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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 11:09:47 AM   
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ACTUALLY LISTEN TO ME

Over this thread and others your words do indeed speak for you.


I think they should and yet I routinely get back these characterizations of my position that are bafflingly nonsensical in light of what I've actually said.




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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 11:55:46 AM   
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And this is not the only thread this behavior manifests. Anytime someone tries to defend their faith, even when not controversial…such as discussions on God’s existence…The wise cracks about unicorns and fairies come out.

It's funny how a lot of people can rationally walk through other people's supernatural assertions but the moment their own supernatural assertion comes up suddenly everything is somehow supposed to be different.

There was a poster on here claiming that my atheism was a religion which I've devoted my life to. In light of what the label atheist actually means that's clearly nonsensical but I've found that getting someone with a vested interest in misunderstanding me to comprehend that is difficult.

So yeah I figured I'll change the subject to a different supernatural assertion in the hope that he could look at the logic without the knee jerk compulsion to protect his faith.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Do you believe in unicorns?


So here's something for you to try and resolve, you expect others to have respect for your faith but even just asking if he also has faith in another supernatural being (i.e. unicorns) is characterized by you as a wise crack in the above post.

It would seem to me that's a "hurtful" show of disrespect toward faith in unicorns?


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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 12:18:25 PM   
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So here's something for you to try and resolve, you expect others to have respect for your faith but even just asking if he also has faith in another supernatural being (i.e. unicorns) is characterized by you as a wise crack in the above post.

Here's something for you to try to resolve: I don't know of anyone (certainly nobody posting to this thread) who has ever had an experience that they could only describe as being in the presence of a unicorn. Do you??

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

It would seem to me that's a "hurtful" show of disrespect toward faith in unicorns?

What you routinely dismiss and ridicule is people's faith in their own personal experience. And you are arrogant enough to persist in doing it, against all decency and requests that you stop, even though there isn't the slightest possibility that you could know what their experience was like.

K.


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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 3:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seeing as I'm unicorn hunting, I figure it would be accurate to say I believe in unicorns.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 4:00:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The unicorn concept can have different meanings in different frames of reference.

In Dutch the name is 'eenhoorn' (one horn).

There is another animal in the Dutch language that is called 'eekhoorn'. So there is a possibility that the words are related. The English word for eekhoorn is 'squirrel'.

Unfortunately the etymology of the word 'eekhoorn' is rather mysterious, especially the last syllable.

I have been doing some research in the etymolgy of the name 'eekhoorn' and found that people are pretty sure that 'eek' is derived from 'aig', which means 'fast moving'.

Then just a couple of moments ago I found a post by someone with the nick Amadea and she (?) remarked astutely:

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Beter is de Latijnse naam ‘Sciurus’. Deze komt van het oud-Griekse ‘skia’ (= schaduw) en ‘oura’ (= staart)
(Better is the Latin Sciurus. This name is from the Old Greek 'skia' (=shadow) and 'oura' (tail)


Thus aig-oura (fast moving tail) appears to be the original - and apt - name of the eekhoorn. It seems likely to me that the name 'squirrel' also has been derived from aig-oura.

My hypothesis therefore is that the etymology of the unicorn/eenhoorn in at least one frame of reference is also derived from 'oura'. In that frame of reference 'unicorn' has not got anything to do with a horn, but simply means 'one tail'. This - to me surprising - knowledge fits - to me not surprisingly - perfectly with my determination from many years hence that the name 'unicorn' was one of the many - countless - names that people in olden times used to refer to the concept of those one-tailed stars (though sometimes two tails are visible) that people usually refer to as 'comets'.

GotSteel's frames of reference are rather narrow, as I am sure that many people have noticed. His perception of what a unicorn is, appears to be limited to that of a living, supernatural, horselike animal with a horn on its head as often depicted in cartoons and paintings. So in his ignorance he was wont to make fun off and ridicule me who say that I know that unicorns (i.e. in my perception of reality the not at all supernatural and not at all animate 'comets') exist.

But now it is time for you to wise up, GotSteel. It is time to acknowledge to yourself that your perception of reality is not perfect. (Nor is the perception of billions of other people perfect. That is why you all have need of a supergenius like myself.)

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 4:06:13 PM   
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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 4:16:11 PM   
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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 5:32:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Seeing as I'm unicorn hunting, I figure it would be accurate to say I believe in unicorns.

Are you telling me they're not real?


Well here's an american group who has faith in unicorns:

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ORIGINAL: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v2/n1/unicorns-in-bible
Some people claim the Bible is a book of fairy tales because it mentions unicorns. However, the biblical unicorn was a real animal, not an imaginary creature. The Bible refers to the unicorn in the context of familiar animals, such as peacocks, lambs, lions, bullocks, goats, donkeys, horses, dogs, eagles, and calves (Job 39:9–12.1) In Job 38–41, God reminded Job of the characteristics of a variety of impressive animals He had created, showing Job that God was far above man in power and strength.2

Job had to be familiar with the animals on God’s list for the illustration to be effective. God points out in Job 39:9–12 that the unicorn, “whose strength is great,” is useless for agricultural work, refusing to serve man or “harrow (plow) the valley.” This visual aid gave Job a glimpse of God’s greatness. An imaginary fantasy animal would have defeated the purpose of God’s illustration.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 6:52:37 PM   
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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 7:18:40 PM   
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The poor woman may have the baby before this thread ends.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 7:52:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Haven't read all 28 pages of this thread, but ... has anyone pointed out that now God intended for this fuckwit to be voted out of office?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 7:59:41 PM   
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Haven't read all 28 pages of this thread, but ... has anyone pointed out that now God intended for this fuckwit to be voted out of office?


Excellent point. While we are at it, we can note that Obama's re-election must be God's Will or part of the Divine Plan. How can any self respecting Christian oppose Obama's mandate? Wouldn't that be the next thing to opposing God's Plan or Will?*

* Perhaps some one with a better grasp of these matters than I can decide whether this may constitute blasphemy or sacrilege.


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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 9:12:14 PM   
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Excellent point. While we are at it, we can note that Obama's re-election must be God's Will or part of the Divine Plan. How can any self respecting Christian oppose Obama's mandate? Wouldn't that be the next thing to opposing God's Plan or Will?*

Not at all. The ol' Debbil was behind it.

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* Perhaps some one with a better grasp of these matters than I can decide whether this may constitute blasphemy or sacrilege.

Happy to oblige, my child.

Yours in the faith,

Father Kirata


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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/8/2012 10:41:32 PM   
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Come to think of it, I recall being quite surprised when I first visited these forums even to see a forum headed 'Politics and Religion'. I'd never seen them put together in such a way before.


Yup. I did a double take when I saw 'Politics & Religion' strung together too. It wouldn't occur to me to put those two things together. In Australia, the role of religion in public life is far more muted than in the US. As a rule of thumb, Religion enters the political realm only when discussing a specific issue (eg abortion) or an individual politician who might choose to their religious beliefs on their sleeve. Fortunately, we don't have many of them.

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I understand that aspect of it.

But I see another aspect, such that I understand the juxtaposition perfectly.

I look at political ideology, and any that I've delved into cause as much eye-rolling as any religion does. They both eschew rational thought or proper analysis. They both incite people to yell and scream a lot, and are deft at inciting righteous indignation, etc.

Some people just hate looking at empirical evidence and seeing what actually works or not. We're just supposed to figure everything out by battling for moral high ground. How Nietzschian, though not in a good way.







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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/9/2012 2:39:32 AM   
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Well here's an american group who has faith in unicorns:


What's your point?

I don't mind if people believe in unicorns (of whatever sort).

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/9/2012 2:49:51 AM   
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Kirata

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Excellent point. While we are at it, we can note that Obama's re-election must be God's Will or part of the Divine Plan. How can any self respecting Christian oppose Obama's mandate? Wouldn't that be the next thing to opposing God's Plan or Will?*


Not at all. The ol' Debbil was behind it.


Really? But "God sent Katrina to punish" the fornicators and sodomites New Orleans is notorious for, not because there was a breathtakingly incompetent Republican in the White House.

So who decides whether it was God's Will or the eebil Deebil's? Why do all these decisions seem to be made by Republicans or looney Right wingers? Or is God as capricious and inconsistent as His/Her/It's followers make He/She/It out to be?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/9/2012 3:16:05 AM   
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is God as capricious and inconsistent as His/Her/It's followers make He/She/It out to be?

My goodness, child, of course he is. The Hebrews used to be his chosen people. Look what happened to them! Then for a time it was the Christians, until it became impossible to say what one was. These days he's rather fond of Atheists. Who would have guessed that one!

Yours in the faith, etc., etc.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/9/2012 4:55:27 AM   
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My goodness, child, of course he is. The Hebrews used to be his chosen people. Look what happened to them!

Hey, He only said that they were chosen, Kirata: He never mentioned what it was they'd been chosen for or that most of it was going to be pretty terrible...


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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/9/2012 6:49:46 AM   
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Kirata
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Obama's re-election must be God's Will

Not at all. The ol' Debbil was behind it.

who decides whether it was God's Will or the eebil Deebil's?

The Divine exerts no will: that would be interference and is prohibited.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 11/9/2012 6:52:47 AM   
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Or is God as capricious and inconsistent as His/Her/It's followers make He/She/It out to be?

The pagan god who ruled during most of Old Testament times was indeed a capricious fellow.


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