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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/14/2012 2:52:41 PM   
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lol

And yet you cant see the savings in health care costs?

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43471-hr6079.pdf

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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/14/2012 9:31:18 PM   
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quote:

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lol
And yet you cant see the savings in health care costs?
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43471-hr6079.pdf


$109B over 10 years?!? OMG!!!

Did you happen to notice the $711B "spending increase" in Boehner's bill due to cuts not being made to Medicare?!?

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/30/157587027/weekly-standard-obamacare-to-cost-1-93-trillion

    quote:

    Moreover, the CBO and/or the Medicare chief actuary have previously said that Obamacare would raise health insurance premiums, would raise overall U.S. health costs, would raise taxes on Americans and on American businesses, and would siphon something approaching $1 trillion (from 2014 through 2023) out of Medicare. In the process (according to the Medicare chief actuary), Obamacare would reduce reimbursement rates for Medicare providers to the point where they'd be lower even than the notoriously low reimbursement rates paid to Medicaid providers — therefore jeopardizing seniors' access to care. Oh, and Obamacare would also establish the unelected and largely unaccountable 15-member Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) to institute further Medicare cuts.




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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/14/2012 9:50:11 PM   
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Boehners?

Both Romney and Obama are seeking major changes to Medicare to rein in its runaway costs, which threaten to consume 20% of federal revenues by 2022. So when they promise to "preserve and protect" Medicare, as Romney did in Florida on Monday, they're talking about the idea of Medicare, not the program as it looks today. Significantly, both Obama and Ryan have called for holding Medicare spending to the same rate of growth in future years. The difference — and it's significant — is in how they would meet that target.

The challenge for Medicare is twofold. Thanks to the baby boom and advances in medicine, Medicare beneficiaries are growing in number and longevity. At the same time, medical costs have been rising far faster than inflation. The recession slowed the rate of increase somewhat, but the relief is likely to be temporary.

Obama's strategy for slowing the growth of Medicare spending revolves around the 2010 healthcare reform law, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The measure includes numerous provisions to promote more efficient, higher-quality care, including a new federal center to spur innovation in healthcare. It imposes new penalties for hospitals whose patients acquire infections, and launches a host of pilot projects aimed at giving Medicare doctors more financial incentive to keep patients healthy. As a fail-safe mechanism, it also creates a panel of experts that would recommend legislative changes in the program each year if costs grew more than the gross domestic product plus 1%. Those recommendations will automatically become law unless Congress adopts an alternative that is just as effective at controlling costs.

Critics latched onto the Independent Payment Advisory Board as a rationing "death panel," despite the law's explicit prohibitions on the board making proposals that would ration care, reduce benefits, decrease eligibility or raise out-of-pocket costs for physician and hospital care. Instead, the main options available to the board would be to reduce payments to doctors and, eventually, other healthcare providers, or to find ways to make Medicare more efficient.

In his budget proposal this year, Obama sought to slow the growth of Medicare even further by having the board recommend changes if the program's costs grew by more than GDP plus 0.5%. That's a huge vote of confidence in the ability of the healthcare law's pilot projects and other reforms to change Medicare, and it's not clear how realistic those expectations are — or how much savings the board could reasonably be expected to achieve.

Romney's Medicare plan makes a bigger leap of faith. He has said he would waive as much of the 2010 law as he could through his authority as president, and push Congress to repeal the rest. In its place, he would seek a premium-support system like the one Ryan proposed for those becoming eligible for Medicare in 2022 and beyond. Private insurers would compete with Medicare in a new marketplace, or exchange, with each offering coverage roughly equivalent to what Medicare offers. Instead of offering seniors Medicare coverage, the government would provide an insurance subsidy equal to the second-least-expensive offering in the exchange. Seniors who didn't want that particular coverage could use the subsidy to buy the less expensive insurance and keep the change, or sign up for more expensive coverage and pay the difference out of pocket.


This approach would put pressure on insurers to hold down costs. But they've had little luck doing so to date, in part because they don't have the leverage to force local hospitals and medical groups to curb their appetite for higher rates. Romney doesn't say what he'd do if insurers can't keep rates down. And neither he nor Ryan has made clear what they would do to contain Medicare costs if competition among insurers didn't do the trick.

No matter how it's structured, Medicare won't survive unless it finds a way to slow the rising cost of caring for elderly Americans. Romney argues that the program's inefficiencies are a product of the open-ended supply of federal dollars, a problem that could be solved by forcing insurers to compete for Medicare customers. That's part of the answer, but not the whole one. It's even more important to realign the industry's incentives toward wellness instead of treatment, to promote efficiency and innovation in care, and to encourage more coordination among providers. The 2010 law pushes the healthcare industry down those paths, which is why it's an important part of Medicare's future. For all the rhetoric coming out of the Obama campaign, the problem with Romney's plan isn't that he would "end Medicare as we know it." It's that he isn't backing the right changes.


http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/15/opinion/la-ed-medicare-20120815

Try up to date information.

Basically, they are going after the same thing... the difference is how they get there.

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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/15/2012 9:22:27 PM   
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Boehners?


From your link:

    quote:


    Dear Mr. Speaker:
    As you requested, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the staff of
    the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have estimated the direct spending
    and revenue effects of H.R. 6079, the Repeal of Obamacare Act, as passed
    by the House of Representatives on July 11, 2012. This estimate reflects the
    spending and revenue projections in CBO’s March 2012 baseline as
    adjusted to take into account the effects of the recent Supreme Court
    decision regarding the Affordable Care Act (ACA).1 H.R. 6079 would
    repeal the ACA, with the exception of one subsection that has no budgetary
    effect.2


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Basically, they are going after the same thing... the difference is how they get there.


Which is pretty much what I've said the difference is between Dem's and Rep's for quite some time now. Glad you've finally gotten on board.

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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/15/2012 11:10:43 PM   
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Yep, and I have told you to find out how Obama is getting there. When you do, then you and I can have a nice chat about how costs will be cut.

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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/16/2012 4:51:03 AM   
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Yep, and I have told you to find out how Obama is getting there. When you do, then you and I can have a nice chat about how costs will be cut.


Costs won't be cut. That's why the cost of PPACA continues to rise, unless you're going to tell me that's simple inflation?

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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/16/2012 5:21:42 AM   
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Not at all. Again, research it yourself. As many times as we have had this discussion, you still do not know what you are talking about, which is reflected in your numerous posts.

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RE: Healthcare. Doors #1 and #2. - 9/16/2012 5:58:31 AM   
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Where do you DesideriScuri do your research I am indeed impress by how you know so much!

I wonder if you are a secret writer for in a postion that gives you information that none of us may know
unless we dive deep into so serious research!

I read many post and I seen so things that are backward and just plain silly!

You have the sense and the plain knowledge no matter who's who side you are on!!

I enjoy the the post between whom ever you write too!

I do wonder if sometimes it is hot air blow out but not much taken in, when it comes to some posts!

Many people hate to be even a touch wrong!


Mons ( I do not choose sides but I watch this play out and I enjoy it very much)

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