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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 4:19:56 PM

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I have to admit, I see a greater dedication on the receiving end than the giving end. Being willing to endure the pain and carry a physical scar for life just seems like the greater commitment.

But mustn't someone do the branding?

I find the criticism of her to be odd. What if we look at a different cause? I'm a local leader of a nation-wide youth organization. I dedicate x many hours a week. There are higher levels of volunteerism that require more of my personal resources that I am either unable or unwilling to give. And yet, I still feel pretty strongly that the organization is a good one and I am always happy to help convince people that perhaps they may want to give it a try. Should I not speak out on behalf of this organization because I haven't fulfilled a higher level of commitment? Am I only allowed to talk about the benefits of this organization if I have met some level of sacrifice to my own well-being first? (Oh, and believe me, there are sacrifices to my well-being. :)

I get the impression that this story is not THE story, but a focus on only one participant taking part in this type of protest. The idea didn't originate with her, and she's not the only one doing it. There seems to be a group that's organizing this. I would imagine they have volunteers for both sides of the act, and she's simply been matched up with a volunteer for her location. The story could just as easily have focused on the one who is being branded.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 4:23:35 PM

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 4:25:43 PM

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Being branded like that takes me to another thread here on collarme. Fantasies that you might not want to come true...

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 4:34:18 PM

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Because it is her idea. Or at least find another willng participant. If her cause isn't important enough for her (or a willing participant) to go through that pain then it shouldn't happen. The poor animal she plans to brand did not consent to being tortured like this for a spectacle.

She's branding a human who has volunteered, not an animal.
And it's a protest that has been done before, apparently, and with similar protests taking place in cities throughout the world.

DOH!!!!!! I misread the article. My sincere apologies. (embarrassed).

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 4:43:46 PM

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I'm thinking that she must be involved in the bdsm lifestyle in some way to do this. I also think that those being branded must also enjoy this lifestyle to allow someone to brand them.

Julia Butterfly Hill didn't sit in a tree for two years because she enjoyed tree sitting, but because she was trying to prevent destruction of redwood forests.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/21/2013 6:52:58 PM

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Anyone that would sit in a tree for 2 years in rainy, cold, SanFrancisco is a masochist.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/22/2013 12:34:07 AM

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But mustn't someone do the branding?

I find the criticism of her to be odd. What if we look at a different cause? I'm a local leader of a nation-wide youth organization. I dedicate x many hours a week. There are higher levels of volunteerism that require more of my personal resources that I am either unable or unwilling to give. And yet, I still feel pretty strongly that the organization is a good one and I am always happy to help convince people that perhaps they may want to give it a try. Should I not speak out on behalf of this organization because I haven't fulfilled a higher level of commitment? Am I only allowed to talk about the benefits of this organization if I have met some level of sacrifice to my own well-being first? (Oh, and believe me, there are sacrifices to my well-being. :)

I get the impression that this story is not THE story, but a focus on only one participant taking part in this type of protest. The idea didn't originate with her, and she's not the only one doing it. There seems to be a group that's organizing this. I would imagine they have volunteers for both sides of the act, and she's simply been matched up with a volunteer for her location. The story could just as easily have focused on the one who is being branded.

As a person who actually enjoys branding other people, I just don't see the person applying the mark being that big of a deal. It's a one strike brand that is going to take very little effort on the part of the gal featured in the story. Heck, if I was in any of the cities that was duplicating this event, I'd do it for My own jollies.

It's not that I'm criticizing her. It's that I just don't find her participation to be all that fantastic. No more of a sacrifice than a tattoo artist does on any given day.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/22/2013 8:26:26 AM

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I agree with you totally. This isn't volunteering as Kaliko seems to be suggesting, or simply working/speaking out for a cause. She is trying to make a statement, but she is unwilling to have that statement "mark" her forever. It just seems a little less of a commitment to be honest.

Also, like you said (and I mentioned prior to that), branding a human and branding cattle are very different. I'm sure there are multiple reasons for that, but the main one is that the skin of the two is very different. Cattle (even calfs) have different skin that reacts differently.

In any case, according to the article, she is doing the branding because she is upset about "ear tags." Ear tags are no different than piercing ones ears. Humans subject themselves to that all the time.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/22/2013 8:46:27 AM

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I had to read the article again. The 269 doesn't so much refer to the ear tag but the cattle that wore it. It was a calf, a baby cow, being sold to slaughter. It doesn't make any mention of how the calf was treated or looked in the article, only that it was being sold for slaughter to make veal or leather. So to me the whole branding thing makes no sense. There was no branding involved with the calf in question, but an ear tag. A piercing. It isn't the first protest of this type either, according to the article, but it makes no mention if this woman was approached by an organization to organize this or if it was her idea and she found people that were willing to be branded. Either way, she isn't making a stand or a statement, in my opinion. The people who are going to wear that number for the rest of their lives are.

A tattoo can be worn as a statement, but the tattoo artist isn't making the statement, the wearer of the tattoo is, even if the artist chooses to do the tattoo for free. I don't really understand where the branding is coming from other than that's how animals used to be marked (and probably still are but that calf wasn't). Wouldn't wearing an ear tag make the same statement and in the end make more sense. It's less extreme yes, but I would be more interested into why people are getting ear tags put into their ears than being branded with a number. It's almost like whoever originally thought up this idea used the calf sell as an excuse to brand themselves or somebody else in public display and it's just traveled from there. If that's true then it's sad, because this was never about the calf. Hope I'm wrong about that.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/22/2013 12:24:30 PM

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Regardless of the protest being put on, I still don't like how veal calves are raised. It's depressing.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/22/2013 1:29:27 PM

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I'm with LP on this. Honestly, I believe activism in this country is suffering because people go for shock value rather than substance.

In my eleven years as an organizer, I've never gotten naked, blocked traffic, sat in a tree in torrid rain, or branded anyone for my causes. I just don't think any of those tactics are effective. Not to mention, that shit looks stupid and/or extreme to possible supporters, donors and other onlookers who may be curious enough to approach folks in the campaign to ask questions. It's counterproductive, and attention whoredom doesn't win victories. Hard work, talking to people without talking down to them, picketing, sitting in meetings, negotiating, etc. does the trick every time.

Okay, off my soapbox for now.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/22/2013 5:28:29 PM

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As a person who actually enjoys branding other people, I just don't see the person applying the mark being that big of a deal. It's a one strike brand that is going to take very little effort on the part of the gal featured in the story. Heck, if I was in any of the cities that was duplicating this event, I'd do it for My own jollies.

It's not that I'm criticizing her. It's that I just don't find her participation to be all that fantastic. No more of a sacrifice than a tattoo artist does on any given day.

On those points, I agree. She does seem to be trying to set herself up as a martyr. I would think that being branded is the much more difficult role to be in than being the brander.

However, I still believe that doesn't necessarily diminish her conviction to, or the worthiness of, the cause.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/22/2013 7:02:56 PM

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That was my point as well. I read nothing about branding, so the reasoning makes no sense. I realize many people have issues with how we get tender, tasty veal (yea, I'm obviously a meat eater). But ear tags and branding are entirely different.

The only thing she is doing is acting like those she claims to be protesting against. Specifically, the cattle ranchers who still brand their stock. In the UK, from what I hear about the large kink community there, I doubt it would have been difficult to find a very experienced person to do the actual branding.

What this article says to me is that this woman's conviction to the cause only stands when she doesn't have to endure any pain for it.

And I agree that if the people for this cause ran around with ear tags, it would make a much larger statement.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/23/2013 2:02:30 AM

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On those points, I agree. She does seem to be trying to set herself up as a martyr. I would think that being branded is the much more difficult role to be in than being the brander.

However, I still believe that doesn't necessarily diminish her conviction to, or the worthiness of, the cause.

I don't doubt her conviction to her personal choice as a vegan. I'm sure she participated in the article to share information about that. She's got far more dedication to her eating habits than I do.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/24/2013 7:29:10 PM

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I was being sarcastic, Kailko!

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I don't think it's relevant to BDSM. However, if she believes it to be a necessary statement, why isn't SHE volunteering for the role of brandee????

Um..because it hurts?

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/24/2013 7:32:42 PM

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Thank you, LafayetteLady! : )

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I also agree that if this woman is serious about her "protest," she should volunteer to be branded herself rather than doing the branding. It definately takes away from her stance in my opinion.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/24/2013 7:35:07 PM

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Thank you, CougarRic! : )

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I agree with EsotericLady that this lady should let herself be branded if this cause is so important to her.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/24/2013 7:42:16 PM

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Hill's story is really amazing...talk about stamina and taking a stand!!!

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I'm thinking that she must be involved in the bdsm lifestyle in some way to do this. I also think that those being branded must also enjoy this lifestyle to allow someone to brand them.

Julia Butterfly Hill didn't sit in a tree for two years because she enjoyed tree sitting, but because she was trying to prevent destruction of redwood forests.

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/24/2013 8:59:59 PM

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I am a vegan. The 269 movement is beautiful and powerful. It means much more than you are all giving it credit for. I won't be branded most likely but I am definitely getting the 269 inked on me.

http://www.269life.com/index.php?p=media#&panel1-2

https://www.facebook.com/269calf?ref=ts&fref=ts

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RE: strange animal rights protest - 1/24/2013 10:27:28 PM

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I have no problem with people who choose to be vegan. It is your choice what you want to consume in your body.

Regardless of that, and I can understand that you find this video, "moving and powerful." I might find it as such if it were some sort of scene in a dungeon. Sorry, this is shock value pure and simple. Hot iron? Check. "Victims" dressed in only their skivvies? Check. Brander and assistants wearing hoods to add drama (or in their case help prevent identification)? Check. Chaining the newly branded? Check.

Please tell me exactly how that little video really is all that different from a branding scene? And the "reason" they are doing it doesn't make any difference. Having watched the video, I see this as nothing more than a group figuring out that such a nifty little show would get them a great deal of attention. The photos are all close ups of some girl who looks like she is about to lose her best friend to slaughter. Maybe she is, who knows? But that is how farming works.

Again, I support your desire to be vegan. I would never try to get you to buy a pair of leather shoes or coat or do anything else vegans don't do. I eat meat. I like meat. I enjoy meat. That is my choice. And my choice doesn't mean I support animal cruelty anymore than you.

The OP link and this story? Little to do with veganism.

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