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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 9:39:00 AM

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Actually i was using this thought of Chaperone-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaperone_(social) Describing the chaperone involved is a older woman protecting a younger woman from unwanted or inappropriate hankie pankie. My time in Turkey was less than 2% of my life, and made me decide not to becme muslim (which would have been a requirement) simply to have a chaperoned date with one of the local women. I chose to maintain my infidel status. Sharia law hardly ever crosses my mind.

I have to ask. Who are these folks?
"You're being Emu to someone elses Rod Hull and it isnt your Mistress with their hand up your ass in this case."
and, If you are so averse to an independent conclusion independently arrived at, then who has their hand up your ass?

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 9:44:14 AM

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So, when does an embryo or fetus become human life?

When they can produce a cancelled check for taxes paid.

Next question.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 9:47:09 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSg0QvBnER8

Rod Hull and Emu.

Warning, do NOT consume beverages during this video.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 10:45:40 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSg0QvBnER8

Rod Hull and Emu.

Warning, do NOT consume beverages during this video.

a bit tipsy beforehand wouldn't hurt though. I was much younger when i worked with a horny attack puppet. How did you know. Is that you Mary?

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 12:02:51 PM

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I actually remember one piece of advice from when i was young, and as archaic and saccharine as it might sound, it has stayed with me and been a standing rule in my life drunk or sober. I was told that I should never bed someone with whom I would not consider spending the rest of my life.

Ah, and you just described over half the women who are coerced into sex.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 12:08:50 PM

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I do know that I have lost many family members to long illness and in almost every case, we have been approached by vultures asking us to give permission for organ harvesting before death. While that's not a crime, the thought repulses me. So, do I think it goes on with transients or even with people whose families have no knowledge? I'm almost sure it does and I want no part of someone else's blood on my hands.

Oh for fuck sake....

When are they supposed to approach about donations? After death when the organs cannot be used?

Some people say some of the stupidest things on here just to try and make their own points valid. This one has got to take the cake.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 12:15:34 PM

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Wow. Men and women just should not be allowed to be together. I will admit to being responsible for 3. One got a better offer and left after 13 years, one passed away, and one seems to be okay with having me hang around. Where I come from they call that love and respect. Although there was emotional turmoil with the first, I still have to admit that I respect her, and wish her no ill will. To me, this is why Coercion described this way is confusing.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 12:31:28 PM

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You cannot expect everyone to live by your standards... which is what Sharia law does. I have always said a woman should be able to walk through a group of men naked and come out the other side untouched. That is my belief. You want to blame the woman for being too drunk to say no... yet cant seem to hold men to the same standard when they are drunk as well.

Coercion is simply trying any and every angle to get someone to change their mind.. and there are many avenues to do that.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 12:35:06 PM

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There is a hospital in TX that put a DNR on a 12 yr old child against the wishes of the family and were pushing to harvest his organs just in the past month. I highly doubt this is the only hospital that this is happening in.

I'm going to assume it's this one.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/22/texas-hospital-dehydrating-12-year-old-boy-to-harvest-his-organs/

The article explains that what the hospital (withholding food and water) did was illegal and has been reversed.
The author of the article appears to not very knowledgable about medicine or even basic biology as someone who dies from dehydration does so because of systemic organ failure. The organs would then be useless for transplantation. Ergo, they cannot be killing him via dehydration in order to harvest organs.

The irony of it all is that the hospital is probably behaving in this manner (badly) because there is no insurance and they don't want a multi-million dollar charity case to fuck with their quarterly profits.
Had universal insurance coverage been passed earlier, the problem wouldn't exist.

And yet here... on a site that has no association to religion.... states he was moved to hospice care...

Child Shooting Victim Moved to Hospice, Hospice Director Holds on to Hope

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 12:57:13 PM

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You cannot expect everyone to live by your standards... which is what Sharia law does. I have always said a woman should be able to walk through a group of men naked and come out the other side untouched. That is my belief. You want to blame the woman for being too drunk to say no... yet cant seem to hold men to the same standard when they are drunk as well.

Coercion is simply trying any and every angle to get someone to change their mind.. and there are many avenues to do that.

Actually i do hold men to the same expectation of responsibility. I have no expectation that anyone will live by my standards, including those who might find themselves under my care. Not really blaming women, who unfortunately, and by nature end up with more responsibilty. Your expectation seems unreasonable and defies nature. I know of several women who would consider a naked walk through a group of men to occur untouched and without comment to be highly insulting.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 1:09:47 PM

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Actually i do hold men to the same expectation of responsibility. I have no expectation that anyone will live by my standards, including those who might find themselves under my care. Not really blaming women, who unfortunately, and by nature end up with more responsibilty. Your expectation seems unreasonable and defies nature. I know of several women who would consider a naked walk through a group of men to occur untouched and without comment to be highly insulting.

You are talking kink.. I am not. You have to remember, not everyone, including society itself, fits into your kinky world or its definitions.

And by saying you hold men to the same expectation of responsibility, yet later say women have more... you are admitting there are different levels and different standards.

You are a submissive male... if a Dominant woman walked by you, yet didnt give you expressed permission to touch, would you? I would think not. Yet you dont hold all men to that same standard. Because you know better.

Whats the difference? Permission... consent... you know, that little thing the lifestyle seems to carry on so much about.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 1:12:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

There is a hospital in TX that put a DNR on a 12 yr old child against the wishes of the family and were pushing to harvest his organs just in the past month. I highly doubt this is the only hospital that this is happening in.

I'm going to assume it's this one.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/22/texas-hospital-dehydrating-12-year-old-boy-to-harvest-his-organs/

The article explains that what the hospital (withholding food and water) did was illegal and has been reversed.
The author of the article appears to not very knowledgable about medicine or even basic biology as someone who dies from dehydration does so because of systemic organ failure. The organs would then be useless for transplantation. Ergo, they cannot be killing him via dehydration in order to harvest organs.

The irony of it all is that the hospital is probably behaving in this manner (badly) because there is no insurance and they don't want a multi-million dollar charity case to fuck with their quarterly profits.
Had universal insurance coverage been passed earlier, the problem wouldn't exist.

And yet here... on a site that has no association to religion.... states he was moved to hospice care...

Child Shooting Victim Moved to Hospice, Hospice Director Holds on to Hope

You mean a Right Wing religious site was not only demonstrating ignorance but GASSSSSSSSP lying?

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 1:15:01 PM

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Oh my, did I imply that?

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 1:16:22 PM

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*chuckles* nice innocent look there taz.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 1:17:04 PM

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Why thank you! I have been practicing

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 1:39:06 PM

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Guy and girl fuck. Girl gets pregnant. Girl decides to get abortion. Someone else pays for it.

You're not referring to that government-funded-abortions myth are you? The Hyde Amendment exceptions do not apply in your scenario.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 2:18:21 PM

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You are talking kink.. I am not. You have to remember, not everyone, including society itself, fits into your kinky world or its definitions.

I don't actually fit into those kinky world or definition on a day to day basis. Earlier in my life, pre marriage, pre active kink, and so on, I went to a gentleman's club. The lovely girl who was dancing approached me, took me by the sides of my face and chastised me for not staring at her.
In my youth (earlier than this) I had a young woman who was quite well endowed, take the time to explain to me how to approach a lady with large breasts. She explained to talk to the lady's eyes. when she looked away there would be time to check out the rest of her. She told me that was the way she checked out men without embarassing them. I can offer you my respect should you find yourself naked in my presence, and will actually defend your virtue if that is needed. However I have encountered more women lifestyle and mainstream who would consider that quite presumptuous of me.

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And by saying you hold men to the same expectation of responsibility, yet later say women have more... you are admitting there are different levels and different standards.

Actually I said nature holds women more responsible, by selecting who carries the child. I could go off and say that God, Nature, or whatever random power one might choose, seems to expect that women are better equipped to handle that responsibilty. I would never consider a woman to be merely my equal. nor merely the equal of men. That would be giving women far less credit than they deserve.

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You are a submissive male... if a Dominant woman walked by you, yet didnt give you expressed permission to touch, would you? I would think not. Yet you dont hold all men to that same standard. Because you know better.

Whats the difference? Permission... consent... you know, that little thing the lifestyle seems to carry on so much about.

Your scenario would require permission from the Dominant woman and my Dominant. It would require my Dominant's permission to defend Her from an offending male. There are pre agreed and pre arranged permissions. She also is quite adept at and gets pleasure out of defending Herself. No real self image problems there.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 2:24:12 PM

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I don't actually fit into those kinky world or definition on a day to day basis. Earlier in my life, pre marriage, pre active kink, and so on, I went to a gentleman's club. The lovely girl who was dancing approached me, took me by the sides of my face and chastised me for not staring at her.

Oh for fuck sake... that is not who I meant and you damn well know it.

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In my youth (earlier than this) I had a young woman who was quite well endowed, take the time to explain to me how to approach a lady with large breasts. She explained to talk to the lady's eyes. when she looked away there would be time to check out the rest of her. She told me that was the way she checked out men without embarassing them. I can offer you my respect should you find yourself naked in my presence, and will actually defend your virtue if that is needed. However I have encountered more women lifestyle and mainstream who would consider that quite presumptuous of me.

Shakes my head.... and looking is touching how?

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Your scenario would require permission from the Dominant woman and my Dominant. It would require my Dominant's permission to defend Her from an offending male. There are pre agreed and pre arranged permissions. She also is quite adept at and gets pleasure out of defending Herself. No real self image problems there.

And yet a vanilla woman faced with any male who is determined to have her has what defense other than the word 'no'? You are the perfect example of a man who can resist if he so desires. So why cant others?

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 7:01:44 PM

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I don't actually fit into those kinky world or definition on a day to day basis. Earlier in my life, pre marriage, pre active kink, and so on, I went to a gentleman's club. The lovely girl who was dancing approached me, took me by the sides of my face and chastised me for not staring at her.

Oh for fuck sake... that is not who I meant and you damn well know it.

Your information site calls "You are so hot" as wel as other potential compliments as well as threats coercion. I have been accused of undressing a woman with my eyes (some times wiht a smile, sometimes with a glare. I am still trying to sort through your definitions.

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In my youth (earlier than this) I had a young woman who was quite well endowed, take the time to explain to me how to approach a lady with large breasts. She explained to talk to the lady's eyes. when she looked away there would be time to check out the rest of her. She told me that was the way she checked out men without embarassing them. I can offer you my respect should you find yourself naked in my presence, and will actually defend your virtue if that is needed. However I have encountered more women lifestyle and mainstream who would consider that quite presumptuous of me.

Shakes my head.... and looking is touching how?

When telling someone they are gorgeous is Coercion, the look in my eye, or on my face when i see a woman in the nude often says more than my voice will. Anywhere from WOW, to "can i get you a towel?"

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Your scenario would require permission from the Dominant woman and my Dominant. It would require my Dominant's permission to defend Her from an offending male. There are pre agreed and pre arranged permissions. She also is quite adept at and gets pleasure out of defending Herself. No real self image problems there.
And yet a vanilla woman faced with any male who is determined to have her has what defense other than the word 'no'? You are the perfect example of a man who can resist if he so desires. So why cant others?

While I can not control other men, nor explain them, A self reliant vanilla woman, in no particular order, and at the risk of repeating myself, and dropping lethal solutions, can avail herself of restraining orders, taser, pepper spray. self control, mastering the audible fart, pick your nose, scratch your butt, learn to vomit on command, and aim at his shoes, wet yourself or him or both, (although some kinksters might get a kick out of any of this). learn to master martial arts, learn to scream loudly or get one of those canned air boat horns, personal siren with flashing light, staying aware of the local police hang out, dunkin Donuts, or the local 24 hour convenience store, A safety/ICE/safecall mumber on your cell phone, learn to be the designated driver. That protects from your concern about alcohol, as well as putting you in the position if "he" crosses the line, he ends up walking home. I am sure that there are other solutions, but these are a few that I could come up with off the top of my head.

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RE: Your Right To Life Support.... - 8/24/2012 7:07:51 PM

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Guy and girl fuck. Girl gets pregnant. Girl decides to get abortion. Someone else pays for it.

You're not referring to that government-funded-abortions myth are you? The Hyde Amendment exceptions do not apply in your scenario.

Yep. The Hyde Amendment doesn't apply because of accounting trickery. "Fungible" assets and all.

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