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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

So, you're saying that Zimmerman making the threatening motion as if towards a weapon to be the cause of Trayvon Martin's fear for his life, and not the prior stalking-like behaviour of Zimmerman?

Ok, I'll buy that.

Trayvon's not the one on trial, so what's relevant to George's claim of self defense is the cause of his fear for his life. Searching a pocket for a phone to call 911 in fear of an impending assault doesn't legally make George the aggressor anyways.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
"Searching a pocket for a phone to call 911 in fear of an impending assault"

Of course, you're omitting that the only person making that claim is known to be a liar. Why do you omit that fact? Do you feel that Zimmerman's credibility is so good -- despite knowing that he's a liar and manipulator -- that you accept his claims without any analysis or criticism?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icj0qNqiwVo if anyone cares about context.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
"Searching a pocket for a phone to call 911 in fear of an impending assault"

Of course, you're omitting that the only person making that claim is known to be a liar. Why do you omit that fact? Do you feel that Zimmerman's credibility is so good -- despite knowing that he's a liar and manipulator -- that you accept his claims without any analysis or criticism?

1) I don't know that he's a "liar and manipulator", there's been nothing to lead me to that leap of conclusion.
2) You seem quite quick yourself to accept him reaching for his phone as a "threatening gesture as if for a weapon", but when the same action described by his same words is described as "reaching for a phone to call 911" you resort to "the only person making that claim is a liar."

Are you that desperate due to the lack of real evidence of George's guilt that you have to resort to such ridiculous double standards?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

You're the one taking things out of context.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
"Searching a pocket for a phone to call 911 in fear of an impending assault"

Of course, you're omitting that the only person making that claim is known to be a liar. Why do you omit that fact? Do you feel that Zimmerman's credibility is so good -- despite knowing that he's a liar and manipulator -- that you accept his claims without any analysis or criticism?

1) I don't know that he's a "liar and manipulator", there's been nothing to lead me to that leap of conclusion.
2) You seem quite quick yourself to accept him reaching for his phone as a "threatening gesture as if for a weapon", but when the same action described by his same words is described as "reaching for a phone to call 911" you resort to "the only person making that claim is a liar."

Are you that desperate due to the lack of real evidence of George's guilt that you have to resort to such ridiculous double standards?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
1) You don't consider him manipulating his wife and attorney to lie to the court on his behalf to be enough to qualify someone as a "liar and manipulator"?

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2) The "threatening gesture" is sufficient for Trayvon Martin to use lethal force in defense of his life.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

Why are you taking her words entirely out of context like this? Are you that determined to twist everything?

I'm not twisting anything; I don't see the difference. I see two different people affected by a tragedy who share a similar belief that God is in control.

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I feel certain you don't buy Zimmerman's crap about the entire sequence of events being "God's will", so why are you spouting it like it's some sort of truth that everyone involved is agreeing on?

Whether or not I share George's and Sybrina's beliefs is irrelevant, nor am I spouting their beliefs as truth. I just don't think it's my place to attack or judge their beliefs.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
"Searching a pocket for a phone to call 911 in fear of an impending assault"

Of course, you're omitting that the only person making that claim is known to be a liar. Why do you omit that fact? Do you feel that Zimmerman's credibility is so good -- despite knowing that he's a liar and manipulator -- that you accept his claims without any analysis or criticism?

1) I don't know that he's a "liar and manipulator", there's been nothing to lead me to that leap of conclusion.
2) You seem quite quick yourself to accept him reaching for his phone as a "threatening gesture as if for a weapon", but when the same action described by his same words is described as "reaching for a phone to call 911" you resort to "the only person making that claim is a liar."

Are you that desperate due to the lack of real evidence of George's guilt that you have to resort to such ridiculous double standards?

1) You don't consider him manipulating his wife and attorney to lie to the court on his behalf to be enough to qualify someone as a "liar and manipulator"?

Exactly what standard *would* be sufficient to you?

2) The "threatening gesture" is sufficient for Trayvon Martin to use lethal force in defense of his life. Ask any cop what they would do if someone approached them and then started reaching around as if for a weapon what they would do. It doesn't take an Einstein to understand all this.