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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 1:43:15 PM   
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On those sort of incomes the only REAL option IS the processed crap, so the art of real cooking gets forgotten, not because no-one wants to do it, but because it is far more cost effective NOT to do it.

This.
There's a lot of scrounging dolescum who'd be very happy to have the money to cook fresh food from scratch, but can't afford anything other than preprocessed crap, often packaged outside of the country and stuffed full of shit you can't put in food manufactured in the EU.
Maybe if the government are serious about addressing the terrible threat child obesity poses to the future, they'll take the farmers' cocks out of their mouths and do something about the distributors taste for inflating the cost of produce with price fixing and so hiking the supermarket price up even before their own mark up is added. Don't hold breath on that one, though.


I'd like to disagree with both of you on this one.

I'm semi-retired through injury and my OH is registered disabled.
So to find a suitable job is pretty much impossible for either of us.
So we are 'scrounging dolescum' as you put it and we live on benefits.

That said, apart from maybe suasages, some cereals and bread, we don't buy any pre-processed stuff at all and we cook everything from scratch.
We couldn't afford to buy enough ready-made crap to feed our family.
Making stuff from scratch is not only healthier but certainly more affordable and with much bigger portions.
When we buy stuff like baked beans, we buy store-brand, not top-notch branded ones at 4x the price and more.
Sometimes, with the money we save by not buying crud, we can sometimes afford to buy steak for breakfast

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 2:33:28 PM   
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I've only read the first couple of pages of this thread, so apologize if this has been addressed but...

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And frankly, people are entitled to spend their money on whatever the hell they want to, however it was attained: can you imagine the shitfit you'd be throwing if some mouthy liberal had suggested that people shouldn't be allowed to buy booze if they own a gun? Given your own aversion to nanny stating, the hypocrisy in your OP is breathtaking.


It's not their money, it's the taxpayers. The rest is pure noise.




When Wall St bankers gave themselves bonuses from the taxpayer money during the bail outs, they were spending taxpayer money without the consent or even the consideration of how they got their money. Take it one step further to corporate welfare.

All these proposals to take rights away from the poor in exchange for helping out the poor, when billion dollar corporations gets their handouts, and continue to do as they please, leaves me with little sympathy for your cause.




Those are two different topics no matter the relationship one can glean about them; government handouts. Both are deserving of being discussed but such does not require they be discussed together.

If you want to discuss corporate welfare, make a thread. If you want to talk about unemployment and its effects on welfare, make a thread. If you want to discuss welfare, as applied to people, from the point of how it's applied lets have at it.

But the simple fact is that, for example, outsourcing's effects on employment which may increase the welfare rolls is of no value in discussing whether recipients should be provided steak, or put another way, just how the taxpayer dollars should be allowed to be used by recipients.




Ahh...so you don't want to talk about how taxpayer money is used and how to put regulations on people that take it....unless it is people in poverty only.

Gotcha

I'm out of this conversation...see ya



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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 3:24:23 PM   
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The chick in question, is 21 years old?
She hasnt got the legal mental, spiritual or intellectual level of a ten year old bully.
idiotic little hater. She will meet with reality one day.


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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 3:28:03 PM   
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I am sure she is welfare trailer trash, and republican.  Thats texas.

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 3:49:37 PM   
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Theres a reason, politicians, when they do the "food stamp diet" only do it for a week. We dont have food stamps here, you can get special diet allowance if you have a gastro/diabetic/ related diet, works out to 50 bucks a month. But the meal allowance part of your welfare, is practically impossible to "subsist on.
Anyone trying to live on beans rice/powdered milk, cheese diet is more likely to go ballistic after three months. It was bad enough when they tried for a week.
the rest of her attempts to dictate how poor people live their lives, is typical ugly twunt with no clue to the realities ... so they ignore the real issues and attempt micromanage those they feel superior to.


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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 4:09:49 PM   
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Ok, I have to apologize. I didn't read the link. I must learn not to take copied text as correct context. Had I known his views were the same as someone who as you say, Lucy, hasn't awaken to reality yet, then I would have just stayed out of it to begin with.

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 4:19:27 PM   
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heh Louve, I was gonna stay out of it completely because the original post is just blatant baiting, but my post was NOT directed at you in anyway and I apologise for any confusion:) I should have used FR.
Personally using logic and law, and common sense to people like whatever her name is, is a waste of time. There is no compassion, understanding or willingness to know facts from people like her.

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:21:27 PM   
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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:29:22 PM   
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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:35:50 PM   
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The chick in question, is 21 years old?
She hasnt got the legal mental, spiritual or intellectual level of a ten year old bully.
idiotic little hater. She will meet with reality one day.



No, not really.  What that list is, is a throwback to at least the 1800's social policy in the US.  You have two categories.  The deserving poor and the undeserving poor.  Deserving poor were very old, sick or severely disabled.  Undeserving poor were those capable of working. 

The Elizabethans divided them into three categories.  http://www.victorianweb.org/history/poorlaw/elizpl.html
The deserving poor–those who should receive in-kind or cash assistance because they were unable to work due to age or illnesss.
The deserving unemployed–those who should be put in workhouses or, if very young, given apprenticeships because they were able and willing to work but couldn’t find jobs.
The undeserving poor–those who should be beaten or subject to worse punishments because they had recourse to begging.

So, really, that whole OP is just one more try at making a judgement on who deserves what.

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:38:56 PM   
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Theres a reason, politicians, when they do the "food stamp diet" only do it for a week. We dont have food stamps here, you can get special diet allowance if you have a gastro/diabetic/ related diet, works out to 50 bucks a month. But the meal allowance part of your welfare, is practically impossible to "subsist on.
Anyone trying to live on beans rice/powdered milk, cheese diet is more likely to go ballistic after three months. It was bad enough when they tried for a week.
the rest of her attempts to dictate how poor people live their lives, is typical ugly twunt with no clue to the realities ... so they ignore the real issues and attempt micromanage those they feel superior to.



While I agree that the author has a lot to learn about life, I am equally amused at the ones who think those on food stamps only live on rice and beans with some government cheese thrown in. The ones I see have no problem affording $4-5 premade sandwiches for lunch every day, so I have a lot of trouble working up much sympathy for them.

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:39:38 PM   
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Theres a reason, politicians, when they do the "food stamp diet" only do it for a week. We dont have food stamps here, you can get special diet allowance if you have a gastro/diabetic/ related diet, works out to 50 bucks a month. But the meal allowance part of your welfare, is practically impossible to "subsist on.
Anyone trying to live on beans rice/powdered milk, cheese diet is more likely to go ballistic after three months. It was bad enough when they tried for a week.
the rest of her attempts to dictate how poor people live their lives, is typical ugly twunt with no clue to the realities ... so they ignore the real issues and attempt micromanage those they feel superior to.



Lucy, I was not trying to dictate what people could eat.  I was trying to point out the benefits of not having to rely on pre-made foods. 

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:41:59 PM   
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Theres a reason, politicians, when they do the "food stamp diet" only do it for a week. We dont have food stamps here, you can get special diet allowance if you have a gastro/diabetic/ related diet, works out to 50 bucks a month. But the meal allowance part of your welfare, is practically impossible to "subsist on.
Anyone trying to live on beans rice/powdered milk, cheese diet is more likely to go ballistic after three months. It was bad enough when they tried for a week.
the rest of her attempts to dictate how poor people live their lives, is typical ugly twunt with no clue to the realities ... so they ignore the real issues and attempt micromanage those they feel superior to.



While I agree that the author has a lot to learn about life, I am equally amused at the ones who think those on food stamps only live on rice and beans with some government cheese thrown in. The ones I see have no problem affording $4-5 premade sandwiches for lunch every day, so I have a lot of trouble working up much sympathy for them.


I think that it is because that is what the author wanted them to eat.  Although if they are going to house them on military style bases, I would think communal meals would be a better idea.  Throw in a couple truck gardens and slaughter animals and there are a few more jobs that can be done. 

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:45:13 PM   
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Theres a reason, politicians, when they do the "food stamp diet" only do it for a week. We dont have food stamps here, you can get special diet allowance if you have a gastro/diabetic/ related diet, works out to 50 bucks a month. But the meal allowance part of your welfare, is practically impossible to "subsist on.
Anyone trying to live on beans rice/powdered milk, cheese diet is more likely to go ballistic after three months. It was bad enough when they tried for a week.
the rest of her attempts to dictate how poor people live their lives, is typical ugly twunt with no clue to the realities ... so they ignore the real issues and attempt micromanage those they feel superior to.



While I agree that the author has a lot to learn about life, I am equally amused at the ones who think those on food stamps only live on rice and beans with some government cheese thrown in. The ones I see have no problem affording $4-5 premade sandwiches for lunch every day, so I have a lot of trouble working up much sympathy for them.

If they are living on premades every day, thats THEIR issue... because, they sure as hell aint eating three square meals or getting a proper healthy diet. to think that even a huge minority of them do that is beyond ridiculous, and no, Im not suggesting you are thinking that.
just like the steak issue. its bullshit.


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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:47:39 PM   
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The ones I see have no problem affording $4-5 premade sandwiches for lunch every day, so I have a lot of trouble working up much sympathy for them.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone use food stamps. How does one spot them? How big is the population of folks you see buying premade sandwiches?

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 5:52:28 PM   
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Theres a reason, politicians, when they do the "food stamp diet" only do it for a week. We dont have food stamps here, you can get special diet allowance if you have a gastro/diabetic/ related diet, works out to 50 bucks a month. But the meal allowance part of your welfare, is practically impossible to "subsist on.
Anyone trying to live on beans rice/powdered milk, cheese diet is more likely to go ballistic after three months. It was bad enough when they tried for a week.
the rest of her attempts to dictate how poor people live their lives, is typical ugly twunt with no clue to the realities ... so they ignore the real issues and attempt micromanage those they feel superior to.



Lucy, I was not trying to dictate what people could eat.  I was trying to point out the benefits of not having to rely on pre-made foods. 

No I understand that Aylee, I disagree with you on a few instances, but not with your statement...:)
I can think of many problems with the food and prepared stuff, I usually( 99%)make mine from scratch so I understand that.
But once in a while, I like the supermarkets own brand shepards pie... it sure isnt a weekly thing.
Its more of the perception like the OPs rant(whats her face) that every welfare recipient is eating steak with every meal or processed food three times a day, and demanding the right to tell them what they can and cant eat.


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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 6:04:23 PM   
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AND While you are on Gov’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov’t welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.


I'm intrigued by the author's identifying a very broad doctrine--government support equals such a conflict of interest with the demands of citizenship that it warrants denying the franchise--and then applies it oddly narrowly, only to those on welfare.

It would seem to me that any number of folks also rely on government outlays for their survival:

-- civil servants
-- members of the military
-- defense contractors
-- researchers funded by grants
-- Social Security / Medicare recipients
-- students on Pell Grants
-- People who can afford a house because they deduct the interest on the mortgage

Then there are those, such as lobbyists and some business executives, whose financial well-being is incredibly entangled with government policies. Living here in DC, I've met government-relations folks from huge corporations who've point-blank told me that their voting patterns are directly tied to the economic interests of their employers.

Should we disenfranchise all these people too?

Of course, I realize this is a moot point, since (as I noted earlier in the thread) the piece is a really a right-wing wet dream about bashing "the undeserving poor" rather than any serious attempt at reflecting on poverty or policies.

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 6:05:37 PM   
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The ones I see have no problem affording $4-5 premade sandwiches for lunch every day, so I have a lot of trouble working up much sympathy for them.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone use food stamps. How does one spot them? How big is the population of folks you see buying premade sandwiches?


They are on credit card looking things now.  So, I suppose you spot them that way. 

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 6:07:41 PM   
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It's so common sense is it any wonder so many don't see it.


The interesting thing about all narcissists is that they all think the world would be a better place if 'they' ruled it their way!

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RE: Is it any wonder... - 1/8/2013 6:09:54 PM   
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I read a few pages and I am still trying to figure out how unemployment and jobs is not tied directly to welfare, as Yachtie keeps insisting. People wind up on assistance programs because they either do not have a job, or one that pays enough to take care of them and their family.

Yachtie also keeps calling it a voluntary contract, but people would be in fear of starving so that is duress and nullifies a contract. Not to mention the idea of it being a contract that severs rights is ridiculous and unconstitutional.

What may sounds good to some, is not a fix, but just a promotional tidbit to feed to people and keep them following.

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