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Marini -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 12:35:49 PM)
Malcolm this one is just too damn easy. I feel like I am taking candy from a newborn. No one here stated that women don't murder, and indeed women have murdered and committed heinous crimes throughout history. Did anyone say that women don't murder or commit heinous crimes??? The FACTS are men commit most of the murders in the world, period. And they ALWAYS HAVE committed most of the murders in the world, as far as I know. Throughout history and until TODAY, men commit most/percentage wise of the murders. This is not my opinion, these are facts. Don't take my word on it, google it! I am home cooking and cleaning, I have plenty of time. I am getting my numbers from government statistics. Census.gov/crime and crime rates US Census/gov. Homicide Trends 1980-2008 If you can come up with ANY time in the recorded history of the WORLD, that men have not committed more murders than women, I will be waiting. In fact, I KNOW this is an impossible statistical task for you. IF you can find ANY time in the recorded history of the WORLD that women have even come close to committing as many murders as men, please let me know. Let's check sociology and gender. {I love psychology/sociology} Oh! I know I will check GLOBALLY/ALL THE COUNTRIES in the WORLD!!! Global Statistics of Crime/Homicides Oh MY! IT'S GLOBALLY WORSE THAN I THOUGHT------ MEN have higher murder rates AROUND THE WORLD/GLOBALLY----by 80% to 90%. Though it's been over 20 years since I took Sociology 101, I thought almost everyone KNEW these sort of facts. Lights on, anyone home? [sm=idea.gif] Have a great day.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:09:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Malcolm this one is just too damn easy. I feel like I am taking candy from a newborn. No one here stated that women don't murder, and indeed women have murdered and committed heinous crimes throughout history. Did anyone say that women don't murder or commit heinous crimes??? The FACTS are men commit most of the murders in the world, period. And they ALWAYS HAVE committed most of the murders in the world, as far as I know. Throughout history and until TODAY, men commit most/percentage wise of the murders. This is not my opinion, these are facts. Don't take my word on it, google it! I am home cooking and cleaning, I have plenty of time. I am getting my numbers from government statistics. Census.gov/crime and crime rates US Census/gov. Homicide Trends 1980-2008 If you can come up with ANY time in the recorded history of the WORLD, that men have not committed more murders than women, I will be waiting. In fact, I KNOW this is an impossible statistical task for you. IF you can find ANY time in the recorded history of the WORLD that women have even come close to committing as many murders as men, please let me know. Let's check sociology and gender. {I love psychology/sociology} Oh! I know I will check GLOBALLY/ALL THE COUNTRIES in the WORLD!!! Global Statistics of Crime/Homicides Oh MY! IT'S GLOBALLY WORSE THAN I THOUGHT------ MEN have higher murder rates AROUND THE WORLD/GLOBALLY----by 80% to 90%. Though it's been over 20 years since I took Sociology 101, I thought almost everyone KNEW these sort of facts. Lights on, anyone home? [sm=idea.gif] Have a great day. That sounds sexist to me.

TheAmericanDream -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:23:44 PM)
I am sure I have no idea what this article is talking about. Sounds like a bunch of nonsense and mumbo jumbo to be honest. Nothing to see, keep walking.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:26:51 PM)
http://www.wimp.com/viewpoints/

ReMakeYou -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:27:14 PM)
Best way of deciding whether you want to engage with feminists or not: If they're talking about men as violent, uncontrollable beasts, replace "men" with "blacks". If they're talking about men as conspiratorial schemers who control the world to line their own pockets, replace "men" with "jews". If their overall argument is that we're simultaneously mindless brutes and brilliant schemers, remind them that tinfoil keeps out the Patriarchy's mind-control rays.

TheAmericanDream -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:32:05 PM)
I just want to go on record as avidly pro-feminist. Audre Lorde and bell hooks are two of the writers on contemporary issues I admire most. Plus the angry, riotgirl feminists have always been hot and also basically right, even if they sometimes get confused as to exactly what they're right about.

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:32:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie That sounds sexist to me. Ya think? The fact is that women are just as, if not more, guilty of assault. Assault can become murder if the perpetrator is capable of creating enough damage. This is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I have seen many men be hit by their significant others and not report an assault. My own brother's wife threw our grandmother's antique Waterford crystal vase at his head when he was moving out because she was divorcing him. Do you think he reported that? Women get away with assault all the time because society says, "Aww, poor little baby. You got beat up by a girl." OTOH women are, in general, smaller and less capable of inflicting grievous harm on men. The intent is often there, but the ability is not. Please remember I am saying "in general." The type of mass killing that sparked this whole thread was a piece of racist claptrap by a rather horrid person. The racism of the piece being rejected you jumped on the sexism of the piece and held onto it like a cuddly teddy bear from your childhood. YOU were the one who said, "It's much easier to just say MEN-- and keep it moving. " I don't understand why you would want to keep a topic moving if you have already made your decision. You also make the assumption that, "everybody knows"=Truth. Usually "Everybody knows" means that people have just made assumptions and continued to propagate their biased opinions. You have taken a flawed argument and moved the goalposts so that you still have some group of people to blame. Blame individuals and stop blaming groups. His crime was that he didn't fit in well with her new friends in Washington D.C. ** Seriously, look Hugo Schwyzer up. He is not a good person.

Marini -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:39:49 PM)
Hi Malcolm, I have lookie on ignore, so I am talking to you. Malcolm, I did not start this thread, I came in around page 3 or so. My point was to get off the racism/color issue and change it to a gender issue. I admit, Take what you want and keep it moving, was a flippant response, on my part!! My point on all of this, was when it comes to the crime of murder, men are the perpetrators around 80% of the time, PERIOD. These are the statistical facts of the issue, and that was the only point I intended to make. I agree there are a lot of misconceptions on this thread/and almost every other thread on message boards. I always take what I want/and ignore the rest. I tend to address certain posters, and I am usually willing to respond to posters that are not insulting nor flaming. I have been online long enough to usually ignore those attempting to put words in my mouth, name calling, insults, etc My response was to you, and was based on your post to me. Thanks for responding. Have a great weekend! Peace

Marini -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 1:50:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheAmericanDream I just want to go on record as avidly pro-feminist. Audre Lorde and bell hooks are two of the writers on contemporary issues I admire most. Plus the angry, riotgirl feminists have always been hot and also basically right, even if they sometimes get confused as to exactly what they're right about. I love this!! Come on over to the dark side sweetie, I have been a bra burning feminist since I was about 13. I also consider myself a chef in the making and I make delicious healthy cookies. Come on over to the dark side, women like me are great fun, and most of us have cookies. [;)]

TheAmericanDream -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 2:16:38 PM)
quote: I love this!! Come on over to the dark side sweetie, I have been a bra burning feminist since I was about 13. I also consider myself a chef in the making and I make delicious healthy cookies. Come on over to the dark side, women like me are great fun, and most of us have cookies. Excellent. All quite excellent. quote: I love this!! Come on over to the dark side sweetie, I have been a bra burning feminist since I was about 13. I also consider myself a chef in the making and I make delicious healthy cookies. Come on over to the dark side, women like me are great fun, and most of us have cookies.

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 2:17:07 PM)
You didn't 'sound' as if you were saying, "Most murders are committed by men." You sounded as if you were saying, "Most murders are committed by men PERIOD." And you just did it again. quote: I always take what I want/and ignore the rest. This is a dangerous way of thinking. "John Allen Muhammad was a black man who..." "He's black! I told you black people are dangerous!" OR "His last name is Muhammad! I told you Muslims are out to get us!" OR "His first name is John! I told you those fricking Christians are up to no good!" OR "He's a man! We need to research parthenogenesis so that only women are born!" OR "His middle name is Allen! I don't know what it means but I AM BECOME ANGER! My take on it is that he was a criminal who perpetrated a horrendous scheme of terror in order to get his offshore account filled with money. It was always all about payday for him. Don't take away just what you want, take away the whole picture. If you don't you just become part of the institutional problem you are railing against. By making things about gender when they aren't you only serve to increase the divide. Feminism used to be about having equal rights, now it is about demonizing men and promoting women as superior. This is a very bad idea. Creating a war between women and men could have only one ending: women go back to being property, and not just the ones who want to be. That is my response to the way you sounded in your post. One other thing: Stop trying to make everything and everything about gender! A human walked into a building and commenced to slaughter random people. Period.

kalikshama -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 2:20:05 PM)
Using this argument, you'd agree that Ann Coulter speaks for all Republican women? quote: ORIGINAL: ReMakeYou Best way of deciding whether you want to engage with feminists or not: If they're talking about men as violent, uncontrollable beasts, replace "men" with "blacks". If they're talking about men as conspiratorial schemers who control the world to line their own pockets, replace "men" with "jews". If their overall argument is that we're simultaneously mindless brutes and brilliant schemers, remind them that tinfoil keeps out the Patriarchy's mind-control rays.

Marini -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 2:34:32 PM)
Malcolm, I agree with most of what you just said. I normally just walk away from threads with titles like this one, next time I will run away! I was correct with the statistics, you were correct that the statistics don't add anything worthwhile to this event. Thank you for being the type of person that can show me another way of looking at a topic, without being nasty or mean. Imagine message boards or a world where people could see things differently and come to a cyber agreement. Thank you!

ReMakeYou -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 2:37:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Using this argument, you'd agree that Ann Coulter speaks for all Republican women? It's not like republican women have separated themselves into a distinct group from the republican mainstream. But yes. To the degree that the republicans will support the Coulters and Palins of the world instead of castigating them, I do get the idea that their views are appreciated by the mainstream. It's cool with feminism, though. I fully understand that you're Not All Like That.

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 3:13:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marini Malcolm, I agree with most of what you just said. I normally just walk away from threads with titles like this one, next time I will run away! I was correct with the statistics, you were correct that the statistics don't add anything worthwhile to this event. Thank you for being the type of person that can show me another way of looking at a topic, without being nasty or mean. Imagine message boards or a world where people could see things differently and come to a cyber agreement. Thank you! Don't run away, use them to learn. If nothing else, use them to learn how other people think and react to different situations. I am a long standing member of another board (for about 15 years) where they taught me hot to make points this way. I used to be a hothead too. I am not going to mention which board because they will not appreciate a gang of pervs joining in - children read that board. It's a geek board with people from all over the world. We had to learn how to communicate with each other over a period of years. The end result was that we could talk about just about anything without recrimination. That's not entirely true: they still put a "WARNING MALCOLMNATHANIEL* DON'T READ THIS" in front of stories about child abuse. Mostly because that'll start me talking about my itchy trigger finger. See, I have hot buttons too. Learning to recognize those buttons and still have a decent conversation is all part of growing wiser. * I am a pervert, but none of them know it. Sshhh. ** Not my name on that site.

TNDommeK -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 3:30:38 PM)
Why would anyone have Lookie on hide?? His posts are hilarious, at times. None of My business though... Back to reading ya'lls debate, very interesting.

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 4:17:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK Back to reading ya'lls debate, very interesting. We are not having a debate, we are having a discussion. Regardless of the fact that you use a picture of a puppy as your avatar, some of us take these things very seriously. For instance you would never find me posting a picture like this: So three Nazis walk into a BAR: [image]http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/1/1e/SoGIJoe4.jpg/400px-SoGIJoe4.jpg[/image]

FullCircle -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 4:28:45 PM)
quote: Every killer makes his pain another's problem. But only those who've marinated in privilege can conclude that their private pain is the entire world's problem with which to deal. This is why, while men of all races and classes murder their intimate partners, it is privileged young white dudes who are by far the likeliest to shoot up schools and movie theaters. This is the kind of thing someone would conclude to their best mate in a pub after having been drinking for the entire afternoon. I'm sure the PhD is in the post. I thought he did what he did because he was having delusions about being the Joker, the simplest explanation and all that.

MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 4:51:38 PM)
A lunatic went on a killing spree. Trying to explain it using terms that regular people can understand is an exercise in futility. I had a long post but I will shorten the entire thing to this: It doesn't matter why he did what he did. He became a monster and he needs to be removed from society.

TNDommeK -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 7:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK Back to reading ya'lls debate, very interesting. We are not having a debate, we are having a discussion. Regardless of the fact that you use a picture of a puppy as your avatar, some of us take these things very seriously. For instance you would never find me posting a picture like this: So three Nazis walk into a BAR: [image]http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/1/1e/SoGIJoe4.jpg/400px-SoGIJoe4.jpg[/image] Ahem Cute puppy.

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