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Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 2:50:32 AM   
Politesub53


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Who votes for these despicable Republican morons ? He actually said that in a political debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:25:01 AM   
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Maybe an ESL course would help you.

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realise that life is that gift from God. And, I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," he said.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:27:10 AM   
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Who votes for these despicable Republican morons ? He actually said that in a political debate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737


You do understand that the Bible states that God already knows what we are going to do before we do it, right? If you believe in predestination, then getting pregnant from rape can be seen as intentional. It could be seen as a "test" of one's faith for that same reason.

Don't take that as a defense of Mourdock, just presenting a possible rationale for his belief. I have my personal beliefs about abortion, and I take the stand that Government should keep out of the decision-making.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:35:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Who votes for these despicable Republican morons ? He actually said that in a political debate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737


You do understand that the Bible states that God already knows what we are going to do before we do it, right? If you believe in predestination, then getting pregnant from rape can be seen as intentional. It could be seen as a "test" of one's faith for that same reason.

Don't take that as a defense of Mourdock, just presenting a possible rationale for his belief. I have my personal beliefs about abortion, and I take the stand that Government should keep out of the decision-making.


I'm not Christian, Catholic, or religious in any shape or form, and because of that I remain blissfully ignorant of the hypocrisies of the Bible/Torah or whatever other religious book people read, compared to what people actually DO.

That being said (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) If "God" already knows what we are going to do before we do it doesn't that negate that little value of "Free Will" and all that I've heard mentioned quite a few times as being in these religious books which people worship so blindly?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:39:27 AM   
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If God already knows what is going to happen, then he should also know that an abortion is going to happen. If he knows all then he is aware of the USSC ruling allowing for abortions. So what are the conservatives bitching about, it is set in motion, God's will that the abortion take place, people can't have it both ways, God's will only works for them and not for others

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:39:55 AM   
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Honestly, that was one of the things that started me to lean away from Christianity. Predestination didn't make sense to me anymore, if God knew all sorts of awful things were going to happen and just let it happen anyway for people to learn some "lesson" or some sort of "meaning," when some things just don't ever have meaning, and don't ever make sense. Plus, it gives people who do BAD things an easy way to justify them - if God knew it, and didn't stop them, then there was some REASON they were allowed to do what they did. It's all part of the plan.

But yes, predestination makes that statement not false. You can explain anything with "the lord works in mysterious ways."
So if he believes in predestination, as he said - he probably did struggle with himself, but as part of a faith that includes that belief, ultimately that WOULD be your conclusion if you took it literally.

And that's part of the reason why so many of them defend not offering abortion even in the case of rape. Because maybe the baby who was rape-conceived is going to be some king of wonderkind, because his conception was allowed by God. It doesn't mean they accept rape as a "good" thing - it means they see it as something awful that God allowed because the outcome would somehow be worth it that person, or for everyone. Trials and tribulations, Job, etc etc etc - there's the thought that we all have these horrible struggles, but for some reason at the end.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:41:10 AM   
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If "God" already knows what we are going to do before we do it doesn't that negate that little value of "Free Will"


And that's another one - how do those things possibly run parallel to each other? =p

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:44:45 AM   
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While not a Christian myself you must admit that knowing something has/will happen is different than controlling or forcing an outcome? Anyone who knows is welcome to please correct me if I am wrong. It is more akin to the entity pushing a cart in your way to see how you will get around it.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:48:54 AM   
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If God already knows what is going to happen, then he should also know that an abortion is going to happen. If he knows all then he is aware of the USSC ruling allowing for abortions. So what are the conservatives bitching about, it is set in motion, God's will that the abortion take place, people can't have it both ways, God's will only works for them and not for others


What came first? The Chicken or the Egg?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 4:54:42 AM   
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If "God" already knows what we are going to do before we do it doesn't that negate that little value of "Free Will"


And that's another one - how do those things possibly run parallel to each other? =p

I'm not sure I see the problem here. I used to know (pretty damn nearly exactly) what my ex-girlfirend would do in certain types of situations. How precisely did my knowing negate her free will?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:01:39 AM   
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It's pretty ironic that if it's "God" that knows everything that's supposed to happen, people feel the need to slam that entity.

Why are we not throwing fortune tellers and spiritualists in jail for failure to report crimes; like the mass murders that they surely must know about in advance?



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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:02:40 AM   
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Ask god, I hear he knows all.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:08:28 AM   
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You do understand that the Bible states that God already knows what we are going to do before we do it, right? If you believe in predestination, then getting pregnant from rape can be seen as intentional. It could be seen as a "test" of one's faith for that same reason.

I find your reasoning confusing, DS. Getting pregnant from rape is not something that a woman does. It is what happens to her. In this case God knows what the rapist is going to do and what the outcome will be. The woman is a passive victim of the rapist's evil and by extention the evil of God who could have prevented the act. But of course it wouldn't be kosher for God to interfere with the rapist's free will.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:10:23 AM   
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It's pretty ironic that if it's "God" that knows everything that's supposed to happen, people feel the need to slam that entity.

Why are we not throwing fortune tellers and spiritualists in jail for failure to report crimes; like the mass murders that they surely must know about in advance?



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God swore them to secrecy?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:11:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's pretty ironic that if it's "God" that knows everything that's supposed to happen, people feel the need to slam that entity.

Why are we not throwing fortune tellers and spiritualists in jail for failure to report crimes; like the mass murders that they surely must know about in advance?



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God swore them to secrecy?


More like they only give information in exchange for cash?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:13:04 AM   
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But of course it wouldn't be kosher for God to interfere with the rapist's free will.

Wait a minute... God is Jewish??

K.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:14:55 AM   
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Richard Mourdock, misogynist

Pregnancy after rape is what "God intended," says the Indiana Republican, showing the real right-to-life movement

Dear everyone asking what it is about Republican candidates and their clumsy talk about rape: This is a feature, not a bug.

The latest entrant into the Republican rape insensitivity bake-off is Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock, who said tonight that “even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.” He, of course, joins fellow Senate candidate Todd Akin, with his now-canonical “legitimate rape” comment, and Rep. Joe Walsh, running for election in Illinois, who claimed there was no reason a woman would ever need an abortion to save her life or preserve her health. The trailblazer was tea party candidate Sharron Angle, who failed to unseat Harry Reid in Nevada two years ago, and famously said that if a hypothetical teenager was raped and impregnated by her father, it was an opportunity to turn “a lemon situation into lemonade.”

Here’s why this is happening: The newer crop of Republican candidates and elected officials, are, more often than not, straight from the base. They’re less polished than their predecessors; they’re more ideologically pure. As a result, they’ve accidentally been letting the mask slip and showing what’s really at the core of the right-to-life movement.

For years, the movement has fought plausible charges that it is anti-woman by repackaging its abortion restrictions, in Orwellian fashion, as protections for women. They’ve done it so successfully that until recently, when so many alleged “gaffes” went viral, no one really noticed. What is the so-called Women’s Health Defense Act? A proposed ban on abortion before viability. What are “informed consent” laws purporting to give women all the information they need before having abortions? Forced ultrasounds, transvaginal, and some of them involving the forced viewing of the ultrasound, at the woman’s expense, under the stated supposition that she has no idea what’s growing inside her unless someone makes her look. (Never mind that 60 percent of women who have abortions have already given birth at least once.)

Where does rape come into this? If you doubt that the abortion obsession in this country is about sex more than it is about “babies,” just look to all this agonized public parsing about “legitimate rape” and “forcible rape.” Americans are, at least in theory, sensitive to survivors of rape, whose bodies have been cruelly used against their will, and they see a forced pregnancy as further suffering. The corollary, of course, is that pregnancy is the just punishment for consensual sex, or, if you think an embryo or fetus is the same as a person, that rape justifies capital punishment. But most people don’t think in those consistent absolutes, which is the reason that the antiabortion movement has sometimes conceded to rape exceptions, as Mitt Romney has — they’re willing to suffer them, occasionally, as a sort of gateway drug towards stigmatizing and marginalizing all abortion.

For now, anti-abortion absolutists have some explaining to do, and they’re doing it very, very badly. That’s because they aren’t used to cloaking their views in the rhetoric of compassion, something George W. Bush was so much better at. They’re used to how the base talks about this stuff amongst itself, when it’s open about seeing women as vessels whose decision-making is subsumed to God’s plan or to baby making. (Paul Ryan is ideologically aligned with this crowd, but usually has the political skills and earnest manner to keep him out of trouble. When he got asked in the debate about religion, he answered by talking about “science.”)

But every time a Republican politician says what he (usually he) really thinks about all this, we can ask ourselves the following: What are you if you think women have no idea what they’re doing when they have an abortion, that they need the law to bully them, if not to change their minds, then to make things as difficult as possible for them?

What are you if you think a woman’s right to her own body should be entirely subordinate to the possibility of an hours-old fertilized egg, and thus want to ban emergency contraception, as Akin does? What are you if you essentially render a pregnant woman an an incubator, as Akin did when he described pregnancy as, “All you add is food and climate control, and some time, and the embryo becomes you or me”? What with all of the double-talk, I’ll be plain. You’re a misogynist.


Read more: http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/richard_mourdock_misogynist/

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:17:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It's pretty ironic that if it's "God" that knows everything that's supposed to happen, people feel the need to slam that entity.

Why are we not throwing fortune tellers and spiritualists in jail for failure to report crimes; like the mass murders that they surely must know about in advance?



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They throw scientists in jail in Italy for failure to accurately predict earthquakes.

Actually, in some towns across the Bible Belt, they do throw fortune tellers and spiritualists in jail because fortune telling is illegal.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:17:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Who votes for these despicable Republican morons ? He actually said that in a political debate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737


You do understand that the Bible states that God already knows what we are going to do before we do it, right? If you believe in predestination, then getting pregnant from rape can be seen as intentional. It could be seen as a "test" of one's faith for that same reason.

Don't take that as a defense of Mourdock, just presenting a possible rationale for his belief. I have my personal beliefs about abortion, and I take the stand that Government should keep out of the decision-making.


So if I go and cut out Mourdocks tongue he shouldn't get upset cause it was predistined and only a test?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/24/2012 5:18:53 AM   
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But of course it wouldn't be kosher for God to interfere with the rapist's free will.

Wait a minute... God is Jewish??

K.


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