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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 5:59:37 PM   
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Just following not pursuing, just when did Zimmerman state he was going to detain Martin.


Just so we have this straight; if someone did not state that he was going to rob you or assault you before he robbed or assaulted you, then he didn't rob or assault you even if he robbed or assaulted you, if he did not proclaim such intention beforehand.

Got it.

The confrontation would not have taken place had not Zimmerman flouted the proper authorities and pursued, simple as that.




Again you miss the point you assume that Zimmerman was going to detain Martin and yet other than your assumption you have no supporting evidence that he was not following his stated intent of following and observing, it is as simple as that.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:10:08 PM   
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Had Z not been a vigilante bent on violence, he wouldn't have been punched either!....CUlpability will be proven, but I doubt you will care for the outcome.



And once again you are making that up. You don't know that as much as you could say that every neighborhood watch guy out there is a vigilante. You don't know he was bent on violence. He was trying to keep the neighbors from getting their houses burglarized, nothing more nothing less and then this unfortunate freak of nature event happened.


If that's true, then why did he violate the training he received to not confront any suspects? We now see that he's lying about getting out of the truck, since he tells the SPD he got out for one reason, yet publicly stated a different reason, so there's NO reason he should have violated his explicit training.

So, Zimmerman wasn't acting in Good Faith as part of the Neighborhood Watch. "Vigilante" sounds about right.



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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:15:47 PM   
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Just following not pursuing, just when did Zimmerman state he was going to detain Martin.


Just so we have this straight; if someone did not state that he was going to rob you or assault you before he robbed or assaulted you, then he didn't rob or assault you even if he robbed or assaulted you, if he did not proclaim such intention beforehand.

Got it.

The confrontation would not have taken place had not Zimmerman flouted the proper authorities and pursued, simple as that.




Again you miss the point you assume that Zimmerman was going to detain Martin and yet other than your assumption you have no supporting evidence that he was not following his stated intent of following and observing, it is as simple as that.


Zimmerman never stated an intent to follow and observe. At this point he offers TWO DIFFERENT reasons for getting out of his vehicle. First he told the SPD that he was confused about which of the three streets he's been patrolling for years he was on, and then on TV he tells a different story about looking for a house number.

So, discounting your hypothetical example, we have only Zimmerman's conflicting explanations. So, we discard Zimmerman's claims in their entirety, and are left with Martin's girlfriend's claims as the only ones prevailing.

Zimmerman confronted Martin and made threatening motions as if towards a weapon. ( Zimmerman CLAIMS he was going for his phone, but of course that's irrelevant first because Zimmerman's not credible, and second in that it's irrelevant WHAT he was reaching for. Martin REASONABLY feared for his life after being chased and confronted by this crazy stranger. That's all she wrote.

Of course, if Zimmerman feels otherwise, he's welcome to take the stand and testify in a SYG hearing.

Martin, in legitimate fear for his life tried to defend himself, and then Zimmerman shot him dead.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:16:15 PM   
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I feel that Zimmerman is a rapist, when you are a victim of incest by
a family member the hardest part is making other family memeber believe what
you have told them!

I know this because I was abuse and rape as an adult by my own "brother" therapy "
has began to help my inner child and my emotional health!

But I remember more and more, I knwo something happen but I had not a clue as to what it was!

I remember it now and I am sicken by what he did, how dare anyone do this to a child, he was the older one
and should had known better!

I believe her she is not gaining anything telling about the abuse she suffer for 10 years!
Her name is not even mention!

I can say what happen to me because I did nothing wrong it was my abuser my brother who did the worse thing
when I trusted him he was my damn brother! He went through everyone of the girls in our family!

The next thing I will read about Zimmerman is he did this to others, remember they do not stop at just one!

You can find this out by reading about sexual abuser., on the web!

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Thank you, I could not agree with you more.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:21:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well many think the interview gave Corey more ammo and more then likely did. It seems that there was money changing under the table. Barbara Walters who was scheduled for an interview canceled after demends from Zimmerman. Then it appears Zimmerman is going to re open his old website to get more donations. I think he is under court order not to open up that website. Can't wait for next week when Judge Lester returns, it could prove interesting.


http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman-prosecution-may-tv-interview-evidence-210121704--abc-news-topstories.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-19/news/os-george-zimmerman-interview-react-20120719_1_trayvon-martin-special-prosecutor-angela-corey-george-zimmerman

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:30:29 PM   
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It happened to my mother as well, with her father the abuser. From the time she was six years old, he'd sexually abused her for several years and it wasn't until she underwent extensive therapy for a seizure disorder that it all came out (she was in her late 30s at the time). From what I know of it, everybody in the family knew something was going on and there used to be fights within the family about it. My grandmother denied it all, but she denied his philandering and cheating and multiple kids by lovers as well, to her dying day.

My daughter was also abused for about 2 years by her stepbrother. And to this day, my ex-husband's second wife (they are no longer married) blames my son for bringing it out in the open as soon as he found out it was happening. Oddly, he was doing it to his sister as well and she denies it as well. The guy got kicked out of West Point, spent 8 years in prison and will be on the sex offenders data base for the rest of his life.

My daughter is doing fine after several years of counseling but for a while there it was uncertain as she behaved for a little while like a "door knob".

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:51:57 PM   
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Just following not pursuing, just when did Zimmerman state he was going to detain Martin.


Just so we have this straight; if someone did not state that he was going to rob you or assault you before he robbed or assaulted you, then he didn't rob or assault you even if he robbed or assaulted you, if he did not proclaim such intention beforehand.

Got it.

The confrontation would not have taken place had not Zimmerman flouted the proper authorities and pursued, simple as that.




Again you miss the point you assume that Zimmerman was going to detain Martin and yet other than your assumption you have no supporting evidence that he was not following his stated intent of following and observing, it is as simple as that.


The 911 recording and Zimmerman's own account show that he was following, at the least. Testimony of the cell phone conversation show that Martin made attempt to avoid being followed, and that Zimmerman suddenly reappeared at close range. The only way a confrontation could have transpired is for one of them to close the distance to the other. There is witness testimony that it was Zimmerman who approached, i.e., went beyond mere following. There is no witness testimony or other evidence of any sort that Martin pursued or followed Zimmerman in any way, at any time.

Again, only one way the confrontation could have been made possible, and all evidence says it was Zimmerman. No evidence, none, says it was Martin.




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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:52:59 PM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 6:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just read a few articles about Zim's FOX news interview.

How fucking STUPID is he?

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 7:16:12 PM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 7:25:57 PM   
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.  LOL!  Two people ATTACKED you?  NOW I see why you keep referring to Martin's defense as an "attack".  And actually I DID give you an alternate meaning.  Just because it doesn't suit your claims doesn't mean it wasn't there.  Also, what we have is Martin's girlfriend's paraphrasing of what Martin said...not his exact words.  He may have said something like, "I can't run any more."  Or, when he said that he may have thought he had lost Zimmerman and didn't NEED to run any more.  But the fact that DeeDee said Martin was talking real low...like he was in hiding...and the fact that in one of Zimmerman's first statements to the police he said he saw Martin emerge from the shrubs is a pretty good indication that he was hiding and so said he wasn't going to run because that would expose his location to Zimmerman again.


So suddenly Dee Dee's memory of what happened which was previously sacred truth is dubious when it hurts your conclusion. If this is to be trown out so is everything else she said.


Neither "I can't run" or "I'm not going to run" harms my conclusion in any way.  Neither one, said while in hiding from a possible assailant, indicates an intent to attack that assailant, especially when considering that Martin had already run away and hid to AVOID that assailant.  Your supposition that he, for some unknown reason after running and hiding to avoid confrontation, then decides to attack that person is ludicrous.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 7:29:12 PM   
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Well many think the interview gave Corey more ammo and more then likely did. It seems that there was money changing under the table. Barbara Walters who was scheduled for an interview canceled after demends from Zimmerman. Then it appears Zimmerman is going to re open his old website to get more donations. I think he is under court order not to open up that website. Can't wait for next week when Judge Lester returns, it could prove interesting.

Sounds to me like Zimmy is getting ready to dump O'Mara as his lawyer like he did with his previous ones..

He has got more than a few screws loose..

JMO..

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 7:52:50 PM   
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advised against it and know full well that the police are on the way is not a freak of nature event, it is simple stupidity.

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Getting too close to the edge of a cliff and then falling over it is not a freak of nature event, it is a result of simple stupidity.

Following and pursuing someone when you have no authority to do so and have been specifically advised against it and know full well that the police are on the way is not a freak of nature event, it is simple stupidity.





Just following not pursuing, just when did Zimmerman state he was going to detain Martin.


He "followed" while still in his SUV.   He "pursued" when he got out of the SUV and chased Martin on foot.  Remember when the NEN officer asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin?  He said, "Yes."  He didn't say, "No, I'm checking street names," or "No, I'm looking for addresses."  THAT story came out after the fact.

As for Zimmerman stating that he was going to detain Martin?  You're kidding...right?  Who, no matter what they intended would have declared that just out of the blue?  The NEN officer didn't ask that question, probably because he thought he was dealing with a rational person and didn't need to ask.  But Zimmerman DID show his attitude with his statement of, "These assholes, they always get away," followed by his foot pursuit of Martin after he told the NEN officer, "He's running." 

In all honesty, Zimmerman probably didn't intend to try to detain Martin himself  UNTIL he came face to face and within reaching distance of Martin at which point he decides to make sure Martin doesn't try to run again.

And the one thing you keep wanting to avoid is the fact that the last words DeeDee heard before the connection broke was Martin yelling, "Get off.  Get off."  If he was busy punching Zimmerman's nose in an unprovoked attack at that point why would he have been yelling anything even remotely similar to that at that time?  I CAN see a reason for those or similar words being yelled if someone (Zimmerman) was hanging on to his arm or sweatshirt at the time.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 8:14:24 PM   
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"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."


Hell's bells. Sounds like something David Berkowitz might have said.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 8:19:09 PM   
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Again you miss the point you assume that Zimmerman was going to detain Martin and yet other than your assumption you have no supporting evidence that he was not following his stated intent of following and observing, it is as simple as that.


The 911 recording and Zimmerman's own account show that he was following, at the least. Testimony of the cell phone conversation show that Martin made attempt to avoid being followed, and that Zimmerman suddenly reappeared at close range. The only way a confrontation could have transpired is for one of them to close the distance to the other. There is witness testimony that it was Zimmerman who approached, i.e., went beyond mere following. There is no witness testimony or other evidence of any sort that Martin pursued or followed Zimmerman in any way, at any time.

Again, only one way the confrontation could have been made possible, and all evidence says it was Zimmerman. No evidence, none, says it was Martin.




Except of course Martins own words that he wasn't going to run obviously meaning at the very least that he had decided to close the gap by not moving and remember at that point Zimmerman had lost contact with him, why do you keep ignoreing that very important fact. He had lost Zimmerman, according to Dee Dee he knew it and decided to go back rather than increase the gap.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 8:24:32 PM   
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.  LOL!  Two people ATTACKED you?  NOW I see why you keep referring to Martin's defense as an "attack".  And actually I DID give you an alternate meaning.  Just because it doesn't suit your claims doesn't mean it wasn't there.  Also, what we have is Martin's girlfriend's paraphrasing of what Martin said...not his exact words.  He may have said something like, "I can't run any more."  Or, when he said that he may have thought he had lost Zimmerman and didn't NEED to run any more.  But the fact that DeeDee said Martin was talking real low...like he was in hiding...and the fact that in one of Zimmerman's first statements to the police he said he saw Martin emerge from the shrubs is a pretty good indication that he was hiding and so said he wasn't going to run because that would expose his location to Zimmerman again.


So suddenly Dee Dee's memory of what happened which was previously sacred truth is dubious when it hurts your conclusion. If this is to be trown out so is everything else she said.


Neither "I can't run" or "I'm not going to run" harms my conclusion in any way.  Neither one, said while in hiding from a possible assailant, indicates an intent to attack that assailant, especially when considering that Martin had already run away and hid to AVOID that assailant.  Your supposition that he, for some unknown reason after running and hiding to avoid confrontation, then decides to attack that person is ludicrous.

Except of course by saying that on that one phrase Dee Dee must have misunderstood you must then throw out everything she said. Of course both of those fit your position but for you to use what was in the coversation at all you have to take it all, even the part thatblows your position out of the water. You can't logically say this is gospel except for the part where I need for him to say something different which is what you are doing.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 8:51:39 PM   
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"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."


Hell's bells. Sounds like something David Berkowitz might have said.

Heh maybe temp insanity is going to come up somewhere.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 9:09:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		It appears Zimmerman is not very happy with the results of the TV interview, and how O'Mara is handling the funds.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Local-6-exclusive-George-Zimmerman-criticizes-own-defense-team/-/1637132/15611904/-/gxn5tw/-/index.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/19/2902578/zimmerman-calls-barbara-walter.html

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 9:35:18 PM   
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I just don`t understand why anyone feels sorry for this guy.


Maybe at 1st.....


But today,after everything`s that happened and been said and gone down since......I don`t understand why folks are still stick`n with this loser.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/19/2012 9:45:12 PM   
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It appears Zimmerman is not very happy with the results of the TV interview, and how O'Mara is handling the funds.

One of the conditions of his recent bail is that he not open any new bank accounts.. so I wonder where any donations that do come into Zimmy's newly resurected website are going.. cuz i thought the old paypal account was shut down by O'Mara when Zimmy's old website was taken down.. Has he conned his wife or sister into opening a new paypal account or has he deliberately violated his bail conditions (again) by opening it up himself?? I am sure the Prosecutor will be looking into that shortly..

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