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ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:20:23 PM)
FR: I think the people who post here should understand that the owner(s) main concentration is not Collarchat, since it is not a revenue source. There are no ads on this side, and the fact is people (sources of revenue) come in through CollarMe and perhaps hit the forums. It very rarely happens the other way around, so rarely as to not matter statistically. And revenue is a big part of what CM is about, that's why they have all the sex ads. The forums are a small off-shoot moderated by volunteers who are either unclear about the rules or are too busy (or whatever) to enforce them consistently. And yes I know this, I've been moderated very inconsistently. I know who some of the moderators are, b/c someone told me. Now, I seriously try to stay out of drama, so if I know, way too many people know. (In my mind the entire idea of keeping the moderators secret is high school, but let me not digress.) I would say one of the moderators is almost certainly the site owner (I would not stake my life on it, but I think it's very probable), who gives minimal direction to the volunteer moderators. (Did I mention Collarchat brings in no revenue?) Overseeing non-paid volunteers is an issue, since they work hard for no money, how much flack are you going to give them? It takes exceptional leadership to give them any at all. I know, I've worked in more than one professional capacity that depended on volunteers. Now, I agree that moderation has been woefully non-consistent. But allowing a thread heaping a ton of flack on the mods tells me something, which is that although Collarchat is not a revenue source, the owner(s) see it as having some value to the BDSM community. I really wish the owner(s) could get their act together to the point they could develop sound posting policy and have the mods stick to it. Personally I would love to see moderation directed toward who can post, like the millionth fake pro domme, than toward the actual content. We are adults; sometimes when adults converse, the discussion gets heated.

Hillwilliam -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:23:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis What is it that you guys want most? Do away with the "You Rule"? Have people moderate under their regular nics? This is my suggestion to those who say TOS violations are allowed to remain: In the thread where it happens, quote or reply to the offending post and underneath it say "your post violates TOS". You don't even have to report it. Just saying that will draw public attention to any favoritism that may exist. Pam re: the "You rule" Any 'rule' that takes longer to write than to circumvent isn't a very good rule IMO. Here's the idea. I know it's gonna be revolutionary but.................... Enforce the rules "As they are written" Ive only been saying this since August. Most if not all letters about a post that violates TOS have a link to TOS. There are also links to 3 other pages concerning 'netiquette' Last but not least are the clay tablets and dusty scrolls left by Mods 1 and 2. I'm probably one of the few people who has actually taken the time to read ALL of them. I know that at least one mod (not active at this time) hasn't because I would get letters referencing things that were not there. If I asked, the reply was basically "Tough shit, talk to Alpha". Guess what? Alpha had more important things on her mind like recovering from heart surgery. If a Mod doesnt know the rules, he really doesnt need to be a mod does he?

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:30:50 PM)
When was the last time the TOS was updated? Has a consistent set of mod rules been posted? Number one to solving this problem is having a consistent, easy to read and understand set of rules that is posted in public. If a mod sends a gold letter, there should be an explanation referring to that easy to read and understand set of rules, so the person knows exactly what the infraction is. No exceptions.

Aswad -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:43:17 PM)
nm.

tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:45:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl For me, its both. In order to get that change, how I conduct myself goes a long way to how much the Admins/Site will listen. Some, perhaps, perceive conducting themselves in the way you describe as "selling out", and they would rather lose than have to act that way. Pam Im sure they would.. and do. I am after the goal... not how good or bad I look while obtaining it to others.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 1:53:21 PM)
For some, thinking that you have sold out is not about how you look, its about how you view yourself. I get having a goal. I think having a goal to change the moderation here is great except it's so utterly useless. Unless and until the owner steps in with some serious oversight, nothing will permanently change. It's the oversight and the giving a fuck about part of the site that does not draw revenue that is at issue. As always, JMO.

tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:07:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt For some, thinking that you have sold out is not about how you look, its about how you view yourself. I get having a goal. I think having a goal to change the moderation here is great except it's so utterly useless. Unless and until the owner steps in with some serious oversight, nothing will permanently change. It's the oversight and the giving a fuck about part of the site that does not draw revenue that is at issue. As always, JMO. I dont find it utterly useless. Its not easy. Doesnt always work. But sometimes, like with the racial slurs, it does. And, on that, I view myself just fine. I saw a problem emerging and I worked up the chain of command, making my case all the way along. I didnt rant, rave, or even make posts in forums about it. I do not know if others had a hand in that or not by making their own complaints. I would like to think I was not alone. But my first attempt will always be a diplomatic one.

jlf1961 -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:12:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt For some, thinking that you have sold out is not about how you look, its about how you view yourself. I get having a goal. I think having a goal to change the moderation here is great except it's so utterly useless. Unless and until the owner steps in with some serious oversight, nothing will permanently change. It's the oversight and the giving a fuck about part of the site that does not draw revenue that is at issue. As always, JMO. I dont find it utterly useless. Its not easy. Doesnt always work. But sometimes, like with the racial slurs, it does. And, on that, I view myself just fine. I saw a problem emerging and I worked up the chain of command, making my case all the way along. I didnt rant, rave, or even make posts in forums about it. I do not know if others had a hand in that or not by making their own complaints. I would like to think I was not alone. But my first attempt will always be a diplomatic one. Tazzy, perhaps you might want to post a thread on the procedure you used. Seems that would make more since than a thread slamming the site and moderators.. Of course, as I said before, my philosophy is that if it dont work the first time, get a bigger damn hammer

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:21:53 PM)
Do you really think you have effected long term change? Sorry, you have made yourself enough of a pest that mods have been told to be careful, the second you are no longer posting here, that will change. Unless you actually got through to the owner. If you have a fast track for that, perhaps you could clue us in? B/c "working up the chain of command" here on good ole CM is talking to the Admin, not that hard to do, you cmail her. Unless there is some other "special" "secret" chain of command, in which case, that speaks for itself.

tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:24:49 PM)
quote: Do you really think you have effected long term change? Sorry, you have made yourself enough of a pest that mods have been told to be careful, the second you are no longer posting here, that will change. Unless you actually got through to the owner. ~chuckles I can imagine where that came from quote: If you have a fast track for that, perhaps you could clue us in? B/c "working up the chain of command" here on good ole CM is talking to the Admin, not that hard to do, you cmail her. Unless there is some other "special" "secret" chain of command, in which case, that speaks for itself. Nope, I mean spotting a trend on certain threads or areas. Talking to the Admins who usually work those areas. Asking their opinions, discussing it with them, then, if they are seeing the same thing I am, either they take it from there, or I do. This is really the same system most businesses use, yes? Oh, and btw, before it becomes a rumor, much like most rumors, with no truth behind it, I have never once been in contact with the owners.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:30:34 PM)
"You can imagine where that came from," again, please clue me in. I have no idea what you are talking about, except, you got called out and had to put in a dig. It was a half-assed dig but please enlighten me. You discussed things with the mods, well that's just great, we've all seen the high mod standard here on CM. So you and an Admin agreed. Okaysies, good all around. Do you really think that means long term change for how things are done here? Really?

kalikshama -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:31:54 PM)
quote: Someone cant be part of an effective change if all they do is bitch then leave. For example... I pushed hard for the racial slut rule to be made. I am in no way taking sole credit for that policy to be made. It was a huge problem all over the boards with no clear cut policy. Now, when it pops up, there is no "grey area" for any Admin.... its a clear cut policy. I'm not sure what you mean by racial slut (?) I was bothered by the use of the term feminazi and created a thread about it, just exploring the use of the word. I didn't rant or rave about it. Gamma took the issue to Alpha who decided it was in fact a derogatory term. Mission accomplished.

Moonhead -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:34:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: Someone cant be part of an effective change if all they do is bitch then leave. For example... I pushed hard for the racial slut rule to be made. I am in no way taking sole credit for that policy to be made. It was a huge problem all over the boards with no clear cut policy. Now, when it pops up, there is no "grey area" for any Admin.... its a clear cut policy. I'm not sure what you mean by racial slut (?) I was bothered by the use of the term feminazi and created a thread about it, just exploring the use of the word. I didn't rant or rave about it. Gamma took the issue to Alpha who decided it was in fact a derogatory term. Mission accomplished. That said, it is quite a useful term, as it's a given that anybody who uses it with a straight face is a cretin, and can be ignored without your missing anything important. [;)]

jlf1961 -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:35:00 PM)
You know, I have realized that there have been more complaints about how the mods do things since I joined collarme, therefore all these problems must be my fault.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:36:39 PM)
Mission accomplished for now. Let the owner(s) come on here and explain what their agenda is, how they see Collarchat evolving, and what they would like the moderation rules to be, and then we can seriously talk. Until then, we're all just pissing in the wind.

tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:37:26 PM)
Was more than just that, kalik. There were many such incidences... "rag head" was coming out an awful lot on the political forums. There were other terms being used that seemed to slip.. and saying something on a thread about it was getting me no where because the reply back was.. show me the TOS. Mod21 posted a thread about racial slurs. quote: We do not allow racial or ethnic slurs on this website. Just because the content filter does not catch a word does NOT mean it is allowed. Mod21 http://www.collarchat.com/m_3971141/mpage_1/key_racial%252Cslurs/tm.htm#3971141

kalikshama -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:38:31 PM)
Oh, you said slut, not slur [;)]

tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:38:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt "You can imagine where that came from," again, please clue me in. I have no idea what you are talking about, except, you got called out and had to put in a dig. It was a half-assed dig but please enlighten me. You discussed things with the mods, well that's just great, we've all seen the high mod standard here on CM. So you and an Admin agreed. Okaysies, good all around. Do you really think that means long term change for how things are done here? Really? The "dig" was yours first dear. Unless you want to go into "Sorry, you have made yourself enough of a pest that mods have been told to be careful". How do you "know" this?

tazzygirl -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:39:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Oh, you said slut, not slur [;)] LOL.. my bad! Shit! Cant go back to edit that one... lol... Im sure I will be called out on that typo many times! [:D]

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: The decline of collarme (1/6/2013 2:43:28 PM)
Oh I admit to first dig. But, what does your post mean? You know the "you can imagine where that came from?" You can deflect all you want. I'd like an answer. If you can. Am I supposed to assume you have some "special" "secret" in with the owners? Reasons to not be cheerful.

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