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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/3/2013 9:53:19 PM

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I will make it simple.

I own 12 firearms.

I have a few thousand rounds of ammo for each one.

If the second amendment is ever repealed, when they come to take my guns, they better bring a fucking load of body bags.

And there it is....!

One fine example of responsible gun ownership - the American way.

Focus.

Actually, if you would have read my reasons for making such a statement, you would understand, maybe.

The right to keep firearms have been taken away by a number of governments, and it is usually followed by the loss of every other right due to a citizen.

FYI, I was in the Army, and part of my duty was to defend the country and the rights given the citizens under the constitution.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/3/2013 10:06:30 PM

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so we should not oppose another errosion of rights?

the patriot act & various other acts since already took them away.. so, ummm.. what rights do you actually have left???

they take them away with the stroke of a pen.. your gun doesnt stop that in any way, shape or form.. all they have to do is use the "t" word (terrorist) against you and you roll over and play dead..

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/3/2013 10:13:10 PM

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so we should not oppose another errosion of rights?

the patriot act & various other acts since already took them away.. so, ummm.. what rights do you actually have left???

they take them away with the stroke of a pen.. your gun doesnt stop that in any way, shape or form.. all they have to do is use the "t" word (terrorist) against you and you roll over and play dead..

that would be yes

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/3/2013 10:14:33 PM

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the effect of gun control is measured in it's overall effect on crime not just on gun crime if you cannot understand that sorry
btw arrogance and condesintion are not in any way related to being a good sport.
tell me what happened to the crime rate, not judt the gun crime rate when guns were banned there , I have heard conflicting reports
I know that here gun bans have consistently been followed by skyrocketing crime and murder rates
so even if it worked there it doesn't work here oh yes what both you and she doesn't understand is the difference between listening and agreeing

Your perceived "arrogance and condesintion" from me amounts to a lack of respect. That's entirely your fault, not mine. You've persistently posted utter nonsense and made up "facts" as you go along. Bad me for calling you on it...!

Overall, hearing only that which you wanna hear does not constitute listening. For the last time, the overall rates of crime and violence in Australia are on a par with all other western nations EXCEPT the US. Africans and their love of machetes aside, when's the last time you heard of a spree killing using knives, for cryin' out loud???

As for the challenge I set you (Now, do the impossible and impress me - I friggin' DARE YOU.), figures you'd crash and burn....

Hooroo!

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/3/2013 10:21:19 PM

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Please feel free to start the various gun threads as needed. I am actually a day or two late posting this so my apologies. But as long as the views etc being discussed about guns are different and not duplicates, please do not feel that you have to post in only this thread. I will leave open for those that wish to keep this discussion going, but please feel free to start other threads as needed, because, the users are right, there are different facets and discussions possible concerning guns.

Lol, think the horses have well and truly bolted - that the discussion (for what it is) has now gone where it's gone.

But I doubt it'll be too long before another US gun related atrocity re-boots normal programming.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/3/2013 10:44:39 PM

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Actually, if you would have read my reasons for making such a statement, you would understand, maybe.

The right to keep firearms have been taken away by a number of governments, and it is usually followed by the loss of every other right due to a citizen.

FYI, I was in the Army, and part of my duty was to defend the country and the rights given the citizens under the constitution.

Smallish nation that we are (by population), we do have modern and very well equipped armed forces. It's their job to defend the nation.

As do specialised units of our assorted Police Forces. They are the only ones to legally have auto and semi auto weapons available to them. Though standard issue pistol for the average beat cop is also a semi auto. (Glock) And probably registered private security firms have them, as well.

The big problem with your ancient 2nd amendment is that there are no foreign invaders threatening - haven't been for centuries. Your cultural paranoia is really about the "enemy within" - your own freakin' neighbours are the ones likely to threaten your home and person in some way, not some mythical foreign invader. You know, the ones with exactly the same right to bear arms as yourself.

Now, where does it end? What if the rowdy yobbo up the street has 13 guns to your 12? How many does it take to "feel" safe, 14? More? Truth is there's no such thing as enough - that the problem is and has always been waaaaaay too many, *now*!

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/3/2013 10:57:21 PM

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Maybe you should read the quote I posted by Thomas Jefferson. The truth of the matter is that the threat to the citizens of the United States is none other than the government of the United States.

Since 9/11 the government has slowly eroded, limited or circumvented basic principles of law. Two separate and independent secret court systems exist in addition to the established state and federal courts.

Both courts can issue search warrants that can be acted on without notifying the subject of the warrant. One deals with terrorism one deals with drugs.

Prior to that laws were passed by congress and signed by the president that allows for the confiscation of property or money without due process.

Mao said political power rests in gun ownership.

Once the government starts eliminating the bill of rights, then this country is no longer of the people. Actually the government belongs to big business, not the people.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 9:54:09 AM

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the effect of gun control is measured in it's overall effect on crime not just on gun crime if you cannot understand that sorry
btw arrogance and condesintion are not in any way related to being a good sport.
tell me what happened to the crime rate, not judt the gun crime rate when guns were banned there , I have heard conflicting reports
I know that here gun bans have consistently been followed by skyrocketing crime and murder rates
so even if it worked there it doesn't work here oh yes what both you and she doesn't understand is the difference between listening and agreeing

Your perceived "arrogance and condesintion" from me amounts to a lack of respect. That's entirely your fault, not mine. You've persistently posted utter nonsense and made up "facts" as you go along. Bad me for calling you on it...!

Overall, hearing only that which you wanna hear does not constitute listening. For the last time, the overall rates of crime and violence in Australia are on a par with all other western nations EXCEPT the US. Africans and their love of machetes aside, when's the last time you heard of a spree killing using knives, for cryin' out loud???

As for the challenge I set you (Now, do the impossible and impress me - I friggin' DARE YOU.), figures you'd crash and burn....

Hooroo!

Focus.

I have not made up a single fact, If you do not like my contition that England/wales has a higher violent crime rate than the U S take it up with the British home office it was their firgures I used
people who don't have pets know all about training thime people who don't have kids consider themselves to know all about rearing them and people who don't have guns feel it is their duty to talk down to those of us whoh do , you see a pattern there?
Impressing you ranks right up there with checking on whoes walking down the street in other words not at all
You do know do you not that these personal attacks can get you banned

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 10:00:51 AM

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responsible ownership
rule 6
know your firearm/ammunition
you must know how to use any firearm well and safely
you must know how far rounds will carry and how much penitration
for example unless you live alone out in the country only a fool would use a .308 for home defense as it will penetrate the neighbors wall let alone yours

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 10:09:34 AM

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The UNODC made a study in 2012 that includes most countries of the world. The following lists show only the most recent data. Intentional homicide in this case is defined as unlawful death purposefully inflicted on a person by another person.

United States 4.2 12,996 Americas Northern America

United Kingdom 1.2 722 Europe Northern Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Total Crimes

United States: 11,877,218

United Kingdom 6,523,706

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

Per capita based upon population size, the UK has more crime. In real numbers, The US tops the list.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 10:48:00 AM

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~FR

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The UNODC made a study in 2012 that includes most countries of the world. The following lists show only the most recent data. Intentional homicide in this case is defined as unlawful death purposefully inflicted on a person by another person.

United States 4.2 12,996 Americas Northern America

United Kingdom 1.2 722 Europe Northern Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Total Crimes

United States: 11,877,218

United Kingdom 6,523,706

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

Per capita based upon population size, the UK has more crime. In real numbers, The US tops the list.

and I only stated that UK has a higher crime rate I never said they had a higher gross nimber of crimes

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:01:10 AM

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Mao said political power rests in gun ownership.

what good does your "gun" do when the govt has so much more manpower and weapons than you do? You keep going on like your gun ownership gives you some sort of power over the govt.. it doesnt.. the govts gun & weapon ownership & arsenal gives them power over you tho..

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:06:26 AM

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and I only stated that UK has a higher crime rate I never said they had a higher gross nimber of crimes

Again you are not being honestly factual...
what you said, more than once was

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4340640

does this mean that the violent crime rate in England and wales exceeds the 3-5 times the U S Rate indicated by the stats?

and in posts..that got removed you stated, as shown in the link by Focus...http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4340757

according to FBI and british homeland stats there is 3.5 times as much violent crime in England and Walse as the is in the U S so it would appear they are.

Sooooooooooo be a tad more truthful with your"claims'''

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:07:57 AM

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Mao said political power rests in gun ownership.

what good does your "gun" do when the govt has so much more manpower and weapons than you do? You keep going on like your gun ownership gives you some sort of power over the govt.. it doesnt.. the govts gun & weapon ownership & arsenal gives them power over you tho..

have you heard of viet Nam Irag or Afganistan

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:25:49 AM

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Mao said political power rests in gun ownership.

what good does your "gun" do when the govt has so much more manpower and weapons than you do? You keep going on like your gun ownership gives you some sort of power over the govt.. it doesnt.. the govts gun & weapon ownership & arsenal gives them power over you tho..

have you heard of viet Nam Irag or Afganistan

oh get real.. the US is full of sheeple, no where near like those countries where they were invaded and had nothing to lose.. your OWS was a wash out and accomplished nothing.. you think a few prepper nutbars with guns is a match for the govt? you forget your own US history of Ruby Ridge and Waco?

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:40:21 AM

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oh get real.. the US is full of sheeple, no where near like those countries where they were invaded and had nothing to lose.. your OWS was a wash out and accomplished nothing.. you think a few prepper nutbars with guns is a match for the govt? you forget your own US history of Ruby Ridge and Waco?

We kicked some pretty good British arse once too.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:46:47 AM

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and I only stated that UK has a higher crime rate I never said they had a higher gross nimber of crimes

Again you are not being honestly factual...
what you said, more than once was

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4340640

does this mean that the violent crime rate in England and wales exceeds the 3-5 times the U S Rate indicated by the stats?

and in posts..that got removed you stated, as shown in the link by Focus...http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4340757

according to FBI and british homeland stats there is 3.5 times as much violent crime in England and Walse as the is in the U S so it would appear they are.

Sooooooooooo be a tad more truthful with your"claims'''

that is what I said

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:50:42 AM

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if you can't evaluate tactical situations don't carry, are they a threat, do you have a clear shot, right up till you fire you can change your mind once you do there is no turning back

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 11:56:24 AM

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After two weeks of media reports that a .223 AR-15 Bushmaster was found in the trunk of Lanza's car, gun aficionados point out that the rifle is not a Bushmaster, nor even an AR-class assault weapon.
Gun experts say that the weapon shown in an NBC News report is some kind of shotgun.

Whole story

Not an ebil assault weapon? I'm shocked!!!!

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/4/2013 12:00:46 PM

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oh get real.. the US is full of sheeple, no where near like those countries where they were invaded and had nothing to lose.. your OWS was a wash out and accomplished nothing.. you think a few prepper nutbars with guns is a match for the govt? you forget your own US history of Ruby Ridge and Waco?

We kicked some pretty good British arse once too.

sure, you kicked British arse but that was how many centuries ago? that was a different country in so many ways.. today few people would risk their lives, their homes and careers to fight their own US govt.. its not worth it to them.. they just try to convince themselves that OWS was some sort of victory and that their vote counts for something..

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