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In which dimension other than this one do you do 100% of your business in, Yachtie. In trying to make an arguement to slam the President, you completely go the opposite direction of fundmentally held principles and concepts to Business 101. If you own a business, I have to seriously wonder, based on your 'view points' if those around keep you as a figure head with no real power. If businesses where to hold your beliefs, they would be out of commision quite rapidly....
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
So, an employee is "helping" an employer by the simple fact of accepting employment for compensation.
Actually that is the unstated reason for obtaining a job. Whether to scoop ice cream for a summer job, or be the principle person in charge of constructing the next US carrier for 2015. It is implied that the employee will do as the employer desires (within reason, safety, and legal issues), in exchange for an agree upon compensation. All those people at the Best Buy? They are all helping the bottom line. Some are just more motivated than others. Management Theory 202 states its up to the manager to find out what thing or things motivate an employee to do more for the company's benefit. Most people, do not react favoribly towards threats, which I suspect is your managing style. If an employee isnt doing as management wishs, its up to the management to figure out how to change the situtation for the better (letting the person go is often the last resort).
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
I've owned and operated a small business and never!, not even once, did I have a prospective employee state that their desire was to help me by accepting employment.
If the employee has to do this, than lets be frank....your an idiot. Its implied without saying that the employee will do their share to help the business do well. You want them to be 'johnny on the spot', than your going to pay the 'johnny on the spot' cost. Or are you someone that demands someone gives you
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Actually, their desire was to provide for themselves and if anyone was offering anything that could be even remotely construed an offer of help it was me.
Pot calling the kettle black! Do you do things for employees that cost your company above and beyond their normal stated compentation? Your personality, if this post of yours is to be believed, is the employees are all dead beats that do the bare minimal work for the maximuim profit. Sounds like management should have its style and skills improved on. Oh wait, isn't that the 'jist' of what the President stated that a business can grow and prosper by events and people that have a positive effect on it?
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Most of them had a minimum they wished to be paid.
Then take only enough money from your business to pay for fixed personal costs. If your car is better than a 'junk heap', toss and get a junk heap. Cloths? Sorry, you have access to a 'thrift store' at best. Food? You dont get to eat out, get take out, or have anything better than that found in a MRE. Additional expenses and costs? Well, your not pocketing anything for retirement, you dont have any investments, nor could you afford to see the final Batman movie in the theater. Do all this, and THEN, you can state that. You bitch and moan once, your a hypocrit! People have a minimal level for a job to which they wish to be paid. Some are reasonable and some are not. But it is their decision to accept the job offer. Both sides have expectations that are real and not and only time will sort of the truths and facts.
I suspect the employees take on an extra 10-15% if your going to be their direct manager. To deal with a manager that is a moron on business concepts.
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
It's quite akin to using a garage to fix your car. You're not there to help them. You're there to get your damn car fixed and there will be a bill attached.
An in giving the mechanic money, did you end up helping them? Yes. Did you use the garage to fix your car? Yes. So it seems the normal acceptable practices of business that have been around for a few hundred years if not thousands are correct. But yet you dont look at it that way. Have news for ya.....your in the minority of one against a few billion that say otherwise.
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
The liberal thought process on this is massively idiotic. I swear, the liberal must think that people get ill so as to help a doctor's practice or a hospital, both being a business, somewhere. I mean, really, the doc could not conduct business without that massive help from their patients. And of course the doc got helped by their teachers. Didn't cost the doc much now, did it? All those hours put in. And the residency!!! Lordy does that doc owe others for his success.
You dont even know the definition of the word 'liberal'. Maybe you should check it to see if your using it correctly in this instance....
medical doctors has been helping patients for thousands of years. Well before the concept of the corporation or hospital was put into use. The doctors themselves were known under a wide variety of names. Without patients, there would be no doctors.
The medical doctor, even after his training must....STILL....learn things. Do you really think most medical doctors operate in an educational vaccum AFTER they graduate? Every single year they have to learn new things. New drugs, new treatments, new bedside manners. They gain this immense knowledge from those around them. Some of the treatments we have today were not even a concept when doctors were graduating back in the 70's and 80's. So how did they aquire all this knowledge?
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Then there are bank loans. That too is construed as help by the liberal.
Bank loans are the creation and advertisement for liberals? Are you sane? Bank loans have been around since BEFORE the United States of America existed. How can you even begin to argue that they are the creation of modern day (2012) liberals? Bank loans are the creation of.....BANKS. That's why they are called 'bank loans', Yachtie. A bank loan (much like a federal loan) is set up to help a company grow by providing needed capital up-front without giving control of the company to another entity. Most banks will desire to see what their giving money for, how things are set up (aka a business plan), and the conditions to pay the loan back. Bankers with any sense will desire their money be paid back in full and some are known to be....liberal....enough to help change the contract for both side's betterment. This concept has nothing to do with politics, let alone liberal politics. If loans were the tools of those evil liberals, than I'll just throw off my student loans. Cus only liberals go to college....... [:P]
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Need help and here come the banks. Oh!!! Should I mention their help comes at a price? So many got help from banks. Gives one such a warm fuzzy. But for so many it's 'help' they could never repay. AND THEY DIDN'T The banks reneged on their offer of help and foreclosed. Oh, that's right. There was a contract. Again, the liberal thought process on this is massively idiotic.
I believe most who understand the business world, the concepts of business, and even hold common sense, will figure out, which entity is the 'massive idiot' of your post. I could explain it...
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