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MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 8:25:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

Back to reading ya'lls debate, very interesting.



We are not having a debate, we are having a discussion. Regardless of the fact that you use a picture of a puppy as your avatar, some of us take these things very seriously. For instance you would never find me posting a picture like this:

So three Nazis walk into a BAR:

[image]http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/1/1e/SoGIJoe4.jpg/400px-SoGIJoe4.jpg[/image]


*Ahem* Cute puppy.



Double *ahem*

Saying cute puppy is redundant. It's like saying sunny sun, wet water or Hot Alessandra Torresani. OK so I have a little crush on her. Sue me.




cloudboy -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/28/2012 8:54:53 PM)

>Lax gun laws provided the means for the Colorado theater massacre. A yet-unexplained psychotic break provided the likely motive. And at least in part, white male privilege determined both the location and the scale.< Article Referenced by OP

Mass killers are extremely deliberate and determined and, no pun intended, dead set on murders,” said Fox, whose books include “Extreme Killing: Understanding Serial and Mass Murder.” “They will find the weapons they need regardless of what impediments we put in front of them. It’s not an impulsive act.”

Also, I find this "And at least in part, white male privilege determined both the location and the scale" insane. White male privilege picked The Batman Movie at a movie theater's Midnight Show?

My anecdotal contribution to the theory would be: white guys seem like the biggest gun nuts to me.

Lastly, I would agree that when minorities go on a Mass Killing Spree the media looks for racial and religious reasons, but when a white guy goes on a bender his race and religion are not examined as closely.




Aswad -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/29/2012 4:49:40 AM)

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Come on over to the dark side sweetie, I have been a bra burning feminist since I was about 13.


As the son of someone that had a breast reduction due to back problems, I would have to say bra burning is one of the most ludicrous artifacts of the period in question. The Shieldmaidens used bras, as did the gladiatrices, and while I'm not sure if the Spartan women who arranged the countersports events when they were barred from competing in Greek sporting events wore bras during the actual events (sports were nude at the time, hence the puritan Greeks barring them), they certainly did wear them the rest of the time.

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Come on over to the dark side, women like me are great fun, and most of us have cookies.


Great fun, no doubt. But the question isn't one of cookies. I can make cookies. I also make a fiendish lasagne.

As for statistics, where I live, men and women are about equally subject to violence and threats thereof in all age groups, but women are disporportionately concerned about it. Risk adverse behavior in women adequately accounts for the disparity in violence when we correct for drug and alcohol abuse, the pattern of which is shifting together with other gender stereotypies, leading to further parity in violent tendencies. In short, risk adversity seems to be the only biological difference in disposition to violence between the genders, going by the detailed statistics kept over the past 30 years here. The rest is cultural.

In terms of domestic violence, the genders are at parity now, with women accounting for slightly more violence than men if you include violence directed at children, where they are significantly overrepresented but inflict less severe injuries due to less strength with which to do so. Statistics for abuse are slightly beyond parity, and well beyond parity if we include emotional abuse. Statistics for sexual abuse are not yet at parity, but recent studies indicate underreporting may bring the figure to parity. Risk adversity is still a major factor in sexual abuse, with women more likely by an order of magnitude to pick a target they can successfully abuse and get away with.

That last bit frequently means minors, and the abuse usually continues until the minor reaches an age where the disparity in physical strength reverses and the minor becomes able to physically prevent the abuse. Suspicion is rare, detection rarer, and conviction is all but unheard of, even in the presence of videotaped evidence showing the faces of the perpetrator(s). By contrast, for example, a man is currently being charged on the basis that his couch has the same pattern as the couch on which an unknown assailant is having sex with an unknown woman in what appears to be an unconscious state, and police expects this will be sufficient to convict. Similarly, paraphrasing a recent rape case with a male victim: "you're a man, so you should shut up and enjoy it."

As far as I can tell, humanity's darker impulses are evenly distributed, but men exhibit poorer impulse control in the age group 18 through 24, and women exhibit greater risk adversity throughout their life, with this adequately accounting for the differences in the culture corrected outcomes, but some cultural stereotypes still influence both behaviors, reporting and conviction rates for both genders. A society with true equality seems unlikely to see socially significant disparity in many areas beyond that of fear/yielding (feminine) and drive/ambition (masculine). Our genetic recipe is largely shared between genders, and the differences have been beneficial for the past million years or so.

Personally, I've always found it more interesting whether John/Jane is X than whether men/women are, for any value of X.

IWYW,
— Aswad.





thishereboi -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/29/2012 5:12:10 AM)

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That sounds sexist to me.



Ya think?

The fact is that women are just as, if not more, guilty of assault. Assault can become murder if the perpetrator is capable of creating enough damage.

This is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I have seen many men be hit by their significant others and not report an assault. My own brother's wife threw our grandmother's antique Waterford crystal vase at his head when he was moving out because she was divorcing him*. Do you think he reported that?

Women get away with assault all the time because society says, "Aww, poor little baby. You got beat up by a girl." OTOH women are, in general, smaller and less capable of inflicting grievous harm on men. The intent is often there, but the ability is not. Please remember I am saying "in general." The type of mass killing that sparked this whole thread was a piece of racist claptrap by a rather horrid person**. The racism of the piece being rejected you jumped on the sexism of the piece and held onto it like a cuddly teddy bear from your childhood.

YOU were the one who said, "It's much easier to just say MEN-- and keep it moving. "

I don't understand why you would want to keep a topic moving if you have already made your decision. You also make the assumption that, "everybody knows"=Truth. Usually "Everybody knows" means that people have just made assumptions and continued to propagate their biased opinions.

You have taken a flawed argument and moved the goalposts so that you still have some group of people to blame. Blame individuals and stop blaming groups.


*His crime was that he didn't fit in well with her new friends in Washington D.C.
** Seriously, look Hugo Schwyzer up. He is not a good person.


If you want to be taken seriously you might want to look up the word "assault"

I would say things would be looking up if that is as far as anyone ever took an argument.




mons -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/29/2012 5:57:13 AM)

As a child in the in my city I was scared to death of
white people, my father would bring him papers that (I do not
know where they came from) but they had murder victims, bodies
blood anything and everything about white mass murders, or just murder!

It just made me frighten for my life, but my father was wrong to even
bring papers like this into our home! It was crimes against everyone they
saw!

This is bias and I know now this is not all of the way true! But after that shooting
in the moive place I was frighten someone would start shooting in the market! I got out
very fast! Some will say that many black people shoot up things as well!

The difference is they are shooting at gangs members and hit other but it is so
different you will never hear of a black person going into a moive house and then shooting strangers! '

Also a black man would not be aloud just to roam outside of a business! Without someone seeing him and doing the
Zimmerman on him well they would call the police instead no one is that dumb, as our friendly person Zimmerman!

But I think can only remember once a black person shoot up total strangers he was a man in the navy! I
I am not sure what year it was in but I think it was the 70's! But other then that I just do not remember it happening
at all?

Please correct me if I am wrong!

Mons ( now we are not talking of those dumb ass gang banger they are shooting at one another, they will hit someone but it was not there target) ok I have open a can of worms!!!!




DarkSteven -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/29/2012 6:13:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini
I have been a bra burning feminist since I was about 13.



Just make sure you're not wearing the bra when you burn it.




Phoenixpower -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/29/2012 6:24:18 AM)


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My guess is that he ONLY used those murders that were reported in the media...


indeed....and I do remember discussions back in the UK about how at times the ethnic background decides how much the crime is being reported about....as it was in january 2006 when two murderers happened near where I lived at the same time night...one of them a white british lawyer who was being murdered and in the newspapers all the time still months later....whereas the bangladeshi corner shop owner wasn't interesting enough to be much in the news...I actually only heard about that incident as I lived near there and so read the notes about his murder on the streets where police was hoping to find whitnesses...




Missokyst -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/29/2012 8:53:48 AM)

People often mistake assault for battery, since often the terms are linked together.
Assault = threat
Battery = contact
Assault is not going to lead to murder unless the perp knew there was some underlying condition that might respond to constant threat of danger. And for that to lead to a "charge" or murder would be very unlikely.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
If you want to be taken seriously you might want to look up the word "assault"

I would say things would be looking up if that is as far as anyone ever took an argument.





slutboii -> RE: why most mass murderers are privileged white men (7/30/2012 8:11:56 AM)

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