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needlesandpins -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/5/2013 12:43:32 PM)
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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
...actually Pam, on further thought i see no difference in writing either way when applying it to a specific person.
No? Then why don't you choose to say it in a way that does NOT violate TOS?
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talking about 'personal attack' as opposed to statement of truth doesn't change that. it's semantics.
No. The two statements mean different things. "You are a hypocrite" is a criticism of the person, themselves. "That is hypocritical" is a criticism of the argument. I think the administration is perfectly right in saying that the first is unacceptable while the second is.
I can think of no possible "context" that would require you to criticize the person instead of their argument. I don't think that rule is unreasonable or difficult to follow, and I'm mystified at this public outcry. That said, I would be willing to concede the point and abide by a new set of rules if that's what the majority of posters wanted. Can you say the same? Because, frankly, I think it's selfish for a small group of posters to try to impose their will over the majority. You've been "outvoted" on this. I think it's fair to expect you to abide by the consensus. If there were something inherently unfair about expecting people to attack the post and not the poster, then I might agree with you. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong, regardless of how many people agree. But this is simply a matter of preference. What makes what you want so much more important than the sum of what everyone wants?
If you want, I can start a poll and prove it. But I'm pretty sure the majority of posters like that rule the way it is and, that being the case, it's unreasonable to expect the mods to change it.
Pam
Pam, i'm fed up of saying this, if you say to a particular person that they are a hypocrite, or 'that's hypocritical' that is semantics. the point of the statement is the same no matter how it's said. a person can put a devil's advocate opinion over that you could then say 'that is hypocritical', but when it is that person's own view the statement is then directed at that person no matter how you write it. it is only by the mod's making the rules up as they go along that make you think that one statement is right but the other isn't. they are both exactly the same when said about a person's own opinions/actions.
as for my bolded part, i think you will find that that is exactly what i am talking about when i say that the button happy pushers are doing. certain people whinge and complain about things that are not actually anything to do with them.
quite a few people are saying exactly the same. being offeneded because there is something in a thread aimed at someone else, who doesn't actually care about it themselves spoils it for other people too.
so some get moderatored and penalised for the sake of a tender heart. that is wrong.
if it were all so right then these threads wouldn't keep coming up.
needles
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