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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 10:20:06 AM

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That's sort of my point: McCain gets a free pass for making propaganda broadcasts while a POW, but Kerry's a traitor because he attended a few antiwar protests?

Comparing apples to oranges again, eh moonhead?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 10:21:28 AM

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I think hes pointing out that somebody else is.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 10:31:17 AM

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Hypocrisy, thy name is far left ideologue.

The op doesn't know what a draft dodger is. Draft dodgers broke the law. They burned their draft cards, they hid in Canada

Bill Clinton is a draft dodger, and he bombed foreign countries

Barack Obama never enlisted, and he is sending our little baby children off to die

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 10:59:08 AM

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Bullshit...Kerry was a self-decorated.

How does one "self decorate"?

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therefore dishonorable Navy Officer, who protested the Vietnam War to launch his political career.

So your position is that he was really for the war but protested it to get elected to public office and not because he was against the war?

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During his sworn testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Kerry, still a Navy Officer, not only vilified all Vietnam Veterans based solely on heresay and our military/government officials up to the highest levels but, moreover, he also self-incriminated himself as a bonefied TRAITOR and WAR CRIMINAL.

Perhaps you should go back and reread the testimony...you are mistaken.

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As a member of the military, morever as a Navy Officer, Kerry did not have the right to protest the actions of our military/government officials...recall what happened to an Army General and an Army Lt Col who disagreed with Obama's actions.

Once again you are wrong on the facts and wrong on the conclusion. Please show us the law that says that kerry was not allowed to protest?
What was it again that the soldier boy did that got his ass tossed in the
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Keep obfuscating the fact that Obama CANNOT run/win on his record, therefore his only hope is to attack Romney. "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from." -- Barack HUSSEIN Obama

Ain't he the big eared phoquer who had obl snuffed? Was that the record you were refering to?

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And, just for your edification, I already set the example for you white-flag waving liberals by having voluntarily enlisted in the U.S. Army during the height of the Vietnam War.

We all appreciate your candor. Just what part of the viet nam war were you in favor of? How was that justified by the constitution?

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And, unlike John FRAUD TRAIOR WAR CRIMINAL Kerry, I received my "Honorable Discharge" in a normal and timely manner.

How long after you got out of the service did you get your "honorable discharge"?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 11:02:32 AM

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How does one "self decorate"?

Huntie, thats more a high ranking officers priviledge, couple of generals running around with ribbons they didnt get, and now, it is explicitly legal to lie about your decorations, since so many who did it are teabaggers and neo-cons. Notorious chickenhawks who haven't every served outside the airport bathrooms.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 11:03:14 AM

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Moonie, I would give McCain a pass on that one, he was a Guest at the Hanoi Hilton, and the NVA was not known to be very accommodating.

Very true, but there were a lot more inmates who didn't make any broadcasts.

Maybe, just MAYBE, that was because no other inmate had a Navy Admiral for a father!

Not only his daddy but his granddaddy were both admirals. The vietnamese offered to give him back. Probably figured that with him back in a plane he could do more good for them than he would in the joint. He ,by that time, had already become an ace by destroying 5 u.s. aircraft.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 11:09:42 AM

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Did he make propoganda broadcasts for the vietcong?
If we're talking about traitors who weren't prosecuted, he'd have to do a lot of traitorous stuff to give Sorebutt McCain any competition...

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Was Kerry captured and tortured for several years in the Hanoi Hilton by the vietcong?

Neither was ace mccain.
Have you some proof of this..I mean besides ace mccains word? How many of his fellow "guest" at the hanoi hilton have validated his story???besides the two stooges who work for his father in law?

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John TRAITOR Kerry's portrait, along with Jane HANOI Fonda's protrait, once hung (are still hanging?) in a prominent place of honor in North Vietnam's War Museum.

Why does that bother you?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 11:52:43 AM

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Quite probably.
Of course, if his dad hadn't been an admiral, he wouldn't have got sent up in any more jets after the first couple he wrecked, so that one cuts both ways...

Ace mccain has five dead airplanes to his credit.

Yes, but one of the first couple was nothing to do with him, so it wasn't until he wrecked the other arsing about that anybody else would have been sent into a different branch of the service where he could cause less damage to his country's war effort.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 12:03:55 PM

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Anyone know if he supported or protested the Viet Nam war?
If he supported the war,this could have some traction with many Americans.

Owner, cupcake the year was 1965.
It was MOST certainly the Vietnam War!
He supported the Vietnam War but dodged the draft.
Click on the link, there is a picture of him holding a PRO-war sign!

Marini, the "PRO-war" sign was, "Speak out! Don't sit in!"

That's PRO war?!?

Amazing. Now, I do understand that he was standing in protest of a Vietnam War protest, but, still, that doesn't make it a PRO-war sign.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 12:26:00 PM

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Marini, the "PRO-war" sign was, "Speak out! Don't sit in!"

That's PRO war?!?

Amazing. Now, I do understand that he was standing in protest of a Vietnam War protest, but, still, that doesn't make it a PRO-war sign.

I didn't catch that. That sounds like a pretty solid call for people to avail themselves of their constitutional rights.

No "Ho Chi Minh Should Die!"? No "Take A Bath You Dirty Hippie!"? That's right. He's one of those eebil conservatives that wants to take away everyone's rights and doesn't want their voices heard and doesn't want them participating in the political process.

I think I like Governor Romney even more, now. He goes to a protest to protest anti-war demonstrators and brings a positive message.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 1:18:36 PM

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Protest is often the most sincere form of Patriotisim....

Addressed communist organized, ANTI-WAR rallies...He was not advocating Communism, he was advocating the stopping of an unjust war, perpetrated by a LIE, and prosecuted by AMERICAN youths at the direction of a misguided government, based on a theory.....in plain terms The Viet Nam War was BULLSHIT!

How many assassinations were carried out?.... Was his knowledge DIRECT? If so, why no prosecution for conspiracy?

Possible....love that word...."that may be true or may be the case, as something concerning which one has no knowledge to the contrary"
I'd hang him for POSSIBLE...

"When he met with representatives of the North Vietnamese government and subsequently presented the communist plan for US withdrawl to the congress, was he doing that to ridicule the communists?" I doubt ridicule was his intent, but perhaps stopping a war might have been, you would have preferred that the war last even longer? Was he giving aid to an enemy? If so , why was he not prosecuted?

Sound bites make for a weak argument, when at the time most of what is said in your response was and is illegal, yet no prosecution, could it be, there was very little evidence? Conjecture does not make for a good prosecution, now does it? Really doesn't even make a good debate.

Where's that umpire?

Active duty military personnel protesting a war, especially in uniform, has always been a serious violation of the UCMJ...punishable by Courts Martial, reduction in rank, fine, imprisonment, "Dishonorable" (enlisted personnel) or "Less Than Honorable" (officers) discharge and loss of any/all benefits.

Kerry was the COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA's VVAW spokesperson at ANTI-WAR rallies and on Capitol Hill...he may not have been advocating Communism but he definitely was advocating Communist North Vietnam's demands...that we/South Vietnam accept NVA's terms for ending a war which they had started and we had effectly won during the Spring '68 TeT Offensive..."misguided, based on a [Domino] theory" my ass...within a year of our ending our involvement in Vietnam, Communist North Vietnam had invaded and taken over South Vietnam and murdered several million more Vietnamese than had been killed during the war itself, and soon also took over Cambodia and Laos (proving the Domino theory was not misguided)...in plain English your opinions of the Vietnam War and John Kerry are BULLSHIT!

"How many assassinations were carried out?"...love your obfuscating the issue...a Communist organization for which Kerry was the national spokesperson developed plans to assassinate several prominent politicians and you give him a pass because they didn't carry out any assassinations. Kerry himself said he left the VVAW's "Winter Soldier" meeting in Chicago as soon as they began discussing those assassinations...therefore I'd say he did indeed have DIRECT knowledge. Why no prosecution for conspiracy? Politics.

Treason: aiding and abeting the enemy...I love that definition...punishable by execution...I love that punishment...I'd hang John F. Kerry and Jane Fonda for TREASON.

The U.S. Constitution contains no allowance for the purpose/reason Kerry met with the North Vietnamese leadership and subsequently encouraged the U.S. government to accept North Vietnam's terms of U.S. withdrawal...doing so constituted treason (aiding and abeting the enemy), plain and simple. Since we had already won the war on the battlefields I would have preferred Kerry to have encouraged North Vietnam to accept President Nixon's "Peace With Honor" terms of surrender, which not only would have ended the war several years before it did but also would have prevented North Vietnamese Communists from taking over not only South Vietnam but Cambodia and Laos as well. Why no prosecution? Politics.

Why no prosecution makes for a very weak arguement, especially when you can't refute the truth. Obfuscation and/or misguided opinion does not make for credible debate.

The umpire is right here...Truth B. Told. Apparantly you're blind.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 1:31:12 PM

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VVAW

From the link:

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VVAW national leader Al Hubbard appointed Kerry to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971. Kerry made his greatest contribution to the anti-war movement and to VVAW in his speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 23, 1971.

Hence the references to "Kerry's organization" that floated around, years ago. However:

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By 1972, John Kerry had moved on from VVAW. He was not one of the original founding members of VVAW in 1967.

Your distinction of him, speaking in front of people, carrying communist banners and marching under same is interesting.

Do you think his addresses were to point out the error of the communists' ways or to inflame them?

When he met with representatives of the North Vietnamese government and subsequently presented the communist plan for US withdrawl to the congress, was he doing that to ridicule the communists?

As an executive officer of the VVAW, do you think he had any say in their banner or their platform?

In all fairness to Senator Heinz ... Ooooops! I meant Mr. Heinz ... I mean Sen. Kerry, he resigned from the VVAW after attending the meeting in kansas City where plans to assassinate US senators and congressmen were discussed. That is according to FBI files. Apparently, he did so, immediately yet he failed to report the conspiracy to murder elected officials of the US to the proper authorities (or at least, his chain of command).

So, while still an officer in the Naval reserve, "saint" John ...

1) Addressed communist rallies
2) indulged in possible "private negotiations" (By his own admission, he may be guilty of that; on top of his war crimes)
3) acted as the spokesperson for a country with whom we were at war
4) witnessed a conspiracy to assassinate elected US officials and remained silent about it.

Indeed, an example of integrity and patriotism.

I haven't been able to find that photo of Kerry, marching under the banner bearing the hammer and sickle that was floating around years ago but, I will.

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Let's not forget that VVAW National Executive Director Al Hubbard LIED about being a former Air Force Captain with two years of service in Vietnam and a Purple Heart receipient when in fact he was a former Air Force Staff Sergeant with no record of ever having been in Vietnam.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 1:38:39 PM

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Quite probably.
Of course, if his dad hadn't been an admiral, he wouldn't have got sent up in any more jets after the first couple he wrecked, so that one cuts both ways...

Of course, if you weren't such an ignoramous re any/all things military, your post just might have some value.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 1:50:54 PM

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"Prosecutions or lack thereof don't prove guilt or innocense." But to you, a lack thereof proves he was guilty?....Now there's some logic!

Nope. Comparing his own testimony under oath to the U.S. Constitution's definition of "treason" proves he was guilty. How's that for common-sense logic?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 1:52:30 PM

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Marini, the "PRO-war" sign was, "Speak out! Don't sit in!"

That's PRO war?!?

Amazing. Now, I do understand that he was standing in protest of a Vietnam War protest, but, still, that doesn't make it a PRO-war sign.

I didn't catch that. That sounds like a pretty solid call for people to avail themselves of their constitutional rights.

No "Ho Chi Minh Should Die!"? No "Take A Bath You Dirty Hippie!"? That's right. He's one of those eebil conservatives that wants to take away everyone's rights and doesn't want their voices heard and doesn't want them participating in the political process.

I think I like Governor Romney even more, now. He goes to a protest to protest anti-war demonstrators and brings a positive message.

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Unless one spoke out against the war......then they were demonized and character assassinated.....even to this very day, apparently.....

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 1:53:44 PM

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Quite probably.
Of course, if his dad hadn't been an admiral, he wouldn't have got sent up in any more jets after the first couple he wrecked, so that one cuts both ways...

Of course, if you weren't such an ignoramous re any/all things military, your post just might have some value.

Coming from somebody who thinks that servicemen can "self decorate" that's a bit rich.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 2:06:23 PM

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Did he make propoganda broadcasts for the vietcong?
If we're talking about traitors who weren't prosecuted, he'd have to do a lot of traitorous stuff to give Sorebutt McCain any competition...

Was Kerry captured and tortured for several years in the Hanoi Hilton by the vietcong?
John TRAITOR Kerry's portrait, along with Jane HANOI Fonda's protrait, once hung (are still hanging?) in a prominent place of honor in North Vietnam's War Museum.

There you go again, changing the subject.

I think you're scared to confront the fact that your guy is a crazy, and he's going to lose.

There you go again, changing the subject because you can't handle, much less refute, the facts/truth.

I think you're scared to admit the fact that your guy knows he will lose if he runs on his record, so the only thing he can do is attack his opponent. "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from." -- Barack HUSSEIN Obama, 2008

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 2:25:32 PM

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Where you been......?

The President is running on his record.

And kicking the shit out of Romney over his.....

Pay attention now....."jim"

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 2:26:36 PM

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"Prosecutions or lack thereof don't prove guilt or innocense." But to you, a lack thereof proves he was guilty?....Now there's some logic!

Nope. Comparing his own testimony under oath to the U.S. Constitution's definition of "treason" proves he was guilty. How's that for common-sense logic?

Hey, Oliver Wendell Holmes, where is the definition of treason in the US constitution, and detail how his testimony would prove that definition with necessary and sufficient conditions.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 2:31:27 PM

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LOL....you cannot make a good enough argument and my thinking is party line?...I never cared for Kerry as a candidate, wasn't fond of him as a possible President!

I give due respect to those who stand for something, that fought for something, and I don't take those who only snipe as you do, seriously.

You discount the accomplishments of a DECORATED VETERAN based on a political motivation, and I'm following the Party Line?

Run out of sound bites?

I discount the accomplishments and, moreover, the character of a SELF-DECORATED and SELF-INCRIMINATED TRAITOR AND WAR CRIMINAL Veteran based upon the overwhelming preponderance of irrefutable evidence.

Run out of BULLSHIT?

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