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Pam, the keeper of secrets and passive aggressive posts. Gonna claim you are bananas again?

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ORIGINAL: Casteele

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Can't recall if I've ever reported anyone on this site yet.. (especially since I have been away from forums for 6+ months :P) but have on other fora. I will say that I won't hesitate to report someone or something if it's warranted--Clearly illegal activities, such as posting child porn, or clear violations of the site's ToS, et cetera. Merely distasteful or bad manners, however.. Well, I'm male, I'm already trained in the art of selective hearing/reading! And I either ignore it, or if I can't ignore it, shoot back with my own sarcasm.. This includes things like trolling (as in trawling--posting clearly inflamatory posts to get a reaction out of people), name calling, and even personal attacks and name calling--But NOT including libel/slander campaigns against others..

In fact, in irony, that's what brought me here tonight.. I wanted to ask the mods what IS CM's policy on such tactics, such as creating and posting "blacklists" or "walls of shame" which directly name other users, and such? I might indeed have to report someone within the next few hours.. :P

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Um, I might be taking what he said wrong, and if so then he can correct me..but I believe the statement said " to NOT speak up....to me is weak." So do we need to cut the number of syllables for you?

Um, you are. You're taking what he said wrong. The sentence "Not to speak up, or if need be act, when you believe rules, guidelines, or laws to be wrong, is to me weak." refers to the fact that TAFKAA is speaking out and acting out against what he believes to be unfair rules of moderation. Level is saying that submissively complying to unfair rules is weak, which is the opposite of what TAFKAA is doing. I haven't decided myself if those rules really are unfair, but you certainly misunderstood.

Again, talking down to someone of demonstrably higher intelligence than you while you misunderstand what they say... simply makes you look stupid. Next time you should consider not offering such clear proof of your own ignorance.

Pam

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK
Um, I might be taking what he said wrong, and if so then he can correct me..but I believe the statement said " to NOT speak up....to me is weak." So do we need to cut the number of syllables for you?

Um, you are. You're taking what he said wrong. The sentence "Not to speak up, or if need be act, when you believe rules, guidelines, or laws to be wrong, is to me weak." refers to the fact that TAFKAA is speaking out and acting out against what he believes to be unfair rules of moderation. Level is saying that submissively complying to unfair rules is weak, which is the opposite of what TAFKAA is doing. I haven't decided myself if those rules really are unfair, but you certainly misunderstood.

Again, talking down to someone of demonstrably higher intelligence than you while you misunderstand what they say... simply makes you look stupid. Next time you should consider not offering such clear proof of your own ignorance.

Pam

Or next time you should know what you're talking about before opening your mouth. Tafkaa believe myself and a few others to be weak because he was reported by a group of people on a completely different thread. So this stems from there. I assume he just can't let it go. As far as Level's quote, I still agree with Crazyml on this one...nothing wrong with acting out against someone who doesn't shut the fuck up.

Demonstrably higher intelligence? Why because you think so? That's cute. There's nothing wrong with being wrong. And if I am, I'll admit that (when and if Level says what he was referring to). But when one is wrong and refuses to see why or accept that...is of utter ignorance, and that is what Tafkaa has done repeatedly.
Jumping on the band wagon of a fool simply makes you look stupid.

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK
Jumping on the band wagon of a fool simply makes you look stupid.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins
Level is saying that just because there are rules it doesn't mean you can't speak out against them if you think they are wrong. in fact to not do so would be weak.

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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

I interpreted Level to say it's ok to break the rules if you feel they are wrong, and Not standing up against certain rules is weak. He also said he likes some of the people who report others, and it is not a big deal to him that they do.

As for admitting when wrong, twice now I have refuted accusations aimed at me - once on another thread where I wad accused of being hysterical, I addressed each incorrect example, and was not replied to. And now in this thread, where I was referred to as a cunt, and my refute to that was not replied to, yet a lot more posts by the same person continued to point out the wrongness of others. I find that curious. Unless of course, if I missed his reply since I had to scroll very quickly through the spider pages.....shudder.

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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA
Of course it's running to mommy. It's appealing to a higher power to come in and save you from the conversation with the nasty man because you can't deal with it yourself.

Unless you're reporting something which is ACTUALLY against the TOS - rather than the forum guidelines - then the probability is that you're simply asking for someone to intervene because you haven't got the stones to handle the situation yourself. It's either behaving like a child or a weakling, but it's difficult to see it as anything other than that.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

It does nothing of the sort.

The fact that you compound your lack of comprehension by attempting to patronise makes it all the more laughable.

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Level's excellent point speaks to a general principle about being willing to stand up and be counted.

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trolls running amok

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I think there would be a difference between calling the cops over something illegal/violent and reporting a post for violating the Terms of Service. Violating TOS is not a crime; you can't get arrested for that.

I suspect Awareness might believe calling the cops was beneath him if it really were a question of violence or threat, and so his stance against reporting posts here for being mean (by comparison, a far lesser "crime") is consistent with his ideas of right and wrong. You may disagree with that stance, but the position does make sense.

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I would think a forum like this is more analogous to walking into a store, restaurant, club, or any other privately-owned establishment. The owners or management can make their own rules and enforce them, as some places might have signs which read "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

And I think these "accept the status quo or leave" arguments are analogous to telling Rosa Parks to leave or sit at the back of the free public library and have to await days for approval to check out books.

Pam

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I think there would be a difference between calling the cops over something illegal/violent and reporting a post for violating the Terms of Service. Violating TOS is not a crime; you can't get arrested for that.

I would think a forum like this is more analogous to walking into a store, restaurant, club, or any other privately-owned establishment. The owners or management can make their own rules and enforce them, as some places might have signs which read "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone."

Would I, as a patron, have a responsibility to report another patron's violation of the rules to the management? I guess it would largely depend upon the circumstances. If they're doing something harmful to others, then I could see it, but if they're just violating the dress code or something silly like that, I can't see why I would report something like that.

Since school examples are being brought up in this thread, I think some things are different than others. If someone is actually bullied, then they may try to handle it themselves or report it to higher ups. Whether it's seen as "weak" is circumstantial. But that would still be different from a situation where someone might report a couple of people for smoking a joint in some isolated corner somewhere and not otherwise bothering anyone. If someone reported that, then they'd be a snitch, a narc. Nobody likes a snitch or a tattle-tale. I don't know that it's "weak," but it might be perceived as "low" by some people.

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It does nothing of the sort.

The fact that you compound your lack of comprehension by attempting to patronise makes it all the more laughable.

I'm not sure whether to blame the school system in your country or just your apparent inability to comprehend what is plain English.

Look, if you're one of their pay piggies, keep it to yourself. Trying to intervene between the findomme profit-brigade and myself when they're not playing with a full deck is pointless. Especially - when it seems - neither are you.

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Level's excellent point speaks to a general principle about being willing to stand up and be counted.

No, Level's excellent fucking point is that people should speak out against authority when the laws, rules or guidelines are unjust. For fuck's sake, it's in plain fucking English. I can't have a conversation with you if you just can't read and comprehend a single-line sentence. You and the findommes are being patronised because you're claiming support from a statement which supports the activity of your opponent.

Here's an idea, try reading the complete sentence - break it down into chunks if you're having trouble.