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LonDom61 -> RE: need some help with my man (11/3/2012 10:25:43 AM)
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Hi folks.
This has little to do with the OP. But an issue has been opened on the thread. I contributed to it. This addresses a reasonable question to me regarding it. And is, I hope, the last entry I will make on this off-topic subject.
Aswad: You asked for a credible source for my assertion about stoning being legal until about 10 years ago. It is very reasonable to request a source and consider how credible that source is.
I cannot vouch for my source. I put 20 minutes into the search, 10 into writing my reply. That is insufficient to check multiple sources & viewpoints, double check sources, achieve synthesis. But plenty of time to allow to research a single post made here.
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So...now more time invested. In the interests of fairness.
I also checked Ask.com. No date of formally outlawing stoning jumped out at me.
I have gone back to look at the pages I scanned before. Here is what I found:
Yes, yes, there are laws on the books in Turkey saying stoning someone is illegal. But if one did stone someone to death prior to 2003 to defend the family honor that person would have received a reduced prison sentence for the murder. It wasn't until the summer of 2003 that the Turkish Parliament approved a slew of human rights laws, including one that abolished reduced prison terms for murders committed in the name of ''family honor.''
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2011/02/throwing_stones_in_turkey.html
I admit that, in my quick scan, I mis-interpreted this. According to this source, stoning wasnèt illegal until 2003. It is merely that--yes, according to the blogger-- the government, when confronted with the fact of it, winked and said -well, lets give you a break on that one-.
Is the source credible. I canèt say. Itès a blog. No quality or bias control on blogs. I was doing a quick scan for info. I googled. I scanned about 10 pages on different sites. This seemed to most closely address the question.
What is the actual date it was made illegal. I donèt know. I am curious now. Will probably do some more looking. I do not promise to report it back here.
But, whether or not it is illegal, it happens. Not much in cities like Istanbul. Itès all or mostly Muslim to Muslim (unless, perhaps, the other adulterer was an infidel maybe.) But my previous quotes, with links, address how much it happens in Turkey TODAY.
According to the same blogger it is often covered up. Stoning itself==though not the death penalty for the same crimes==is often avoided by this means:
Since it is technically illegal in Turkey to kill women for dishonoring the family, women who do so are harassed and pressured into committing honor-suicide. Women who refuse to honor-kill themselves are subsequently stoned, burned, hanged, strangled, shot, stabbed or beaten to death. These murders, if they are reported at all, are ruled an accident or suicide. The police are often bribed (and encouraged by their government) to ignore crimes and hinder investigations. In this manner, Turkey is able to show itself as having the least honor-killings among nations with Muslim-majority populations.
same link as above
I chided Ull for blasting Rose. The above shows that I did not have sufficient reason to say to Ull that ONE of her assertions was false.
I think Ull made aspersions that should not be made at all. Enough was wrong with the rest of her claim that I still think she had insufficient basis to disagree, much less do so in such an insulting fashion.
I have now put another hour into this. That is all the time I am prepared to give this subject. I hope we can now go back to concentrating on the OP.
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