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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:24:01 AM

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Moonie, I would give McCain a pass on that one, he was a Guest at the Hanoi Hilton, and the NVA was not known to be very accommodating. McCain, like Kerry was a decorated Veteran and deserves our respect for his service, it wasn't his fault that his time to serve was during an unjust, erroneous war.

Of all the folks who were fellow guests at the hanoi hilton ace mccain can only come up with two to vouch for his integrity while there and both of them hold high paying positions in ace's father in laws business.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:28:04 AM

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Denigrating those who were in such a place is distasteful and not deserved, by anyone. There is no evidence that McCain didn't do his time honorably. I know that most people
given those circumstances would do what they thought was necessary to survive, including Senator McCain. Those tiger cages, and a lack of respect for human life displayed by the NVA could cause a lot of people to do things they wouldn't do otherwise.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:29:29 AM

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He wasn't even 'going to college' or anything. He was just wandering around harassing people about their religious choices being inferior to his crazy beliefs.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/06/06/12085094-the-war-romney-longed-for?lite

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In 1965, as an undergraduate at Stanford, Romney not only supported the war in Vietnam, he participated in pro-war protests. That same year, he sought and received his first deferment.

Absolutely love how Clinton's draft dodging was mentioned in passing. Amazing ya'all can overlook that stuff when there's a D behind the name.

Romney got 4 deferments, including school, and a 41 month missionary deferment (mission work isn't an uncommon event in a Mormon's life).

I have also noticed that no one has questioned farglebargle's initial sentence with the quoted portion.

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"He wasn't even 'going to college' ...

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In 1965, as an undergraduate at Stanford, Romney not only supported the war in Vietnam, he participated in pro-war protests. That same year, he sought and received his first deferment.

How was he an Undergraduate and not "going to school" or anything?

How many of you extolled the virtues of John Kerry, who not only ran on his military experience, but was also guilty of protesting against the war he gained the experience he was proud of?

Not to forget that Kerry got 6 draft-deferments, enlisted in the INACTIVE Navy Reserve only after/because his request for a 7th draft-deferment was rejected, held himself out as a highly-decorated and proud Veteran of a war he actively protested against both as a college student and as a Navy Officer, and refused to make his complete military records available to the general public and even his own attorneys respenting him in Civil suits "Kerry and Associates" filed against the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:31:16 AM

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US CODE 18

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ORIGINAL: U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who,
without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly
commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any
foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to
influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of
any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or
controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of
the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned
not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply,
himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents
thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from
such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Stop being obtuse, Mark. He met with representatives of a government (I don't give a shit if they were capitalists) with whom we were at war. That IS a violation of law. His claim was that it "bordered on" a violation but, he, of course, was trying to avoid prison time.

How does this differ from ragun and iran?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:33:59 AM

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Quite probably.
Of course, if his dad hadn't been an admiral, he wouldn't have got sent up in any more jets after the first couple he wrecked, so that one cuts both ways...

Ace mccain has five dead airplanes to his credit.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:36:51 AM

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Not to forget that Kerry got 6 draft-deferments, enlisted in the INACTIVE Navy Reserve only after/because his request for a 7th draft-deferment was rejected, held himself out as a highly-decorated and proud Veteran of a war he actively protested against both as a college student

Do you have a link to his protest against the viet nam war as a college student

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and as a Navy Officer, and refused to make his complete military records available to the general public.

Have you made your military records available to anyone?

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and even his own attorneys respenting him in Civil suits "Kerry and Associates" filed against the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

How did that law suit turn out?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:38:02 AM

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Clinton wasn't protesting in SUPPORT of the war ....now was he?

One thing to get deferments, another to protest in favor of others going to die while you hide behind your DADDY'S political clout....

No he wasn't. But he did participate in BURING American Flags during student anti-war protests at Oxford...now didn't he?

He also intentionally LIED to his Draft Board when he signed a statement PROMISING to enroll in ROTC at the University of Arkansas immediately upon returning from Oxford as a condition of receiving a draft-deferment to attend Oxford. That exemplies the term "Draft-Dodger"

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:42:04 AM

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Denigrating those who were in such a place is distasteful and not deserved, by anyone. There is no evidence that McCain didn't do his time honorably. I know that most people
given those circumstances would do what they thought was necessary to survive, including Senator McCain. Those tiger cages, and a lack of respect for human life displayed by the NVA could cause a lot of people to do things they wouldn't do otherwise.

How many other officers at the hanoi hilton signed confessions as a war criminal?
How many other officers at the hanoi hilton gave interviews to communist journalist?
Both of these are violations of the pow code of conduct.
There are numerous cases of enlisted men court martialed and rx 6+6+dd for far less egrigious acts as a pow.
That pice of shit has no honor.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:48:06 AM

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No he wasn't. But he did participate in BURING American Flags during student anti-war protests at Oxford...now didn't he?

Is that not a protected form of free speech? Would you like us to strike down the first ammendment to the constitution?

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He also intentionally LIED to his Draft Board when he signed a statement PROMISING to enroll in ROTC at the University of Arkansas immediately upon returning from Oxford as a condition of receiving a draft-deferment to attend Oxford.

Do you remember why he was at oxford?
Do you know what a rhodes scolar is?

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That exemplies the term "Draft-Dodger"

How so?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 8:52:11 AM

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I dont know that he bured them, he burned them, as suggested by the flag code

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 9:22:49 AM

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Hmmm...Kerry was a decorated soldier, who disliked the politial use of American TEENAGERS as fodder for a stupid, unsustainable and highly detestable war.

If Kerry didn't have the right to protest the actions of our Government in a war like Viet Nam, who would?

Keep bitching about such things as protest fella's, next war maybe you could set the example for us all and volunteer?

Bullshit...Kerry was a self-decorated therefore dishonorable Navy Officer, who protested the Vietnam War to launch his political career. During his sworn testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Kerry, still a Navy Officer, not only vilified all Vietnam Veterans based solely on heresay and our military/government officials up to the highest levels but, moreover, he also self-incriminated himself as a bonefied TRAITOR and WAR CRIMINAL.

As a member of the military, morever as a Navy Officer, Kerry did not have the right to protest the actions of our military/government officials...recall what happened to an Army General and an Army Lt Col who disagreed with Obama's actions.

Keep obfuscating the fact that Obama CANNOT run/win on his record, therefore his only hope is to attack Romney. "If you have no record to run on, you paint your opponent as someone to run from." -- Barack HUSSEIN Obama

And, just for your edification, I already set the example for you white-flag waving liberals by having voluntarily enlisted in the U.S. Army during the height of the Vietnam War. And, unlike John FRAUD TRAIOR WAR CRIMINAL Kerry, I received my "Honorable Discharge" in a normal and timely manner.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 9:24:58 AM

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Ja, bonefide is right.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 9:35:44 AM

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Yes, and carrying a communist banner is not freedom of speech?

Everyone should have Freedom of Speech, but not a decorated soldier?....Really DS?....

I read your claim of such, but have no knowledge of it, if it was not picked by him, but was selected by those who lead the group, should he not protest based on the selction of a banner?

Not while serving as a member of our military, especially as a military officer, it isn't!

Our military does not have Freedom of Speech, not even a decorated sailor, especially not a self-decorated Navy Officer....are you really that ignorant SM?

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 9:40:04 AM

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That was taken away in the first W administration, that is a recent development, I am unsure if it was kalikshama that pointed that law out or somene else.

For the mo, she's getting the credit, then the one that really did point out that law will hand me my ass.

Oh well.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 9:49:40 AM

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Besides, hasn't Kerry's record been discussed already on many other threads?

The topic of this thread is the fact that the Republican Party is so utterly fucked up that it can only find a crazy cowardly religious nut-job to run for it.

If you want to talk about Obama, start another thread.... Now lets get back to talking about how much of a fuckwad Romney is, and how shitty the state of any political party would have to be for it to pick him to represent them.

Of course Obama is going to win if you put Romney up against him.

Sheesh!

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 9:53:07 AM

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Did he make propoganda broadcasts for the vietcong?
If we're talking about traitors who weren't prosecuted, he'd have to do a lot of traitorous stuff to give Sorebutt McCain any competition...

Was Kerry captured and tortured for several years in the Hanoi Hilton by the vietcong?
John TRAITOR Kerry's portrait, along with Jane HANOI Fonda's protrait, once hung (are still hanging?) in a prominent place of honor in North Vietnam's War Museum.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 9:55:03 AM

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Did he make propoganda broadcasts for the vietcong?
If we're talking about traitors who weren't prosecuted, he'd have to do a lot of traitorous stuff to give Sorebutt McCain any competition...

Was Kerry captured and tortured for several years in the Hanoi Hilton by the vietcong?
John TRAITOR Kerry's portrait, along with Jane HANOI Fonda's protrait, once hung (are still hanging?) in a prominent place of honor in North Vietnam's War Museum.

There you go again, changing the subject.

I think you're scared to confront the fact that your guy is a crazy, and he's going to lose.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 10:05:08 AM

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No he wasn't. But he did participate in BURING American Flags during student anti-war protests at Oxford...now didn't he?

Is that not a protected form of free speech? Would you like us to strike down the first ammendment to the constitution?

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He also intentionally LIED to his Draft Board when he signed a statement PROMISING to enroll in ROTC at the University of Arkansas immediately upon returning from Oxford as a condition of receiving a draft-deferment to attend Oxford.

Do you remember why he was at oxford?
Do you know what a rhodes scolar is?

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That exemplies the term "Draft-Dodger"

How so?

Burning the American Flag is indeed a protected form of free speech, but that doesn't make it an honorable or Patriotic thing to do.

I could care less why he was at Oxford.
If anyone, a Rhodes Scholar should know the law.

If you don't know "How so?" you're beyond learning.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 10:06:27 AM

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Did he make propoganda broadcasts for the vietcong?
If we're talking about traitors who weren't prosecuted, he'd have to do a lot of traitorous stuff to give Sorebutt McCain any competition...

Was Kerry captured and tortured for several years in the Hanoi Hilton by the vietcong?
John TRAITOR Kerry's portrait, along with Jane HANOI Fonda's protrait, once hung (are still hanging?) in a prominent place of honor in North Vietnam's War Museum.

There you go again, changing the subject.

I think you're scared to confront the fact that your guy is a crazy, and he's going to lose.

I'm sorry, ML but the subject here is that governor Romney is a "piece of shit draft dodger" but, those adjectives only get used when a person has an "R" after their name.

These same people vilifying Governor Romney were touting President Clinton and Senator Kerry. Kerry - although only a would-be draft dodger - was a less than honorable sailor who picked the PBRs to serve on because, when he picked that assignment, it was one of the safest duties in-country. Unfortunately, it didn't stay that way for long as their mission was changed and their part in the war became very accelerated shortly after Comarade Kerry got in-country.

President Clinton was lauded by the left for being a draft dodger (while people simultaneously tried to find anyway they could to slander BushI's and Sen. Dole's service). No, the lefties set the rules of engagement. We're just fighting on the same battlefield.

Now, if you want to say that this latest revelation will cost Romney some votes; probably so but the people making the loudest noise weren't voting for him, anyway (and running to hide their voting records for the former commander-in-heat from Hope, AR.).

Peace and comfort,

Michael

Edit: BTW: members of the VVAW made propaganda recordings for use by the NVA but there have never been any indications that Comarade Kerry was (or wasn't) involved in those recordings.

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RE: "Mitt" Romney: Piece of Shit DRAFT DODGER... - 8/6/2012 10:19:02 AM

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Moonie, I would give McCain a pass on that one, he was a Guest at the Hanoi Hilton, and the NVA was not known to be very accommodating.

Very true, but there were a lot more inmates who didn't make any broadcasts.

Maybe, just MAYBE, that was because no other inmate had a Navy Admiral for a father!

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