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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 2:57:59 PM   
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At the same tiime, while it might be nice (in theory) to have a specific section for Rants - I can see such a section going nasty, very nasty, very quickly.

My concern would be that, unfortunately, when sharing things of a personal nature; things that might be very sensitive and emotionally raw, the responses might be less constructive and make a bad experience even worse.


i think with the right kind of moderation such a thread could work. and as for the concerns about negativity, i think there's already plenty of that here without a rants section, imho.

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Sorry but, it seemed like a good suggestion, based upon the initial intent of the thread. Also, as I have a legitimate memory issue, it was the only one I could think of off the top of my head, at the time.


i didn't think it was negative or a dig, don't worry. it wasn't what i was looking for, but i appreciate the input.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 2:58:45 PM   
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Run with it..............if you dare.

Just keep in mind those are the words of a person who is A.) a sadistic bitch and B.) who's give a damn broke about 10ish years ago.


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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:06:57 PM   
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There isnt a whole lot of directions to any sections, unless someone comes along and makes a snarky ass comment about P&R to those they dont want around.



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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:07:05 PM   
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Sorry but, it seemed like a good suggestion, based upon the initial intent of the thread. Also, as I have a legitimate memory issue, it was the only one I could think of off the top of my head, at the time.



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I do remember you mentioning the memory issues, but that wasn't My first thought when I made the comment.

I don't think I could find it through the search feature, but there was a bit of an issue somewhere through the thread when <cough> it did get used for that purpose. (I happen to know because I was the one who did it.) Basically, a Mod came along and corrected Me on actually doing that. It's buried somewhere in the back pages. If I remember right, somebody wasn't happy because I said something to the effect that it would be a fun little game if folks could figure out just which thread the snarky comment would have been on if I had directed it to a poster. (Not naming them, of course.) Personally, I thought it was funny. The staff didn't exactly agree with Me.

If I remember right, LaT and I were doing pretty well at figuring where the snark comment fit on what thread before the plug was pulled.



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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:08:36 PM   
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No biggie, but I agree with Lockit. As I was reading the thread, I did think LadyPact's comment was condescending (aka, snarky, I suppose) and I thought that I would comment at the end of my reading about it when I saw the OP getting beaten up a bit. Then I saw that Lockit said exactly what I would have said.


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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:11:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

...i think with the right kind of moderation such a thread could work. and as for the concerns about negativity, i think there's already plenty of that here without a rants section, imho.


Yes, but what IS the right kind of moderation? There are vastly different opionions on this, and no one is completely right or wrong - just differing views and perspectives.

There is a lot of negativity already but it is dispersed throughout the forum. Intermingled with the good, the silly, the funny and the serious.
I have a personal dislike of focalising and concentrating negatives.

On a positive note :) I don't have a say in how the Collarchat forum is designed, so my opinion has the same degree of merit as yours. I'm not trying to
convince you either way. Just expressing my personal thoughts on your specific topic.

I do think it was an interesting question to pose, and worthy of a decent expression of ideas on the matter.

WinD

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:11:13 PM   
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There isnt a whole lot of directions to any sections, unless someone comes along and makes a snarky ass comment about P&R to those they dont want around.
I seem to recall one particular person that the joke was going on about sending him back to the Gorean board. Something about the BDSM folks not wanting him and hoping the Gorean folks would take him back.

The above is not a slam on Gorean participants. Just one particular twatwaffle.



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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:23:52 PM   
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Yes, but what IS the right kind of moderation?

i appreciate your thoughts on my question.

as for the right kind of moderation? i think naming names should be prohibited, but other than that, the section should have the same rules as any other the others here. i guess we'd have to judge by the types of posts that come up. other sites have done it rather successfully, so i was a bit puzzled about this site's lack of one. i think it would make for interesting reading. but that's my opinion.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:45:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

i appreciate your thoughts on my question.

as for the right kind of moderation? i think naming names should be prohibited, but other than that, the section should have the same rules as any other the others here. i guess we'd have to judge by the types of posts that come up. other sites have done it rather successfully, so i was a bit puzzled about this site's lack of one. i think it would make for interesting reading. but that's my opinion.



(I apologize if the font is obnoxious. I enlarged it for emphasis but have no idea how huge it might be)

Here is where the problem exists. I may not be the best person to discuss this, as I've never really had a problem with moderation, in that other than posts removed for quoting pulled posts I haven't really been mod-smacked. Not in years, or that I recall.

Anyway, I do agree that each post needs to be judged in context, on its own merit and even keeping in mind the original posters general style and history. This, however, is a VERY subjective (hope that is the correct word) way of moderating and tends to appear as biased moderation. Which, by definition it is. Biased moderation, where the moderator uses their BEST judgement on how to address a post in context keeping in mind the literal intent and spirit of any particular rule. It isn't easy.

Now, you take a medium that is void of tone, inflection, body language or facial expressions - and toss in the moderators best attempt at trying to distinguish whether something was (for example) snark or condescending: you will always have differing opinions and perspectives. Moderators are no different. No moderator (or few moderators) are going to agree completely on what is appropriate and what isn't.

Ok, now we have a forum that by its very design, is intended to compile a bunch of negative experiences - and factor in all the above, while including the base nature of humanity in general and you have ...(coughs) well, a less diverse P&R (kidding).

All that to say, there really is no one true way of moderating a forum. Just differing perspectives and best attempts at doing so.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:49:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

There isnt a whole lot of directions to any sections, unless someone comes along and makes a snarky ass comment about P&R to those they dont want around.
I seem to recall one particular person that the joke was going on about sending him back to the Gorean board. Something about the BDSM folks not wanting him and hoping the Gorean folks would take him back.

The above is not a slam on Gorean participants. Just one particular twatwaffle.




lol.. yes... thats also a particular favorite of some around here.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 3:51:56 PM   
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i think with the right kind of moderation such a thread could work. and as for the concerns about negativity, i think there's already plenty of that here without a rants section, imho.


My comment now is not snarky at all, I want you to know that going in.

The moderation here is all volunteer. Those who do, bless their hearts, put in their free time and energy into these threads. To add extra work, in my opinion, just isnt fair to them.

Add to that the potential legal problems that could arise from such a section... and.. frankly.. I can see why they dont allow it.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 4:07:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
All that to say, there really is no one true way of moderating a forum. Just differing perspectives and best attempts at doing so.


But, there should be one twue way of moderation, just like there's one twue way to be a dominate (Okay. Fuck it! We need a joke thread entitled: "One Twue Way to Moderate CC Forums").



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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 4:13:24 PM   
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okay. last post from me, this thread is starting to feel like:

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The moderation here is all volunteer. Those who do, bless their hearts, put in their free time and energy into these threads. To add extra work, in my opinion, just isnt fair to them.

Add to that the potential legal problems that could arise from such a section... and.. frankly.. I can see why they dont allow it.


yeah, moderators have a tough job, but i don't think a r&r section would significantly increase the strain on their lives. and the legal problems? i think those could be nipped in the bud by people not adding specific names/locations/etc. to the stories. but that's just me.

in my mind, said section would mirror "positive experiences", except that it's about encounters that weren't so positive. maybe "rants and raves" isn't the best thing to call it. as i said before, other sites with forums have sections like this and the world didn't implode or send moderators into the loony bin. just saying.





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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 4:14:22 PM   
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...(Okay. Fuck it! We need a joke thread entitled: "One Twue Way to Moderate CC Forums").
...[/color]


I seem to recall quite a few of those 'joke' threads on just that, popping up quite frequently.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 5:03:36 PM   
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I'm channeling someone who used to post here, and was the "search queen":


How about "not so positive" experiences?: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3351083

What's your worst hookup ever: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2169831

The pretenders and wannabes: http://www.collarchat.com/m_3247928/tm.htm


I'm not saying revive any of those, trust me on that one. I think most people would rather read about the positive than dwell on the negative. Well, except for those people who hang out in Politics & Religion (had to do it, just HAD TO DO IT).

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 5:05:59 PM   
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I actually got to meet that past poster over the summer. One of the first things I said to her was that I really missed her making those kinds of posts.


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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 6:20:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance


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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

i appreciate your thoughts on my question.

as for the right kind of moderation? i think naming names should be prohibited, but other than that, the section should have the same rules as any other the others here. i guess we'd have to judge by the types of posts that come up. other sites have done it rather successfully, so i was a bit puzzled about this site's lack of one. i think it would make for interesting reading. but that's my opinion.



(I apologize if the font is obnoxious. I enlarged it for emphasis but have no idea how huge it might be)

Here is where the problem exists. I may not be the best person to discuss this, as I've never really had a problem with moderation, in that other than posts removed for quoting pulled posts I haven't really been mod-smacked. Not in years, or that I recall.

Anyway, I do agree that each post needs to be judged in context, on its own merit and even keeping in mind the original posters general style and history. This, however, is a VERY subjective (hope that is the correct word) way of moderating and tends to appear as biased moderation. Which, by definition it is. Biased moderation, where the moderator uses their BEST judgement on how to address a post in context keeping in mind the literal intent and spirit of any particular rule. It isn't easy.

Now, you take a medium that is void of tone, inflection, body language or facial expressions - and toss in the moderators best attempt at trying to distinguish whether something was (for example) snark or condescending: you will always have differing opinions and perspectives. Moderators are no different. No moderator (or few moderators) are going to agree completely on what is appropriate and what isn't.

Ok, now we have a forum that by its very design, is intended to compile a bunch of negative experiences - and factor in all the above, while including the base nature of humanity in general and you have ...(coughs) well, a less diverse P&R (kidding).

All that to say, there really is no one true way of moderating a forum. Just differing perspectives and best attempts at doing so.


Winnie has said, ever so much more nicely than I, what I feel.

99%, give or take a few points, of what I post is not intended to be taken as nasty. I have a very dry, obnoxious, sense of humour. Everyone that spends any time at all around me, gets it. They also get to see all of the facial expressions and body language that goes with it. That makes a HUMONGOUS difference. Huge, monstrous, gigantic. They also know that my humour applies equally to myself. They give me just as much shit as I give them. It's never mean spirited or done in a negative way.

However, people that haven't got a good sense of humour, or have a fragile sense of self.........do, on occasion, get their undies bunched. They don't GET IT. I am not everyone's cuppa and I get that. But yanno, it's who I am. I've been a smarmy twit my whole life.

So, that being said......what one bleeding heart mod reads as mean and nasty, another, with a similar sense of humour is going to 'get it', and let it roll. Some of my shit disappears and some of it stays. Some people that tend to be newish, might not 'get me' and either assume that being cuntish is cool, and then take it to another level. Another might simply get their undies bunched and toss a hissy fit.

Then, add the scary cherry on top, of me being a sadistic bitch.........."Maybe she really is being a cunt, but maybe she is just laughing and fucking around...........hmmmm? How do I know?"

It's all a big fat grey area of perception. The more the mods let fly, the more there is a potential for the thin skinned wussies to get their noses bent out of shape. But, the more the mods babysit, the more fecking boring this place gets.

It's a catch 22 that they gotta constantly balance.

I can't imagine creating a new forum, with that kinda balancing act (OP topic), is any sort of good idea for the mods.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 6:30:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat.

in my mind, said section would mirror "positive experiences", except that it's about encounters that weren't so positive. maybe "rants and raves" isn't the best thing to call it. as i said before, other sites with forums have sections like this and the world didn't implode or send moderators into the loony bin. just saying.




This site has been around for a few years now, and it hasn't imploded due to the lack of such a section. You want to post on a section like that, go to a site that has it. The mods aren't going to go to all the trouble of creating a new section because one person, who has been here a whole whopping three days, thinks we should have it.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 6:36:13 PM   
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This site has been around for a few years now, and it hasn't imploded due to the lack of such a section. You want to post on a section like that, go to a site that has it. The mods aren't going to go to all the trouble of creating a new section because one person, who has been here a whole whopping three days, thinks we should have it.


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i asked why a section didn't exist, i'm not championing the cause of a new section. also, why do you and others feel the need to constantly point out the fact that i'm new, as if it makes me somehow inferior to you? it's rather obnoxious.

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RE: why isn't there a rants & raves section? - 10/22/2012 6:53:54 PM   
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Fast Reply,

I think this thread has run its course.

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