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AllisonWilder -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 3:42:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: THEDEVILMAYCARE

And your perspective is


And my perspective is clearly stated on page 8 of this thread.




VincilagniaUK -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 3:51:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pyschosubmission


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ORIGINAL: VincilagniaUK

Don't you have anything to contribute to the actual topic? or are you just passing time?



I've contributed far more than yourself good sir, if we were to compare the arguments proposed by AllisonWilder to your own, we find that hers are eloquently written, thought out and personal. Whereas you have based your argument in derision.


Is that contribution measured in content or length? Plenty of fiction is eloquently written, thought out and personal and a joy to read, but like the text in question, sadly bereft of fact.

Out of curiosity, who are the proverbial 'we', good sir?

Actually, scratch that question, I seem to keep getting censored for reasons best known to somebody else I imagine so I can't be bothered with this topic anymore. Enjoy yourselves.




pyschosubmission -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 4:09:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VincilagniaUK

Plenty of fiction is eloquently written, thought out and personal and a joy to read, but like the text in question, sadly bereft of fact.



By definition fiction is bereft of fact. That is why it's called fiction.

Also I note, see bolded text above, you are continuing to argue without point, sources or indeed "facts" but staunchly remain fixated on derision.




AllisonWilder -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 4:20:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VincilagniaUK

Actually, scratch that question, I seem to keep getting censored for reasons best known to somebody else I imagine so I can't be bothered with this topic anymore. Enjoy yourselves.


I imagine you're getting censored because you're attacking me without justification. You don't have to like or agree with Financial Domination, but you don't get to invalidate it as a kink or a fetish just because you don't deem it worthy.




OsideGirl -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 4:24:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VincilagniaUK

Actually, scratch that question, I seem to keep getting censored for reasons best known to somebody else I imagine so I can't be bothered with this topic anymore. Enjoy yourselves.


That would be because it's a violation of TOS to engage in "my kink is okay, but yours isn't" behavior.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 4:33:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VincilagniaUK


I completely agree with you that good D/s relationships being ertered on care and trust, however I'm not sure of the relevence here because financial domination has got nothing to do with good D/s relationships.


In your opinion. FD has no place in my dynamic but I'll be d*mned before I proselytize others that their relationship isn't 'good' because they include it.





Rochsub2009 -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 7:24:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VincilagniaUK

Don't you have anything to contribute to the actual topic? or are you just passing time?


VincilagniaUK,
Actually, this had been one of the few times that we've had an impartial, intelligent discussion about the topic of financial domination........and then you came along.

I'm not a moderator, but I did start this thread, and I consider it my responsibility to shepherd any thread that I initiate. IMO, Allison has made a positive contribution to the discussion. You, on the other hand have passed judgments on both people and a kink that you clearly are not interested in.

We all understand that you think financial domination is immoral. You've stated that very clearly. Everything else that you've said has very much resembled trollish behavior.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/8/2012 7:27:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder

And thank you Roch, for your warm welcome.



You're very welcome. And I do apologize for the personal attacks that you've been subjected to. But it sounds like you're an internet veteran, so you know that trolls will be trolls. Simply ignore him.




AllisonWilder -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/9/2012 2:31:36 PM)

Yeah, I guess I am an internet veteran. I won't let the trolls deter me from pushing my way into this wonderful community. Thanks!




TNDommeK -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/9/2012 9:21:32 PM)

Allison I want to say hello from a fellow Fin Domme. Secondly, yes ignore the troll. There are kinks that I'm sure a lot of people don't agree with but it is not their place to say anything. If they do not like the kink, they can simply move on. That is the awesome perk of the hide button.

While I would never give a fin sub any money, I do agree with you on the rendering of a service for the tribute you are provided. I would say, as well, that it is business agreement; at least for me.


OAN: PS I love your eloquent posts. [:)]




AllisonWilder -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/9/2012 9:36:54 PM)

Thanks! It's nice to meet you and hello and all that!

I feel the same way. It is absolutely a business agreement for me.





FetishPrincess1 -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/14/2012 7:49:34 PM)

Thank you very much for this post!

As a domme It feels good to hear something positive on CM for a change regarding this particular issue. Very well written!

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

This isn't really a question that I'm asking. It's actually an answer that I posted to the above question in a thread that got deleted. Fortunately, the Admin was kind enough to send me a copy of my response after she deleted the thread. I know that there is a new financial domination thread on CM just about every week. But I took a bit of time writing the response, so I wanted to share it. I think it may provide new insight to some who have closed minds when it comes to financial domination.

We see many threads on CM that deride financial Dommes. They're often called everything from "fakes", to "prostitutes". And in the deleted thread that I referenced above, someone even stated that financial domination isn't even a legitimate arm of kink/BDSM, and that it doesn't belong on CM. I couldn't disagree with that sentiment more, so here is my response to that assertion.


Financial domination IS a legitimate form of kink/BDSM.

Many lifestyle Doms/Dommes also control the finances of their subs/slaves. Some may do this in a benevolent way, with the focus being on helping their sub to manage their money better. Others may require that their subs/slaves pay for dates and other things (but is this really different from the societal norm that says that the man should pay?). Others may require a tribute, tithe, or other regular payment from their subs/slaves.

From the submissives' standpoint, this can give them feelings of power exchange. The financial Domme is in charge of their money, and the financial sub has no control over her spending. Whether you like it or not, that IS a legitimate form of power exchange.

Other financial subs view it more as a form of humiliation. The financial Domme frivolously spends his money, and then laughs at him for allowing her to do so.

Some financial subs/slaves also enjoy the added component of being blackmailed for their money. This is an extreme form of humiliation that also incorporates fear of public exposure.

Then there are those who feel like their money is granting them access to a beautiful woman who they'd never have access to otherwise. To them, paying "tribute" is the normal path to gaining access to a Domme. Whether it's on-line or in real time, their expectation is that they have to pull out their wallet in order to be granted access. This mindset is most similar to the traditional "John" who visits prostitutes. But because he's not paying for sex, she isn't a prostitute (even though some people on here persist in calling pro Dommes and financial Dommes "prostitutes"). [8|]

And of course there are the pro Dommes, who I believe provide a needed and valuable service to the BDSM community. There are far too many male subs, and far too few Dommes. Were it not for the pro Dommes, most male subs would never get to realize their submission dreams. While pro Dommes and financial Dommes are different, some insist upon lumping them into the same category.

I think that the problems arise because so many scammers have realized that there is an opportunity to take advantage of people, and they've entered the fray. These individuals have no knowledge or experience with D/s or BDSM. All they know is that they can get total strangers to send them money simply by posting hot pictures on the internet. They usually never meet with anyone in "real life", and their BDSM persona exists exclusively on the internet. They provide little D/s interaction with their "clients" other than to demand more stuff. In most instances, the photos that they include in their profile to attract "customers" are not even of themselves. Instead, they typically steal pictures from modeling agency websites. In my opinion, it is THESE people who have given financial domination a bad name. They have no background or knowledge that they are bringing to the transaction. They have no skill at dominating. All they have is greed. So the "financial sub" is not likely to get their money's worth.

This group is clearly setting a bad example in the BDSM community. We'd probably be better off without them (IMHO). But that doesn't change the fact that financial domination IS a legitimate form of kink/BDSM, and many "twue" Doms/Dommes incorporate it into their dynamic.

Any thoughts or rebuttals?





Rochsub2009 -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (10/14/2012 8:43:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FetishPrincess1

Thank you very much for this post!

As a domme It feels good to hear something positive on CM for a change regarding this particular issue.




You're very welcome. And I agree with you that we seldom have positive conversations about financial domination here on CM. That's why I started the thread. I thought that it was about time we had a more balanced discussion about the topic.

I'm glad you enjoyed the thread.
-Roch




mikeyOfGeorgia -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (11/13/2012 3:19:47 PM)

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Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s?


No!!!




AllisonWilder -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (11/13/2012 3:36:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mikeyOfGeorgia

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Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s?


No!!!



What an eloquently worded argument you've presented.




mikeyOfGeorgia -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (11/13/2012 3:41:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AllisonWilder

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ORIGINAL: mikeyOfGeorgia

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Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s?


No!!!



What an eloquently worded argument you've presented.


what can i say, i was hoping to minimize the flame throwing...LOL




justacleaner -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (11/13/2012 3:53:18 PM)

It's an interesting point with a very simple answer. If you pay someone to provide you with a service it is a business agreement. Take the three main services Gas, Electricity, And Water. If you don't pay the service is terminated, So a relationship with a Domme where payment is made, and the relationship ceases if the payments stop is a business agreement and has little or nothing to do with D/s or bdsm. It's no different to paying the mrchanich who services your car, or the plumber who clears a drain for you. Except in those cases you are dealing with a real person.




OsideGirl -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (11/13/2012 3:57:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: justacleaner

It's an interesting point with a very simple answer. If you pay someone to provide you with a service it is a business agreement. Take the three main services Gas, Electricity, And Water. If you don't pay the service is terminated, So a relationship with a Domme where payment is made, and the relationship ceases if the payments stop is a business agreement and has little or nothing to do with D/s or bdsm. It's no different to paying the mrchanich who services your car, or the plumber who clears a drain for you. Except in those cases you are dealing with a real person.


You clearly don't realize that paying someone for a service isn't the only method of financial domination. Financial domination can also be a situation where the dominant controls the finances of the submissive.




justacleaner -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (11/13/2012 4:14:37 PM)

No i do realize that, but I would term those relationships as being more fem led than D/s or bdsm.




OsideGirl -> RE: Is financial domination a legitimate form of D/s? (11/13/2012 4:32:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: justacleaner

No i do realize that, but I would term those relationships as being more fem led than D/s or bdsm.



Well, gee...I guess I'll have to break it to Master that he's a female leading our relationship rather than having a TPE D/s relationship. I'm sure he'll absolutely take your side and decide that our 13 year relationship has been a sham.




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