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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

Didn't Stephen Hawkins disprove most of this??

And you think so why?

If one takes the positivist position, as I do, one cannot say what time actually is. All one can do is describe what has been found to be a very good mathematical model for time and say what predictions it makes.

~Stephen Hawking, The Universe In a Nutshell, page 31

K.

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It really exposed the know-nothingism of the local school board in Dover and how easily they became ideological dupes for the Discovery Institute which pushes the pseudo science of Intelligent Design under the false banner of conflict in the Darwinian Model, demanding equal time in the science classroom. Their greatest success has been dumbing down the Evolution content of high school text books. So, while Fitzmiller was a resounding rejection of ID by a Republican appointed judge yet on the basis of the science, it was just one battle, as you say. And the result in Dover was a sad dismembering of many neighborly friendships. Monkey Girl is a rich book and an easy read.
Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

I disagree that religion is more important than science. Moral fabric is important, but religion is not the only path to morality.

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If they really felt religion was more important, they would just pray, and leave it up to god.

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Give it up to god if god and religion are so powerful.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

There is no general belief that timespace is a fixed constant.  That is so newtonian.

Schlau, aber nicht wahr.

Al Einstein  (maybe you've heard of me?)

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In physics, objective reality is defined as that which exists whether or not it is being observed. A fundamental problem with this definition is that it can never be verified by observation because all of our observations, without exception, are purely subjective and can never go beyond the mind (see Section 1.1). ...

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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It really exposed the know-nothingism of the local school board in Dover and how easily they became ideological dupes for the Discovery Institute which pushes the pseudo science of Intelligent Design under the false banner of conflict in the Darwinian Model, demanding equal time in the science classroom. Their greatest success has been dumbing down the Evolution content of high school text books. So, while Fitzmiller was a resounding rejection of ID by a Republican appointed judge yet on the basis of the science, it was just one battle, as you say. And the result in Dover was a sad dismembering of many neighborly friendships. Monkey Girl is a rich book and an easy read.
Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

I would disagree with the notion that they were dupes of the Discovery Institute. Rather, they were ideological pals who engaged in the same behavior... pushing religion while denying that they were doing so. The hypocrisy is off the scale. They promote a god who they claim is the author of morality yet they constantly lie about their intentions. Judge Jones referred to the actions of the school board as "breathtaking inanity." When a judge (a republican appointed, conservative, church going judge!) says that about you... well... I don't know how those people can show their face in public.

There is also an excellent PBS Nova documentary about the trial.

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

I do not see a problem. Both are important but religion is more important, and it gets more attention. Religion gives a child cosmic dimension while science adds to it practical aspect for everyday life on Earth.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Not even close sport.    Space is there it is absolute.  Time is there it is absolute.  (those are a given in any objective reality)  Without space and time spacetime, there is no reality at all, if that be the case you can tell me about before the big bang when there was no spacetime.

It is unchanging in that space is dimensional, and it has certain guarenteed properties for every situation (in that, for example, it cannot move faster than the speed of light, nor doe anything happen in space faster than the speed of light, and if it did or does, it is beyond our ken, and does not exist)

And far as time?  Unchanging.   It has to do with the speed of light in space.   It holds no real surprise, but many conundrums.

Here is Al again:

Time, as we understand it, does not flow from present to past.

Time does not mean clocks, space does not mean beyond the envelope.

Absolute and unchanging is not equivalent in any way to constant and fixed.

And to explain it further would lose you more than you are lost now.

And the proof is here, this is a trivial conundrum, solve it correctly:

At    some arbitrary interval mirrors are placed facing each other and an electron is simultaneously shot from each mirror, simultaneously,  they are absorbed by each mirror, all according to exact clocks.

Did they travel twice the speed of light in any frame of reference?

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir


I see it more as religion teaches "why" but science teaches "how". It doesn't have to be either/or. It can be both/and.

Not every Christian sees the Bible as a scientific textbook.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


Sorry to burst that bubble, the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) has discovered particles that travel faster than light
That rather puts that theory to bed.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
They are looking for the Higgs Boson (the god particle) and it would not move faster than the speed of light, nor would it need to, to do its job.