it does with intelligence.

I'm not wholly opposed to some serious reform of how healthcare is provided in our country. I think single-payer is a lousy idea, but I'm willing to talk about full-blown nationalization, if I start hearing sensible answers to the questions I have, instead of just being told I must hate old/poor people because I see a longer term vision of consequence than the proponents are willing to acknowlege.



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RE: The ACA 'Tax' - 7/4/2012 2:27:31 PM   
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