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UnholyBear -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 2:40:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
People get married and they expect the fairytale...even men. It doesn't work that way.


of course, its a two way street but a couple needs to make time for each other or its not gonna last.. if they cant do that then the relationship is doomed.. Not all men expect the wife to take care of the kids, just cuz yours did that, doesnt mean all men are like that.. some men do want to do more with their kids but the wife pushes them aside.. but all that really should be discussed before they have kids.. but it rarely ever is, so then the wifes complain about the guy and the hubbys complain about the girl they married.. blaming each other still doesnt solve the problem.. [8|]



Sad fact is, most parents don't fully realize that becoming parents is far more challenging then what they assume it us until after they have started a family. It is way too easy for parents to get wrapped up in raising offspring, jobs, bills, food, rent, mortgage, etc that they often forget to take time out for themselves. Yes it is easy to lay blame but it's only in hindsight that blame is too easily placed.



tj444 -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 3:55:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

That's not what i said. What i said is that many men come home from their jobs.They are just as tired as his wife so of course, he comes home and wants a little attention from his wife and just wants to sit down and rest for a bit. But a wife's job never stops. She wants to sit down and rest for a little while too but she's still busy preparing dinner and making sure the kids don't kill each other. It's neither one's faults. It's simply part of both being exhausted from a long day. It's not always easy to remember that both need to make time for each other. Life has a way of doing that. Life gets so busy you stop making time for each other, not because you don't want to but there's just too much to do. Who has the time? Sometimes though both parties just need to be reminded that they both need a break to be with each other.

I admit, Master and I are guilty of it as well. We both get caught up in everyday life until one of us realizes what is happening and we usually make a "playdate", meaning we'll plan an outing or something fun to do together. Sometimes it takes a friend to say "hey dude, when was the last time you asked her if you could do something for her or just took over the dinner and kids so she could sit down? Or even just brought her a daisy home you picked outside?" I have friends who complain about their husband or wife not doing things and this is usually when I hit them upside the head with this.

I know what you are saying, but the time to talk about it, negotiate who does what and when, etc is before you have kids, and before you get married.. I am under the impression that you and he dont live together so if that is correct, you get time away from each other and time to do other things.. so in theory at least, when you are together its cuz you want to be, not cuz you have to be..

Quite frankly, I dont want the life you describe of being married with kids (or the life my mother had which was a lot harder than yours- she had 2 jobs & us kids), which is why i wont have kids if i dont have the money to hire a nanny so I can have a life and enough energy to enjoy the kids.. and enjoy any man in my life.. Even if the guy wanted to stay home and be a house hubby (which I would be open to since i am not the diaper changing housewifey type), I would still want someone there at least part-time so we can have time together & to give him time off from the kidlets.. If I dont have the money for that then kids are a no-go for me..



DesFIP -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 4:00:50 PM)

Just because you have the money to do so before the kids come along doesn't guarantee the job will be there ten years down the time. Or that you won't have a handicapped child who needs a hell of a lot more attention than even normal kids do.

Or that you won't develop a chronic disorder which saps your energy. Or that your husband won't get hit by a bus.

There are no guarantees. All you can do is roll with it the best you can, and then get up, dust yourself off and try something else.



SomethingCatchy -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 4:49:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.



Not only is this insulting to men, but it's also insulting to dogs. Anyone who has this opinion of dogs should stay the fuck away from me because I'll educate them about a thing or two.

Signed -

Resident Dog Nut



SomethingCatchy -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 4:51:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I don't think women know how they see men. Think about the early days of feminism before people understood the invisible cultural traps.

Yup, it's my impression that the vast majority of women think that men are defective women. I don't think it's their fault. I think they are caught in a society which tells them this.

It was fascinating to read a recent thread where some mothers were horrified at the lessons their sons were learning in school at very early ages... "You're not as smart as girls." "You're not as couth as girls", etc.


There are no cultural traps within real, honest feminism - the kind that says equality for every single person - man woman and child.

I certainly don't see men as defective women. I despise defective women. They annoy the fuck out of me. Men are wonderful human creatures who think and feel differently than I do.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 4:57:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.

Is this correct? Seriously, I sometimes look at women and think, 'How do you see us? If we men see you women as kind of squealy, twittery and prim, do you see we men as like large, coarse and a bit less than human?'

OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.




#1) Knowing you've stolen my abs (and considering this is New Years)....I'm going to allow it.

#2) Yes, they consider us dogs....but what they don't know is....we consider them fluffy comfortable sitting on things...soft and fluffy. The soft and round thing works.

#3) They smell good.....that doesn't give them Carte Blanche (sp?) but....it's kind of a wash. (Tits and all...that whole round thing).

#4) I really don't know what else to say other than...."return my abs!!!!"



tj444 -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 5:33:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Just because you have the money to do so before the kids come along doesn't guarantee the job will be there ten years down the time. Or that you won't have a handicapped child who needs a hell of a lot more attention than even normal kids do.

Or that you won't develop a chronic disorder which saps your energy. Or that your husband won't get hit by a bus.

There are no guarantees. All you can do is roll with it the best you can, and then get up, dust yourself off and try something else.

I never said anything about a guarantees.. but if you talk about those things first then it gives you a better chance of having the life you want.. and of course things can happen that change those but that is not what LW was talking about..



theshytype -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 7:00:39 PM)

I don't view men like that at all. It's the same generalization that some men have towards women as being high maintenance and confusing.

Men are not really difficult to figure out, but that's not saying they're simple.
Women are not really much different, just require a different sort of attention.

I've always preferred men over women, though.
I love shopping, but by myself. The group bathroom breaks are ridiculous to me. I loathe gossiping.
Men I know tend to be more laid back and want to spend their spare time having fun or relaxing, as opposed to bitching.

It's not any different than other stereotypes. Some people live by them, others don't.

I guess it's safe to say if I did live by stereotypes, I'd have more negatives towards women.
(my feminist application has officially been denied)





TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 7:09:47 PM)

from a man?..:0)



DreamyLadySnow -> RE: Men are Dogs (12/31/2012 7:44:00 PM)

I don't compare men to dogs. Dogs are wonderful companions
Men can be good companyh too, and they generally shed a lot less than dogs, but dogs are more steady - you know what you're getting



absolutchocolat -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/1/2013 9:28:34 PM)

FR

When I hear someone say "all (insert gender here) are dogs/cheaters/liars/fakes/golddiggers/et cetera", I roll my eyes. Says more about the person uttering the phrase than anything else. If all the men I deal with are dogs, the common denominator in the equation is me. Just saying!



dollenburg -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 12:45:27 AM)

Actually, men are wolves.

Same canine family though.



WomanlyWiles -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 4:31:57 AM)

I don't like dogs. I do like men. That is all.



metamorfosis -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 5:27:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.


I'm curious how you see men in general.

Pam



PeonForHer -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 5:58:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.


I'm curious how you see men in general.

Pam



Good question. (I mean it.)

I don't, really. They're all just different 'people'.

So maybe therein lies my answer, eh? [;)]



SailingBum -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 11:24:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.

Is this correct? Seriously, I sometimes look at women and think, 'How do you see us? If we men see you women as kind of squealy, twittery and prim, do you see we men as like large, coarse and a bit less than human?'

OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.




Are you really that naive??? suppose you read the world was coming to a end in dec 2012...

Anyway I dont pretend to have a clue as to what women think. What I do know is that each one of them is different so to ask a question such as yours is bizarre.

BadOne



PeonForHer -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 12:01:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum


Are you really that naive??? suppose you read the world was coming to a end in dec 2012...

Anyway I dont pretend to have a clue as to what women think. What I do know is that each one of them is different so to ask a question such as yours is bizarre.




You see, that's why we need more maturity and wisdom such as yours on CM, SB. It's only a shame that a Plato, a Buddha or a SailingBum is only born once in every millennium. I hadn't noticed any difference between women whatsoever, except possibly for my mum.

OK, OK, my fault: I should have put a [;)] in my OP.



wiremen -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 3:41:40 PM)

I find it really sad that this notion ever arose. Men are as much children of the universe as women. Sure some are rough and smell! So what! Instead of trying desperately to drive wedges in between men and women with spurious claptrap about inconsequential differences wouldn't it be marvelous if we could just celebrate our love for our fellow beings! Or is that too naive??
Women can remain forever a mystery for all I care. It's all part of the allure!



PeonForHer -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 4:56:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: wiremen
I find it really sad that this notion ever arose.


You shouldn't be sad, wiremen. Like you say, who cares?

This is a subject to played around with, in my view. On reflection, I should have put it in 'Polls and Random'.

There are lots of silly little things like this that pop into my head, occasionally. Like, 'If her voice sounds squealy to me, does my voice sound harsh and rumbly to her?' And,
'How could a woman ever like a man's feet? Men's feet are inherently frigging ugly'. And, 'How could a woman, who has such a small face, kiss a face that's so much bigger than hers?'

I find all such things a) inconsequential but b), nonetheless, weirdly fascinating at times. But the bottom line really is, as you say, that they don't matter.



theRose4U -> RE: Men are Dogs (1/2/2013 11:12:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dollenburg

Actually, men are wolves.

Same canine family though.

Prettry sure that won't fly here either...females are in charge, only alpha male gets to breed & rest of the pack serves, feeds & maintains the breeding pair & pups



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