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Musicmystery -> Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 8:57:01 AM)
July 6, 2012 \| By Alicia Caramenico More than half of physician leaders (61.1 percent) agree with the Supreme Court decision to uphold the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, according to a new poll from the American College of Physician Executives (ACPE). More than 30 percent opposed the verdict, while 5.5 percent remained unsure of where they stood on the reform ruling. "The more I've learned of the contents of the ACA, the more I've come to appreciate it," said Keith Marton, a physician leader in Seattle who was among those supporting the verdict. "It has components that will not only increase access to health insurance (the primary goal) but actually control costs and potentially improve quality," he said, according to the ACPE research announcement. Yet those against upholding the reform legislation cited costs and wasteful government bureaucracy. More than half of physician leaders (61.1 percent) agree with the Supreme Court decision to uphold the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, according to a new poll from the American College of Physician Executives (ACPE). More than 30 percent opposed the verdict, while 5.5 percent remained unsure of where they stood on the reform ruling. "The more I've learned of the contents of the ACA, the more I've come to appreciate it," said Keith Marton, a physician leader in Seattle who was among those supporting the verdict. "It has components that will not only increase access to health insurance (the primary goal) but actually control costs and potentially improve quality," he said, according to the ACPE research announcement. Yet those against upholding the reform legislation cited costs and wasteful government bureaucracy. White Paper: Improving Patient Outcomes Through a More Effective Electronic Medical Record Sponsored by: GE Using Electronic Medical Records (EMR) instead of paper files has the potential to improve care for patients by boosting communication. Despite positive results related to EMR usage, questions remain. How can physician practices best use EMRs to focus business and clinical operations, improve outcomes and engage patients in healthcare decision making? Learn more. Prior to the ruling, many physicians voiced their dissatisfaction with Affordable Care Act, echoing similar cost and quality concerns, according to a survey from staffing company Jackson Healthcare. Sixty-eight percent of physician respondents gave the reform law a C, D or F grade. Meanwhile, the public remains divided on the decision to uphold the ACA, according to the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. Its latest poll found that 40 percent of Americans disapprove of the high court's ruling; 36 percent support it, and 24 percent offer no opinion. What's surprising is how much of the public doesn't know about the health reform ruling--an astounding 45 percent. Of those uninformed about the ruling that has been dominating headlines, 30 percent said they didn't know what the Supreme Court did, while 15 percent thought it rejected most of the ACA's provisions, according to Pew. Read more: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling - FierceHealthcare http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/majority-docs-support-public-uniformed-reform-ruling/2012-07-06?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal#ixzz1zx8bAyrx

Fellow -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 9:46:28 AM)
Why shouldn't they support Obama care? Medical "industry" in general will increase its profitability. Currently the have substantial losses due to people getting services but unable to pay. Health insurance industry is happy as well. They actually wrote the bill. To some extent it is a corporate welfare bill.

TheHeretic -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 9:50:34 AM)
Now we have to wear uniforms to go get in line to see a doctor??? Where does the madness stop?

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 10:05:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Now we have to wear uniforms to go get in line to see a doctor??? Where does the madness stop? LOL! Oops.

subrob1967 -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 10:57:26 AM)
And here's what NON executive Physicians say about the PPACA quote: Physician Survey The report includes results of a physician survey conducted by Merritt Hawkins on behalf of The Physicians Foundation. Some 2,400 physicians who responded to the survey indicated how they reacted to health reform and enumerated ways in which they may alter their practice plans in the next one to three years as reform is implemented. Key findings of the survey include: 1) The majority of physicians responded unfavorably to passage of health reform. 2) The majority of physicians believe health reform will increase their patient loads while decreasing the financial viability of their practices. 3) The majority of physicians plan to alter their practices patterns in ways that will reduce patient access to their practices, by retiring, working part-time or taking other steps. 4) Physician practice styles will be increasingly less homogenous. The full-time, independent practitioner accepting third party payment will largely be supplanted by employed, part-time, locum tenens, and concierge practitioners. Complete results of the survey are included in this paper. The Physicians’ Perspective Health reform is a large, moving target with multiple working parts. This White Paper focuses on its potential effects on physician practices. It is intended as a resource that physicians can use to both consider the implications of health reform and to navigate through the post-reform practice environment. 5 In concert with The Physicians Foundation’s mission, the White Paper also is intended as a forum for presenting the physicians’ perspective to policy makers, the media and the general public. How physicians view the practice of medicine, and how they choose to practice, is of fundamental importance to the quality and access to medical care afforded to all Americans. The Physicians Foundation is committed to demonstrating the link between a robust, autonomous physician work force and patient access to the highest quality medical care. 6 The majority of physicians believe health reform will increase their patient loads while decreasing the financial viability of their practices.

Louve00 -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 11:39:32 AM)
I used to work as a respiratory therapist about 10 years ago. And granted, while I am no longer working in the medical field, many of my co workers have gone on to become Dr's, PA's, and ARNP's. The bulk of them all see, treat and write scripts for about 40 patients in a 10 hour day, 5 days a week, some with a half day off during that 5 day work week, some working a 50 hour work week every week. We all know either side will lie to us to get it done their way, but this has been going on since before Obama first signed ACA to begin in 2010, much longer than the Supreme Courts ruled it as constitutional. My eyes were completely opened to this fact when my husband was diagnosed with lung cancer in 2005 and insurance started to deny him coverage for this test or that treatment, after we faithfully, for years, paid our premiums. And we had catestrophic coverage, too. It's true that you just don't know until you come face to face with it what kind of odds your dealing with until you have to play them. And we have no idea what so ever what it will be like when this law will be like when it's fully implemented in 2014-15. So, regardless of facts, polls, and opinions, that we've never been able to count on before because it's coming from people that want it and will tell us anything, I say...Bring it on!!!

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 11:41:49 AM)
Yo, Mr. Slow-on-the-uptake... The point of the article is that post-ruling, physicians got themselves more familiar with ACA (since it's now a done deal, short of Romney's threat), and once they actually became familiar with what's in it --- they changed their minds.

joether -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 12:42:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 1) The majority of physicians responded unfavorably to passage of health reform. Many of them wanted the version or two before the current product. The latest version (the one signed into law), got watered down. I dont expect you to know or even acknowledge the facts and history given your usual political viewpoints coughconservativecough. The Republicans back in the early part of 2010 were asked straight up by the President the following question: "What would it take for you to sign off in an approving manner on this bill?" To which the Republicans gave 11 answers. Democrats in Congress went back and made such changes (begrudgingly) and in so doing watered down the final bill. And what did the Republicans do, after they got what they wanted on the bill? THEY VOTED AGAINST IT! There by showing all of America just how much honor and credibility they had. BUT, most of us know that conservatives are unable to admit the facts and history. So yes, physicians got mad that the bill was fair but not good or excellent. If Democrats knew how the Republicans would vote, they would have NEVER changed things to suit the Republicans. An should the Democrats retake the House, hold the Senate and White House, the ACA will get positively modified. And I'm sure the Democrats will tell the Republicans where they can stick their B.S. quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 2) The majority of physicians believe health reform will increase their patient loads while decreasing the financial viability of their practices. Last I checked, small business practices can simply state "they are not taking on new patient cases at this time". That right stops the problem before it becomes bigger. You'd know that if you were either A) A medical doctor, B) In the medical field, or C) knowledgable about the medical field. If your a medical doctor for the money only; its fair to say your level of stress and resentment will be high. And if you, the medical doctor do not change your thinking quickly, you'll suffer many physical, emotional, and mental problems. And who better to know what those things are, than a medical scientist? quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 3) The majority of physicians plan to alter their practices patterns in ways that will reduce patient access to their practices, by retiring, working part-time or taking other steps. Than its up to us Americans to simply provide ways and means for more physicians into the field. That creates supply to an industry with high demand and limited supply. Of course to do that, would mean designing programs that keep the financial costs down while keeping the quality of skill up. Should we ask conservatives like you, whom dont know a dime about the medical field what we should do? Not really! If we did, we'd have to wait for the GOP's propoganda machine to spit out the buzz words, sound bites, and useless trash before you can speak. Cus a thinking, rational, and wise conservative would NEVER vote Republican.

TheHeretic -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 1:06:06 PM)
Here's a crazy idea for you, Joether. Before you go popping off in this thread, why not take yourself back to the poorly thought out one you started, and address how the mandate affects the liberty of the working class? But then, freedom, self-determination, and the real world concerns of people who work for a living don't really enter your "thinking," much, do they?

Hillwilliam -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 1:13:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow Why shouldn't they support Obama care? Medical "industry" in general will increase its profitability. Currently the have substantial losses due to people getting services but unable to pay. Health insurance industry is happy as well. They actually wrote the bill. To some extent it is a corporate welfare bill. I'm calling bullshit. The medical indistry doesn't have losses because of people unable to pay, I have losses. They don't lose shit. They just charge more of the people who CAN pay like me.

subrob1967 -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 2:02:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Yo, Mr. Slow-on-the-uptake... The point of the article is that post-ruling, physicians got themselves more familiar with ACA (since it's now a done deal, short of Romney's threat), and once they actually became familiar with what's in it --- they changed their minds. Bullshit, you were trying to say that a majority of physicians now think the ACA is a good deal, whereas your proof consists of a survey filled out by 643 physicians. Your source asked 643 of it's members... Let me repeat that number SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE to fill out a survey. There are NINE HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND doctors in the US, and your claim is 60.5% or 389 of the 643 doctors asked, speak for all 953,611 doctors that aren't members of your cited organization.

TheHeretic -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 2:14:38 PM)
Don't confuse them with reality, Rob.

tazzygirl -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 2:32:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Yo, Mr. Slow-on-the-uptake... The point of the article is that post-ruling, physicians got themselves more familiar with ACA (since it's now a done deal, short of Romney's threat), and once they actually became familiar with what's in it --- they changed their minds. Bullshit, you were trying to say that a majority of physicians now think the ACA is a good deal, whereas your proof consists of a survey filled out by 643 physicians. Your source asked 643 of it's members... Let me repeat that number SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE to fill out a survey. There are NINE HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND doctors in the US, and your claim is 60.5% or 389 of the 643 doctors asked, speak for all 953,611 doctors that aren't members of your cited organization. Want to put up something a bit more current than 2010 surveys?

dcnovice -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 2:34:56 PM)
quote: There are NINE HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND doctors in the US ... and the white paper to which you linked surveyed merely 2,400 of them (PDF, page five). So I'm not sure why its two-year-old findings are appreciably more authoritative than MM's more recent survey results.

dcnovice -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 2:41:40 PM)
FR For what it's worth, here's the AMA's statement on the ACA ruling: AMA: Supreme Court Decision Protects Much-Needed Health Insurance Coverage for Millions of Americans For immediate release: June 28, 2012 The American Medical Association has long supported health insurance coverage for all, and we are pleased that this decision means millions of Americans can look forward to the coverage they need to get healthy and stay healthy. “The AMA remains committed to working on behalf of America's physicians and patients to ensure the law continues to be implemented in ways that support and incentivize better health outcomes and improve the nation's health care system. “This decision protects important improvements, such as ending coverage denials due to pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps on insurance, and allowing the 2.5 million young adults up to age 26 who gained coverage under the law to stay on their parents' health insurance policies. The expanded health care coverage upheld by the Supreme Court will allow patients to see their doctors earlier rather than waiting for treatment until they are sicker and care is more expensive. The decision upholds funding for important research on the effectiveness of drugs and treatments and protects expanded coverage for prevention and wellness care, which has already benefited about 54 million Americans. “The health reform law upheld by the Supreme Court simplifies administrative burdens, including streamlining insurance claims, so physicians and their staff can spend more time with patients and less time on paperwork. It protects those in the Medicare ‘donut hole,’ including the 5.1 million Medicare patients who saved significantly on prescription drugs in 2010 and 2011. These important changes have been made while maintaining our American system with both private and public insurers.”

subrob1967 -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 4:23:19 PM)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/09/26/doctor-and-ama-split-over-contentious-issue-of-obamacare/ http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/07/313211/77-percent-of-doctors-say-ama-does-not-represent-their-views/ The AMA is in Obama's pocket.

subrob1967 -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 4:25:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Want to put up something a bit more current than 2010 surveys? Me? Why should I? MM is the guy who claims that 389 doctors represent the medical profession in the US... Ask him for a source.

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 4:27:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Yo, Mr. Slow-on-the-uptake... The point of the article is that post-ruling, physicians got themselves more familiar with ACA (since it's now a done deal, short of Romney's threat), and once they actually became familiar with what's in it --- they changed their minds. Bullshit, you were trying to say that a majority of physicians now think the ACA is a good deal, whereas your proof consists of a survey filled out by 643 physicians. Your source asked 643 of it's members... Let me repeat that number SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY THREE to fill out a survey. There are NINE HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND doctors in the US, and your claim is 60.5% or 389 of the 643 doctors asked, speak for all 953,611 doctors that aren't members of your cited organization. Hey, I just posted an article. I didn't sell it. Point taken about the sample size. But since the point of the poll was the change since the ruling, polls taken before the ruling aren't to the point. Find yourself a poll showing what you want after the ruling, and you're good. That's the point.

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 4:28:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Don't confuse them with reality, Rob. Since the issue is a change after an event, reality is data before the event doesn't contradict the poll's conclusions.

TheHeretic -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 4:45:13 PM)
But the sample size and method of the poll, do reflect on where you started. And I'm hoping those uniforms won't leave our asses out in the wind, like a hospital gown does. But then, the way individual liberty is getting fucked, it would make it convenient to design them that way, I suppose.

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