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Already read that, tazzy. You do realize that 1/5 of infants born at 23 weeks (5 weeks prior to the "third trimester"). And, there has been a baby that survived being born at 21 weeks. Is there any change in viability that relies on the medical care possibilities? I mean, we can keep a brain dead person technically "alive" with all sorts of machines and interventions, but does that mean they are really alive? What sort of medical intervention can be used to keep a developing fetus "alive?"

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Really?!? You are asserting the guy who believes in "personal responsibility" does whatever he wants and blames it on someone else?!?

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We are arguing about a man and a woman who have entered into consensual intercourse that resulted in her getting pregnant. Even if they used protection and took steps, if she got pregnant from their fucking, she knew ahead of time that she could get pregnant, and neither should be off scott free.

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Yes, one survived at 21.6 weeks gestation... Amillia Taylor

Tiny “miracle babies” make for heartwarming stories, but the reality is that nearly half of all infants born extremely premature have significant learning and physical disabilities by the time they reach school age, the largest such study found.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6790571/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/#.UDb328FlTvY

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If they are both drunk, who gets the blame when she ends up pregnant? And who ends up denying the pregnancy if she ends up keeping the pregnancy?

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100% of babies aborted in the post viable stage fail to meet any educational or developmental milestones. They encounter insurmountable obstacles to learning and physical abilities and don't reach school age. No study that i am aware of.
but where there's life there's hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57KDDKbfhmI
The alternative kind of sickens me, how about you?

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Don't drink with people you can't trust, maybe. Some of us have quit drinking for waking up in the wrong place, or under the wrong circumstances. Don't get quite so drunk that you don't know whose shoulder you are leaning on, or whose arms you are in. Hell, if he's an asshat now, he won't really get better with a few drinks.

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The flip side of that is medical... the cost of attempting to safe a life a woman's body is naturally rejecting can be in the millions.

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Which is why, on my son's 21st birthday, he went club hopping with friends, with me in tow. Im a pretty cool mom.. even got him his first titty shot... but most dont have that ability to know when that point is to stop until the damage is done and its too late.

Forget what its like to be a kid? Or are you insisting they should all be mature adults like you with all your knowledge you have gained over the years... but they should have it instantly?

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erieangel
It is an interesting question.

Both scenarios assume a "right to life".

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I haven't checked off the organ donor box on my license nor would I use organs harvested from someone else. Thanks but, just let me expire.

I have an issue with medical science helping us die young as late in life as is possible. I swear I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but I just don't see the need to hang on to life so desperately that I would be willing to use the organs of some other poor person whose doctor probably didn't do everything they could to save them so that their organs could be harvested more quickly or easily.

I want the doctor to do everything possible to save me with what they have to work with. I don't want them making their own version of Dr. Frankenstein's (That's pronounced: "Fronkenshteen") monster.

Nope. I came into the world with certain body parts and I'll leave with whichever ones I manage to keep.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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Actually, I know quite a few doctors and have one in my family. I know that some doctors are more concerned with "harvesting" than "saving".

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Wow, as you choose to misread what is said, and inject what is on your mind might i respectfully recommend that you take your head out of your ass?

I don't know what you were discussing. I read that someone used all possible birth control solutions. I recommended that a few had not been mentioned. I did stipulate that my solutions would not stop a determined rapist. I do believe in greater punishments than are allowed by US law, and might coincide with what little i know of Sharia Law, but i am happy to accept the law of the country where i choose to live.

I was discussing the meanings and possible protections against coercion.

While I am a sub, and committed, i fail to see where offering potential solutions to aggressive/coercive males subjugates the female of the species. In fact it allows them the opportunity to make choices without beng coerced. The intent is to elevate them to the level they deserve. The articles which she used to describe coercion claimed that the victims of coercion were there from lack of self confidence. Their words, not mine. My advice and concern would be no different to a male who found himself in a position of being coerced, and found it distasteful. To me this would be a much rarer occurence, possibly because I might explain that I might find such a situation desirable.

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erieangel
It is an interesting question.
Both scenarios assume a "right to life".

This is a very interesting idea, erieangel. Thanks for the suggestion. There may be some advantages to putting this, and all 'right-to-life'-related issues under the same umbrella.
It seems to me that most people would agree that we all have a right to life. Framing discussions around such issues as abortion, the death penalty, turning off life support systems, euthanasia etc could be enhanced by adopting this perspective. For instance, the abortion debate could be reduced to one of whether, and at which point an embryo is a (legally speaking) human being with rights. In most other cases, people would have to make the case why the right to life does not apply in the particular instance.
I'm not convinced that it would succeed in moving discussion forwards on all of these issues, but it does seem to offer some promise.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Actually, I know quite a few doctors and have one in my family. I know that some doctors are more concerned with "harvesting" than "saving".

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Once past the age of viability, no, its not ok, and our laws prevent that from happening unless there are medical requirements to do so.

That isn't true in the US. In DC, for example, you can choose to abort, for any reason, up until the child is born.

It's a state-by-state decision how far into the pregnancy one can abort and for what reasons.

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I haven't checked off the organ donor box on my license nor would I use organs harvested from someone else. Thanks but, just let me expire.

I have an issue with medical science helping us die young as late in life as is possible. I swear I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but I just don't see the need to hang on to life so desperately that I would be willing to use the organs of some other poor person whose doctor probably didn't do everything they could to save them so that their organs could be harvested more quickly or easily.

I want the doctor to do everything possible to save me with what they have to work with. I don't want them making their own version of Dr. Frankenstein's (That's pronounced: "Fronkenshteen") monster.

Nope. I came into the world with certain body parts and I'll leave with whichever ones I manage to keep.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

That is so unbelievably offensive. You must watch far too much fiction on t.v.

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Once past the age of viability, no, its not ok, and our laws prevent that from happening unless there are medical requirements to do so.

That isn't true in the US. In DC, for example, you can choose to abort, for any reason, up until the child is born.

It's a state-by-state decision how far into the pregnancy one can abort and for what reasons.

Isn't it ironic that DC do not have the death penalty for murderers because they believe its too cruel and yet allow murder to continue on full term viable babies.

So, when does an embryo or fetus become human life? Nobody can say for sure but people have different beliefs and beliefs are all they are. If some scientist has declared that a fully grown fetus is still just an internal parasite up until the moment of birth, that doesn't make it so.
I'm not anti abortion but I am very anti PBA
I can remember my babies, kicking and punching me long before they were born, they got hiccups, jumped at sudden external noises. They got to a stage where they relied on me for birth so that they could continue life but life inside me was very much already there.
I strongly believe that abortions should remain legal as long as they are done in the first trimester or the first half of the second trimester under certain circumstances.

Later abortions should be strictly limited to exceptional cases because once we start dealing with a possible viability issue we are dealing with a living human being. We must balance the rights of all and that includes the baby.

I consider 'Partial Birth Abortions' on a viable baby to be murder. They induce the birth before pulling the baby out by the legs up to the point of the head. A sharp object is then inserted through the back of the babies neck and a vacuum then sucks out the babies brain. The child is removed as though it was no more than a troublesome wart.

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I haven't checked off the organ donor box on my license nor would I use organs harvested from someone else. Thanks but, just let me expire.

I have an issue with medical science helping us die young as late in life as is possible. I swear I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but I just don't see the need to hang on to life so desperately that I would be willing to use the organs of some other poor person whose doctor probably didn't do everything they could to save them so that their organs could be harvested more quickly or easily.

I want the doctor to do everything possible to save me with what they have to work with. I don't want them making their own version of Dr. Frankenstein's (That's pronounced: "Fronkenshteen") monster.

Nope. I came into the world with certain body parts and I'll leave with whichever ones I manage to keep.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

That is so unbelievably offensive. You must watch far too much fiction on t.v.

Sorry you find it offensive.  I remember mentioning to a cousin, who has been an ER nurse for nearly three decades, that I'd checked off the organ donor card on my license.  She told me it was a bad idea and that I should 'lose' the license and get a new one.  For someone that works in that environment on a daily basis to tell me that?  I'm not thinking that Michael watches too much TV...

My family knows that I am good with them donating my organs once I am gone, but that it's not a conversation we are having with the medical staff until the bitter end. 

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Now they inject the child with a drug to stop her heart before cutting her up and pulling her out and throwing her away. Yes, I'm using "her" intentionally because in the US there ARE sex-selective abortions. Little girls are being killed in the womb for the crime of being female.

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There is a hospital in TX that put a DNR on a 12 yr old child against the wishes of the family and were pushing to harvest his organs just in the past month. I highly doubt this is the only hospital that this is happening in.