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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Gawd! This revisionism is repugnant! The reason a 'well regulated militia' was thought necessary to a free society in the beginning was:

A: the United States was a shallow band along the Atlantic seaboard, and faced the very real risk of aggression by England or France or both, and:

B: most of the interior faced the very real danger of Indian raids, and:

C: the United States didn't trust the Army, which was kept a tiny cadre unable to meet our legitimate defense needs.

What little military we did have then, both 'Federals' and state Guard, focussed on manning coastal defenses and a few fortified strongpoints in the interior. If trouble came up, the citizenry were expected to grab their muskets and deal with it themselves. This treasonous garbage about 'defending' ourselves from Washington is recent revisionist rot.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Of course this bill isnt the only method. Think of others they are using, methods other countries have used... something everyone wants.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Of course this bill isnt the only method. Think of others they are using, methods other countries have used... something everyone wants.

Methods other countries have used, like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Communist China, North Korea?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Of course this bill isnt the only method. Think of others they are using, methods other countries have used... something everyone wants.

Methods other countries have used, like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Communist China, North Korea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#In_Australia

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

In the colonial days, South Carolina had banned the slave trade and Virginia had attempted to do the same, but the British government having given special protection to The Royal African Company, the colonies' efforts were ultimately futile.

You need to read why the two states wanted the slave trade banned. It wasnt exactly about the rights and wrongs of slavery.

In any evet South Carolina opened the slave trade again in 1803.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Besides it is not men with guns that are the major threat, as the following photo proves.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Congrats on your latest fast-google/now-I'm-an-expert endeavor. But you knew all about this before my post brought it to your attention, right?

Right.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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Tazzy, it has been proved that everyone on the planet, given the right stimuli can suffer a psychotic break from reality. This is common with people with ptsd who suffered some form of abuse, and very common in returning combat vets.

A person suffering a psychotic break can react in two ways, lash out and commit violent acts against others, or simply take their own life.

Now since it cannot be predicted as to who will suffer such a break from reality, what do you suggest be done?

In this situation, Joe Blow, responsible and law abiding gun owner, military vet is perfectly alright Monday. Tuesday something happens and bingo he is no longer responsible or able to handle firearms without harming himself or others.

The laws are already in place that prevent anyone mentally unstable to purchase firearms. The problem, as shown in Virginia with Cho, was that the mental health records that would have kept him from purchasing a firearm was not part of the back ground check information.

99% of gun owners store their weapons safely, and depending on the area in which they live, they may have one weapon within easy reach, like I do. Granted, the odds are that the person foolish enough to break into my home will be dealt with effectively by Princess. She is a cute little thing, cuddly and full of fun. She doesnt bark at people coming into the house, but if they come in and she does not recognize them, she proceeds to growl and stop them unless told otherwise by me or my sister.

Like I said, she is a small dog, 75% timber wolf and 25% Siberian husky. There is a picture of her in my photos on my profile.

So she will probably be very effective at dealing with the intruder and me and my 1911 colt will probably be more redundant than effective.

You are a mental health expert? Oh you also mean people like James Holme, Jared Loughner, they had mental problems but had no trouble buying/getting guns and ammo. As for Adam Lanza, his mother was a very responsible gun owner, left guns out, that how her son got ahold them. Mental Illness just does not happen, with each there is a long history. I also wonder how a person in a canatonic state does either kill themselves or others...as you say. Oh and as to Cho the problem was not that part of the application was left blank, Cho did not sign a release of information as required.

If you knew the federal firearms laws, you would know that anyone that has a severe mental illness is not eligible to purchase a firearm. However, the states are responsible for putting that information on the record so that it shows up on the back ground check.

A person suffering from a psychotic break is not in a catatonic state every time. As for the release of information, under the HEPA laws, that only applies to family members, other health agencies etc. It does not apply when it is in reference to a firearm purchase. Read the appropriate federal statutes. The information goes to the state, which is responsible for making that information available for a back ground check.

Hell I didnt sign a fucking release for anything and my stay in a detox center shows up every time I buy a firearm. Explain that one mr know it all.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
You are right, air bags don't. They mitigate the potential damage to the victim.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn



I got my info on the SC stance vs. slave traders in books checked out from the library more than 20 years ago, well before google ever came along.

And I did in fact somewhat recently come upon the information that the British East India Company was trying to figure out what to do with the overstock of 18 million tons of tea in their London warehouses when the laws were passed giving favorable tax treatment to that entity that effectively put all other tea merchants out of business, from yet another library book; Cornered, by Barry C. Lynn.

In this day of everyone shouting "show me a link!" at the drop of a hat, I know this quaint approach isn't very popular.

Try this "show me a link!" crap at any respectable uni and see where it gets you.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Tazzy, it has been proved that everyone on the planet, given the right stimuli can suffer a psychotic break from reality. This is common with people with ptsd who suffered some form of abuse, and very common in returning combat vets.

A person suffering a psychotic break can react in two ways, lash out and commit violent acts against others, or simply take their own life.

Now since it cannot be predicted as to who will suffer such a break from reality, what do you suggest be done?

In this situation, Joe Blow, responsible and law abiding gun owner, military vet is perfectly alright Monday. Tuesday something happens and bingo he is no longer responsible or able to handle firearms without harming himself or others.

The laws are already in place that prevent anyone mentally unstable to purchase firearms. The problem, as shown in Virginia with Cho, was that the mental health records that would have kept him from purchasing a firearm was not part of the back ground check information.

99% of gun owners store their weapons safely, and depending on the area in which they live, they may have one weapon within easy reach, like I do. Granted, the odds are that the person foolish enough to break into my home will be dealt with effectively by Princess. She is a cute little thing, cuddly and full of fun. She doesnt bark at people coming into the house, but if they come in and she does not recognize them, she proceeds to growl and stop them unless told otherwise by me or my sister.

Like I said, she is a small dog, 75% timber wolf and 25% Siberian husky. There is a picture of her in my photos on my profile.

So she will probably be very effective at dealing with the intruder and me and my 1911 colt will probably be more redundant than effective.

You are a mental health expert? Oh you also mean people like James Holme, Jared Loughner, they had mental problems but had no trouble buying/getting guns and ammo. As for Adam Lanza, his mother was a very responsible gun owner, left guns out, that how her son got ahold them. Mental Illness just does not happen, with each there is a long history. I also wonder how a person in a canatonic state does either kill themselves or others...as you say. Oh and as to Cho the problem was not that part of the application was left blank, Cho did not sign a release of information as required.

If you knew the federal firearms laws, you would know that anyone that has a severe mental illness is not eligible to purchase a firearm. However, the states are responsible for putting that information on the record so that it shows up on the back ground check.

A person suffering from a psychotic break is not in a catatonic state every time. As for the release of information, under the HEPA laws, that only applies to family members, other health agencies etc. It does not apply when it is in reference to a firearm purchase. Read the appropriate federal statutes. The information goes to the state, which is responsible for making that information available for a back ground check.

Hell I didnt sign a fucking release for anything and my stay in a detox center shows up every time I buy a firearm. Explain that one mr know it all.

You failed to answer my question, What Medical School did you attend, Where did you do your residentency, I take it you focused on psychiatry, and can you post your license? HEPA..you mean HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996). You do have a very keen understanding of the law...

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Of course this bill isnt the only method. Think of others they are using, methods other countries have used... something everyone wants.

Methods other countries have used, like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Communist China, North Korea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#In_Australia

yep, sounds good, make guns illegal and then pay for the owners to sell em back to the government to keep from going to jail.

Guess what part of the constitution has to go bye bye?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Of course this bill isnt the only method. Think of others they are using, methods other countries have used... something everyone wants.

Methods other countries have used, like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Communist China, North Korea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#In_Australia

yep, sounds good, make guns illegal and then pay for the owners to sell em back to the government to keep from going to jail.

Guess what part of the constitution has to go bye bye?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Of course this bill isnt the only method. Think of others they are using, methods other countries have used... something everyone wants.

Methods other countries have used, like the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Communist China, North Korea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#In_Australia

yep, sounds good, make guns illegal and then pay for the owners to sell em back to the government to keep from going to jail.

Guess what part of the constitution has to go bye bye?

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