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Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 4:50:55 PM)
Why close them? Can't you just cut taxes? ;-)

dcnovice -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/7/2012 6:23:57 PM)
quote: sample size I agree that sample size can be important, so I looked to see what Rasmussen does (since their polls are often cited by fellow posters). Daily Presidential Tracking Poll: 500 likely voters Today's Breaking News Poll: 1,000 likely voters U.S. Population: 311,591,917

tazzygirl -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 12:44:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Want to put up something a bit more current than 2010 surveys? Me? Why should I? MM is the guy who claims that 389 doctors represent the medical profession in the US... Ask him for a source. And you claim that is not true, by offering a poll that is years old. Offer something current.

SadistDave -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 2:59:24 AM)
Funny, this poll seems to tell a different story entirely. Doctors as Divided as Patients Over Supreme Court ACA Decision Do doctors feel the same way as their patients? Medscape/WebMD asked. More than 3,000 doctors responded. The result: As did patients, doctors split right down the middle. Just over 49% approved of the Supreme Court's decision on the ACA. Just under 49% disapproved. Even so, only 1 in 5 doctors believed the decision would lead to improved patient care. The rest said they didn't know or that it didn't apply to them. Primary care doctors were most opposed to the decision, with 55.5% disapproving and 41.1% approving. Internists were the most in favor, with about 60% approving and 37.7% disapproving. Some 34% of doctors would prefer a single-payer system. More than 25% of doctors said the health system could be improved by making it more market driven, and 24% of doctors think government should completely stay out of health care. Emphasis added. -SD-

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 8:46:03 AM)
quote: Funny, this poll seems to tell a different story entirely. It really doesn't: "60% approving and 37.7% disapproving." Split yes. But the OP noted the 60% approval is new since the ruling. The point was, again, Ye Blind Partisans, that the ruling has affected how doctors see ACA as they actually take a closer look. That a ruling can have this effect is interesting, as is the acknowledgement that so many didn't actually know what's in the bill.

Fellow -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 10:43:48 AM)
quote: I'm calling bullshit. The medical indistry doesn't have losses because of people unable to pay, I have losses. They don't lose shit. They just charge more of the people who CAN pay like me. They do have large losses. Also, they pass them to a consumer as much as they can (there is a limit). It is better not to have this inconvenient problem. 99% of the doctors would be against the bill if for example I would add the sentence: In order to reduce the cost, the doctors salaries will be adjusted to the average OECD country level. [ http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/15/how-much-do-doctors-in-other-countries-make/ ]. Obama care pushes more public money into health care (the care cost problem is very poorly addressed) and everybody working for the health care will be better off.

SadistDave -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 11:16:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Funny, this poll seems to tell a different story entirely. It really doesn't: "60% approving and 37.7% disapproving." Split yes. But the OP noted the 60% approval is new since the ruling. The point was, again, Ye Blind Partisans, that the ruling has affected how doctors see ACA as they actually take a closer look. That a ruling can have this effect is interesting, as is the acknowledgement that so many didn't actually know what's in the bill. Okay, so you don't know the difference between an intern and a doctor.... Brilliant! Actually though, I think you've hit a good idea for a common sense compromise to Obamacare. Liberals can have their medical care taken care of by interns on the government dole, and everyone else can get their insurance and have actual doctors take care of them. We'll see who lasts longer... -SD-

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 11:29:01 AM)
quote: Okay, so you don't know the difference between an intern and a doctor. I do, you don't. An Internist is a specialist in Internal Medicine. Many family doctors are Internists.

SadistDave -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 11:33:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Okay, so you don't know the difference between an intern and a doctor. I do, you don't. An Internist is a specialist in Internal Medicine. Many family doctors are Internists. No. Apparently you don't have a clue what an intern is. An intern is a doctor-in-training who is between graduation and getting a medical license. Interns must be supervised by licensed doctors. -SD- Nope, you're right... I'm thinking interns... Unfortunately that is only one segment... a category... and unless you have some sort of evidence that the number of internists significantly outnumber all the other types of doctors, then I am more than willing to accept the data from the article stating they are split on whether they approve or disapprove of ACA... -SD-

TheHeretic -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 12:03:08 PM)
Right, Dave. And an intern is not the same as an internist. By a long shot. Since we are on the subject of medical specialties though, do you know the difference between a urologist and a hematologist? The hematologist pricks your finger...

SadistDave -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 12:53:42 PM)
ROFLMAO! Just so you know, I'll be stealing that joke... -SD-

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 2:15:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Okay, so you don't know the difference between an intern and a doctor. I do, you don't. An Internist is a specialist in Internal Medicine. Many family doctors are Internists. No. Apparently you don't have a clue what an intern is. An intern is a doctor-in-training who is between graduation and getting a medical license. Interns must be supervised by licensed doctors. -SD- Nope, you're right... I'm thinking interns... Unfortunately that is only one segment... a category... and unless you have some sort of evidence that the number of internists significantly outnumber all the other types of doctors, then I am more than willing to accept the data from the article stating they are split on whether they approve or disapprove of ACA... -SD- I know what an intern is. I also know the article said internist. Definition of an internist Internists are qualified physicians with postgraduate training in internal medicine and should not be confused with "interns", who are doctors in their first year of residency training.[2] Although internists may act as primary care physicians, they are not "family physicians," "family practitioners," or "general practitioners," whose training is not solely concentrated on adults and may include surgery, obstetrics, and pediatrics. The American College of Physicians defines internists as "physicians who specialize in the prevention, detection and treatment of illnesses in adults".[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_medicine

SadistDave -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 5:34:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Okay, so you don't know the difference between an intern and a doctor. I do, you don't. An Internist is a specialist in Internal Medicine. Many family doctors are Internists. No. Apparently you don't have a clue what an intern is. An intern is a doctor-in-training who is between graduation and getting a medical license. Interns must be supervised by licensed doctors. -SD- Nope, you're right... I'm thinking interns... Unfortunately that is only one segment... a category... and unless you have some sort of evidence that the number of internists significantly outnumber all the other types of doctors, then I am more than willing to accept the data from the article stating they are split on whether they approve or disapprove of ACA... -SD- I know what an intern is. I also know the article said internist. Definition of an internist Internists are qualified physicians with postgraduate training in internal medicine and should not be confused with "interns", who are doctors in their first year of residency training.[2] Although internists may act as primary care physicians, they are not "family physicians," "family practitioners," or "general practitioners," whose training is not solely concentrated on adults and may include surgery, obstetrics, and pediatrics. The American College of Physicians defines internists as "physicians who specialize in the prevention, detection and treatment of illnesses in adults".[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_medicine You're a little late there, and pointlessly so. I already corrected myself almost immediately after realized my own error. The general doucheiness of posting a definition 2 1/2 hours after I corrected my own wrong statement sort of sums up what I've suspected about your character for a very long time. Thanks for the confirmation on that score. (Ain't timestamps grand?) But back to the topic, you never did answer my actual question about the number of internists in relationship to the number of other categories of practicing doctors. The only way your wrong assertion about the majority of doctors approving of ACA is for you to be able to show that there are enough internists to make up a majority of doctors. Your premise is false otherwise, and I maintain that at best, they are split fairly evenly in their approval/disapproval of Obamacare. -SD-

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 5:41:23 PM)
Gosh, Dave. Seems I had better things to do than watch the Sunday play by play. If you're seeing douchiness everywhere, maybe that's something to wonder about. Again, you've missed the point. It's not a claim that doctors in droves are rushing to support ACA; it's that some doctors are changing their minds after the ruling and after getting better acquainted with ACA. That this happened as a result of the ruling is interesting and the point of the article.

tazzygirl -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 5:51:50 PM)
According to the 2010 American Medical Association Physician Masterfile, there are slightly more than 246,000 primary care physicians in the United States. This number, however, overestimates the number of practicing physicians and needs to be adjusted because the AMA Physician Masterfile includes some retired physicians and others who have left the workforce and a substantial number of primary care trained physicians now practice in non-primary care settings, including as hospitalists and in emergency departments. After adjusting for these two factors, the number of practicing primary care physicians in the U.S. is estimated to be approximately 209,000. FP 87,650 GP 11,883 GER 3,260 GIM 93,655 PD 49,642 Total 246,090 Abbreviations: FP = Family Practice, GER = Geriatrics, GP =General Practice, GIM= General Internal Medicine, PD = General Pediatrics. http://www.ahrq.gov/research/pcwork1.htm

SadistDave -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 6:09:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Gosh, Dave. Seems I had better things to do than watch the Sunday play by play. If you're seeing douchiness everywhere, maybe that's something to wonder about. Again, you've missed the point. It's not a claim that doctors in droves are rushing to support ACA; it's that some doctors are changing their minds after the ruling and after getting better acquainted with ACA. That this happened as a result of the ruling is interesting and the point of the article. If that's your point, fine, lol... perhaps you should have said that to begin with instead of trying to convince us that there is a majority of doctors in support of the ACA. That was in your title. Now you're walking it back to: It's just an interesting thing that some doctors have decided they like it. Which I don't think anyone would have disagreed with. For people who like ACA it is interesting in a good way. Even people like me who don't like it would probably view it with a sort of dread fascination, but it would still be hard to disagree with. "Some" doctors changing their minds is a far cry from the "majority" you originally claimed supported it. LOL, I'm following the Sunday play by play because it's too damned hot to get any sleep... That's why I'm a little more douchie than usual myself... -SD-

Musicmystery -> RE: Majority of docs support, public uniformed on reform ruling (7/8/2012 7:13:32 PM)
quote: That was in your title. ...you originally claimed supported it. Dave, it's the title of the article, and I copied the article without comment or claim. The rest is you guys.

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