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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 7:46:22 PM

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Why would anyone need to own one of these?

They are loads of fun to shoot, great conversation pieces, and if you have a bit of high ground on a patch of property with way too many rodents on it, very effective varmint guns. They also allow lousy shots many more opportunities to put some meat in the freezer.

Also useful in the event of zombie apocalypse.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 7:47:19 PM

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Again... why do you need..........

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 7:48:49 PM

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I think the whole affair was sleazy.

Perhaps. I'm fine with sleazy, per se.

The gay guy in charge of the Conservative Party here back home can get head from his hubby in the office as much as he likes for all I care, so long as he doesn't leave any stains on any office furniture the state paid for. I would be equally fine with him getting it from a sex worker, so long as the sex worker is getting the agreed-upon payment. His hubby might mind, but that's between the two of them (I don't know what kind of marriage they have, and so I can't assess the degree to which he's doing anything wrong, if at all).

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The fact that he was fooling around on his wife was as bad as lying under oath.

Hardly. The former is a personal issue that may be indicative of poor character, but we don't know that it is, as we're not parties to their marriage. The latter, by contrast, is a public issue, as he was in a public office, lying to the public from that position, and then later lying under oath (strictly speaking, he did not lie, but for practical purposes he did).

The former also bears keeping in mind that Hillary has stood by him throughout, and that she writes the whole thing off as foul play by the political right. This speaks to the notion that any related issues in their marriage is, in this sense, resolved to her satisfaction. Which isn't a very strange thing, considering they're both reasonable adults.

So, no, those two aspects aren't even remotely comparable.

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Though I don't think it rose to the level of impeachment.

It shouldn't have, at least.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 7:50:24 PM

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Oh that I agree with. I dont think it was quite as simple as that.

It never is.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 8:08:22 PM

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Again... why do you need..........

Second verse, same as the first. And I don't need one, Tazzy. Unless they put an AA-12 on the market, and then I certainly would find a way to rationalize a new toy

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 8:16:10 PM

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We all want things.. new toys.. ect. Some are regulated... some are banned... some are freely accessible.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 8:49:41 PM

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That a thread questioning the hypothetical response of the left to an Obama defeat, has turned to a gun discussion seems to be answering the question pretty well.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 8:56:37 PM

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In all fairness, we shouldn't start from the position of individuals having to demonstrate a need for liberty. Instead, regulatory authorities should start from the position that liberty can only be reluctantly enroached on when clearly both necessary and effective. Meaning, firearms regulations may be sensible for certain classes of firearms, but that must be backed by solid evidence (and the definitions drawn up on the basis of a solid model that must make clear predictions that must come true in order for the measures to stay in place), plus backed by a clear need (I think we can document a need quite readily for some classes, though).

The technology is readily available to provide advance notice to police, restrict unwarranted usage in a deterministic manner that can be defeated in a legitimate use case (alerting the police in the process), and to do so in a manner that doesn't infringe on any use, except for two: mass murder and full-on civil war. Most will not argue that mass murder is a legitimate use. Full-on civil war is not viable with current levels of surveillance and the ability to easily assemble automated weapons platforms that can take out anyone engaging in such activities. As such, there isn't any reasonable argument for anything but a collectable to be easily handled with regulations that are in line with the accomplishable goals of all the parties involved.

Right now, though, there doesn't seem to be any room for reality in the debate.

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ETA: Sorry, TheHeretic.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 8:57:11 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4288998

Take that up with lovmuffin

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:22:42 PM

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I think the whole affair was sleazy.

Perhaps. I'm fine with sleazy, per se.

The gay guy in charge of the Conservative Party here back home can get head from his hubby in the office as much as he likes for all I care, so long as he doesn't leave any stains on any office furniture the state paid for. I would be equally fine with him getting it from a sex worker, so long as the sex worker is getting the agreed-upon payment. His hubby might mind, but that's between the two of them (I don't know what kind of marriage they have, and so I can't assess the degree to which he's doing anything wrong, if at all).

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The fact that he was fooling around on his wife was as bad as lying under oath.

Hardly. The former is a personal issue that may be indicative of poor character, but we don't know that it is, as we're not parties to their marriage. The latter, by contrast, is a public issue, as he was in a public office, lying to the public from that position, and then later lying under oath (strictly speaking, he did not lie, but for practical purposes he did).

The former also bears keeping in mind that Hillary has stood by him throughout, and that she writes the whole thing off as foul play by the political right. This speaks to the notion that any related issues in their marriage is, in this sense, resolved to her satisfaction. Which isn't a very strange thing, considering they're both reasonable adults.

So, no, those two aspects aren't even remotely comparable.

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Though I don't think it rose to the level of impeachment.

It shouldn't have, at least.

IWYW,
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" Indicative of poor character", Thats what I should have posted. exactly. And you're right, his philandering doesn't rise to the level of lying under oath.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:24:17 PM

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We all want things.. new toys.. ect. Some are regulated... some are banned... some are freely accessible.

Some are guaranteed under the constitution.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:27:56 PM

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The right to own arms is guaranteed. Have you been told you cannot own any?

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:34:18 PM

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In response to the question of why does someone need an assault weapon consider that the second amendment helps defend the first amendment. Being reasonable goes a long way. Being reasonable and armed with an M16 with a thirty round clip gets you even further.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:37:29 PM

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Again... why do you need..........

It's late and I don't want to get into it all right now but the second amendment and paramilitary arms protect us from crooked politicians. If the populace is armed we shouldn't need them as the framers intended. They keep tyranny at bay. With a 16 trillion debt looming and the likelihood of hyperinflation wih food shortages and riots and all the rest of it I prefer to be armed with some of the good stuff.

The Heretic mentioned Zombies. I think thats a little far fetched. I'm more worried about unfriendly aliens. Ya ever see that show on TV "Falling Skies" ? As a result of an armed populace those guys at least have some pretty decent firepower.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:37:40 PM

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And the unreasonable and owning an M16?

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:44:22 PM

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The right to own arms is guaranteed. Have you been told you cannot own any?

Liberal democrats and others have been doing their best to legislate and restrict guns and the second amendment since 1968 and even before. You know it. I know it, and the American people know it. Clinton tried his very best to do it. As luck would have it, in the end he failed.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:50:44 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4288998

Take that up with lovmuffin

I'll take it up with Aswad later. He doesn't make it as simple as the rest of you guys.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:52:35 PM

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And the unreasonable and owning an M16?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:52:44 PM

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whats your problem with the following....

The Brady Bill...

Assault weapons ban....

"Clinton also moved by Executive Order to ban the import of assault pistols like the Israeli-made Uzi and tightened up the licensing rules for gun dealers to make it harder for people to run gun shops out of hotel rooms or the trunks of their cars. Under his new rules, anyone applying for a permit to sell weapons will be fingerprinted and subject to a background check.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,162229,00.html#ixzz2BQ2bbVDR"....

Im just curious. We can always start a new thread.

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RE: How will the left react, if Obama loses? - 11/5/2012 9:54:24 PM

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And the unreasonable and owning an M16?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

It was in response to Yourthreshold

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