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Guns

There is too much regulation already.

10% (28)

There should be far more stringent background checks.

15% (39)

Reinstate the ban on assault guns.

11% (29)

Make conceal and carry the law in all 50 states.

10% (28)

Make gun classes mandatory.

16% (42)

The only guns availible to the public should be hunting rifles.

4% (12)

The 2nd amendment includes individuals owning firearms.

21% (54)

The 2nd amendment does not include individuals, it's been distorted.

3% (8)

I wish my country had gun laws similar to the US

0% (1)

I don't want my country to have gun laws like the US

6% (16)

Total Votes : 257

(last vote on : 2/2/2013 9:53:19 PM)
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BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 9:43:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Level FR The one thing that has surprised me about the poll is the number of people that believe in making classes mandatory. I think gun safety courses should be taught in high school like drivers ed Where I live they quit teaching driver's ed in high school years ago. Well then in your area they should add both drivers ed and firearms ed courses

BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 9:46:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RacerJim quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Level FR The one thing that has surprised me about the poll is the number of people that believe in making classes mandatory. I think gun safety courses should be taught in high school like drivers ed Where I live they quit teaching driver's ed in high school years ago. I used to live in Laurel MD and I have no problem believing the don't have drivers ed

Focus50 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 6:10:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Great. Good for you. I can give you real-world examples of how shit changes in America. In Ohio, the drunk driving limit was set to 0.1% blood acohol level. Over that, if you get caught, you're nailed. It has since been redefined as 0.08% blood alcohol level. In Ohio, not wearing a seat belt in the front seat(s) of a vehicle was a second-degree offense, meaning you could not be pulled over for not wearing it, but if you were pulled over for something else and weren't wearing your seat belt, you were ticketed for that, also. It didn't take long, but now, it's a primary offense, so a cop can actually pull you over for not wearing a seat belt, regardless of your driving. Thus what is determined to be "reasonable" in America when the bill passes, may be exactly the same as it is in Australia. For now, anyway. But, is there a guarantee that some anti-gun group won't get enough power to require a bank-vault equivalent in the future? If you are sure that would never happen, then, yes, you are sure. If you can reasonably see that happening, then you aren't sure. To quote from a Clint Eastwood movie (The Rookie?), "If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster".... Overall, this is pretty much a recurring theme of the typical American pro-gun attitude. That is, that while it's all sad & tragic & blah blah & etc etc when innocents are slaughtered, doing anything against guns or the 2nd amendment to arrest the carnage is bad; is crazy; the thin-end-of-the-wedge; won't work; is punishing the innocent gun-owner; will lead to a US dictatorship; the government will be kicking doors in; concentration camps; the British will be back - or whatever conspiracy is flavour of the movement there.... That said, it's naive to think there'll never be change. We are an evolving species, always have been. And frankly, if some anti-gun group did gain power and influence, that'd likely be democracy at work. That Americans in general have finally had enough of loved-ones being mindlessly gunned down only to be remembered by greater society as collateral damage for the "greater good" of rampant gun ownership. Frankly, I'd like to see one pro-gun American here suggest a sensible and long overdue reform that isn't about classes, background checks or putting guards (and even more guns) in schools etc. Something that actually takes some of the guns off the street. Any takers? The truth is, that to you or any pro-gun American, there's no such thing as "reasonable" (re any proposed gun controls). That you regard the otherwise innocent, law-abiding gun owner as the real victim and conveniently ignore the thousands of innocent gun victims as a consequence. You all have one lousy and highly selfish sense of priorities...! You are the exception to the rule of human evolution. Btw, in Australia, all cars come with seat belts and it's an offense for anyone not wearing one - FULL STOP. And yes, the driver is responsible for ALL passengers wearing them, too. IE, someone in the back isn't wearing their belt, that person and the driver are both likely to be fined. I guess I'll never get Americans and their apparent death wish. Wtf is so hard about buckling up - I mean, it's right there and takes all of 2 seconds to put it on...! Focus.

jlf1961 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 6:19:24 PM)
Alright people, answer me this. If we ban guns as stated in the bill, just how in hell is that going to stop, prevent or otherwise deter a mass killing or all the killings committed by criminals with illegal guns? Is it logical to go after law abiding gun owners and not the criminal gun element? Come on, I need a laugh. [image]https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/184637_221817997954979_712989165_n.jpg[/image]

Focus50 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 6:31:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Nobody here hunts with full auto either. Very few people can pass the background check to get one and no state allows it. Ok, skipping past the obvious credibility issues about whether you know for a fact what every American takes hunting with them.... Not an American or ever been there but I've seen enough Summers go by to have learnt a thing or two about human nature. So I'll draw you a (hypothetical) picture of opportunity meeting temptation. Two or three friends (Americans in the US) decide to go away on a weekend hunting trip. They have a general sense of what prey they seek and equip themselves accordingly. Turns out one of them also owns an AK (or similar) that he hardly ever gets to use.... Question is, how much do you know about human nature...? As far as I'm concerned, it's a rhetorical question as I've already read way too many of your posts.... Focus.

jlf1961 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 6:41:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Nobody here hunts with full auto either. Very few people can pass the background check to get one and no state allows it. Ok, skipping past the obvious credibility issues about whether you know for a fact what every American takes hunting with them.... Not an American or ever been there but I've seen enough Summers go by to have learnt a thing or two about human nature. So I'll draw you a (hypothetical) picture of opportunity meeting temptation. Two or three friends (Americans in the US) decide to go away on a weekend hunting trip. They have a general sense of what prey they seek and equip themselves accordingly. Turns out one of them also owns an AK (or similar) that he hardly ever gets to use.... Question is, how much do you know about human nature...? As far as I'm concerned, it's a rhetorical question as I've already read way too many of your posts.... Focus. It is illegal to hunt with a full auto weapon in any state, punishable by fine and imprisonment.

BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 6:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Nobody here hunts with full auto either. Very few people can pass the background check to get one and no state allows it. Ok, skipping past the obvious credibility issues about whether you know for a fact what every American takes hunting with them.... Not an American or ever been there but I've seen enough Summers go by to have learnt a thing or two about human nature. So I'll draw you a (hypothetical) picture of opportunity meeting temptation. Two or three friends (Americans in the US) decide to go away on a weekend hunting trip. They have a general sense of what prey they seek and equip themselves accordingly. Turns out one of them also owns an AK (or similar) that he hardly ever gets to use.... Question is, how much do you know about human nature...? As far as I'm concerned, it's a rhetorical question as I've already read way too many of your posts.... Focus. It is illegal to hunt with a full auto weapon in any state, punishable by fine and imprisonment. I told him that but he knows what we do better than we do.

jlf1961 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 6:59:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 It is illegal to hunt with a full auto weapon in any state, punishable by fine and imprisonment. I told him that but he knows what we do better than we do. Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states.

BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:03:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 It is illegal to hunt with a full auto weapon in any state, punishable by fine and imprisonment. I told him that but he knows what we do better than we do. Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states. Told him that too. But he is too smart to be fooled by reality, read his last post he considers Americans to be genetically inferior, Isn't that what the Aussy Government said about aborigines till at least the 60s?

jlf1961 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:07:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 It is illegal to hunt with a full auto weapon in any state, punishable by fine and imprisonment. I told him that but he knows what we do better than we do. Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states. Told him that too. But he is too smart to be fooled by reality, read his last post he considers Americans to be genetically inferior, Isn't that what the Aussy Government said about aborigines till at least the 60s? True, but calling americans an inferior people is not against the TOS, and neither is denying the Holocaust.

Focus50 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:16:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Alright people, answer me this. If we ban guns as stated in the bill, just how in hell is that going to stop, prevent or otherwise deter a mass killing or all the killings committed by criminals with illegal guns? Is it logical to go after law abiding gun owners and not the criminal gun element? Come on, I need a laugh. Pucker up...! lol Surprisingly, you and I aren't that far apart on some issues of gun controls. And yeah, one of the principles violated by the post Port Arthur gun reforms in Australia was that the innocent, responsible and law-abiding gun owner was punished - severely! The reforms included a government sponsored gun buy-back scheme where all weapons now deemed illegal under the new legislation (semi-autos, pump action shotties etc) could be handed in, evaluated and the gun owner compensated accordingly. That part of the scheme worked comparitively smoothly.... Then there were the pot holes.... lol First off, as you say, no-one here believed criminals would be handing in weapons, either. The other flaw was a little more complex. Under the new laws, all gun owners had to be licensed (that wasn't new) and all guns registered. And you had to have a reason to obtain a licence, not "just because" or "personal/home security" etc. So Jo Average sporting shooter either had to join a gun club and shoot a minimum number of times per annum or obtain a stat-dec from a farmer/acreage owner giving their permission for you to shoot vermin etc there. And sure, as long as you had that, you could just target shoot, too. I have the latter (stat-dec) but I'm not sure how that works for shooting on property other than my friend's. BUT. For the average gun owner who hardly ever shoots, the new laws were prohibitive, 'specially if you don't know a farmer. I guess that was the idea - to remove weapons mostly just sitting around. Under the new laws, no licence means there are stiff fines for having a gun as you're obliged to hand them in. And therein lay a nasty "sting in the tail" of what's unfair.... If the particular gun you were handing in wasn't otherwise deemed illegal under the new laws (say a bolt action .22), you didn't qualify for compensation under the buy-back scheme. So of course a lot of principled people dug their heels in about just throwing away good money and of being considered a retrospective criminal by the legislation. As I said to you in that other thread, our controls went too far. And that even an air rifle (or pellet gun) is classified as a firearm, now. Hell, just before Xmas, they added another reform. That you can only purchase ammunition that suits the guns registered in your name. For instance, if you don't own a 12 gauge registered in your name, they won't sell you 12g cartridges. Frankly, it's nit-picking. Just means if you wanna borrow a mate's 12 gauge, he'll hafta supply the ammo, too. Focus.

BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:22:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 It is illegal to hunt with a full auto weapon in any state, punishable by fine and imprisonment. I told him that but he knows what we do better than we do. Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states. Told him that too. But he is too smart to be fooled by reality, read his last post he considers Americans to be genetically inferior, Isn't that what the Aussy Government said about aborigines till at least the 60s? True, but calling americans an inferior people is not against the TOS, and neither is denying the Holocaust. And both betray the same mindset. Funny though I was cautioned for saying something uncomplimentary about Australia.

jlf1961 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:23:46 PM)
Funny so was I.

Focus50 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:24:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states. Ok, beyond you two at least proving some humans never evolve and that some Americans aren't subject to human nature, I can take your word for it that no Americans anywhere own and shoot full autos out there in the wild. Just druggies/gangsters/criminals in the city, yes? Focus.

BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:25:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Funny so was I. Could it be a case of dishing it out but unable to take it?

BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:34:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states. Ok, beyond you two at least proving some humans never evolve and that some Americans aren't subject to human nature, I can take your word for it that no Americans anywhere own and shoot full autos out there in the wild. Just druggies/gangsters/criminals in the city, yes? Focus. Target shooting at a range yes but get real it costs $200 just to get permission to get a full auto. If caught with a magazine in your rifle that holds more than your state allows for hunting the weapon will be confiscated. You hunt full auto and you proclaim it to everyone within 2 miles. Anyone who has a good enough record to get a full auto isn't going to throw it away for a deer. So it seems to be a real good bet that isn't going to happen. Street gangs don't use them with anything like the frequency that someone who has admitted gets his knowlege of our crime situation from TV would think. But then to judge America by crime shows would be like judging Australia from Quigly Down Under.

jlf1961 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:37:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states. Ok, beyond you two at least proving some humans never evolve and that some Americans aren't subject to human nature, I can take your word for it that no Americans anywhere own and shoot full autos out there in the wild. Just druggies/gangsters/criminals in the city, yes? Focus. I did say, and I repeat, IT IS ILLEGAL TO USE A FULL AUTO HUNTING. I did not say it did not happen, I just said the person doing it risks a hefty fine and up to five years in prison and the confiscation of all his guns, so if it does, it is not a legally responsible gun owner doing it. Furthermore, shooting a game animal with a fully automatic weapon is just stupid, it destroys the meat and makes the kill useless. So anyone with even a bit of common sense would not do it. And the simple fact is that it is damn near impossible to pass the NFA regs to get a full auto weapon. What part of the last statement you are unable to comprehend, grasp or understand? Hell, of the guys I hunt wild hogs with owns a full auto weapon, and he never carries it in the field. They are useless. And besides the meat of the wild boar is almost inedible, but sow meat is pretty good. After the kills were processed last night, I had 400 pounds of good meat, which I wouldnt have if we had been using automatic weapons. Hell I have been trying for six months to the the paperwork through to by an M14, so far I have had to fill out the forms twice due to parts in which I gave the wrong info, but it sounded right considering the way the form is worded. And drugged out gang bangers do not use automatics in general... they prefer 9mm pistols and shotguns.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 7:38:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level A poll about what you think about gun ownership, and laws. You can pick multiple choices. Here's my poll: I like my guns. I'm keeping all of them. None are registered. I have about 12 or 13 of 'em, and they're spread all over the house in variant locations in holsters (I have really great locks on all my winders and doors). I plan on getting more.

Focus50 -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 8:13:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Oh another foreigner who knows exactly what Americans do every second of every day and what we hunt with. I would suggest he check out NFA regulations, which would prove it is not that fucking easy to get a fully automatic weapon in the states. Ok, beyond you two at least proving some humans never evolve and that some Americans aren't subject to human nature, I can take your word for it that no Americans anywhere own and shoot full autos out there in the wild. Just druggies/gangsters/criminals in the city, yes? Focus. I did say, and I repeat, IT IS ILLEGAL TO USE A FULL AUTO HUNTING. I did not say it did not happen, I just said the person doing it risks a hefty fine and up to five years in prison and the confiscation of all his guns, so if it does, it is not a legally responsible gun owner doing it. Furthermore, shooting a game animal with a fully automatic weapon is just stupid, it destroys the meat and makes the kill useless. So anyone with even a bit of common sense would not do it. And the simple fact is that it is damn near impossible to pass the NFA regs to get a full auto weapon. What part of the last statement you are unable to comprehend, grasp or understand? Hell, of the guys I hunt wild hogs with owns a full auto weapon, and he never carries it in the field. They are useless. And besides the meat of the wild boar is almost inedible, but sow meat is pretty good. After the kills were processed last night, I had 400 pounds of good meat, which I wouldnt have if we had been using automatic weapons. Hell I have been trying for six months to the the paperwork through to by an M14, so far I have had to fill out the forms twice due to parts in which I gave the wrong info, but it sounded right considering the way the form is worded. And drugged out gang bangers do not use automatics in general... they prefer 9mm pistols and shotguns. Ok, dumb but otherwise know-it-all foreigner that I am, I've got it in my head that anyone "hunting" with a full auto isn't about efficiently retrieving meat for eating but all about seeing just what his full auto can do to living flesh. An unreasonable and naive conclusion? Cos no American of the human variety would do that; it's only what know-it-all foreigners think might happen? For the record and in the wake of Newtown and the horrendous American gun toll in general, you, as a pro-gun American - no reforms are necessary or justified? All is well as is? Business as usual? Hands off the 2nd amendment? The system works? Just bury the dead as quietly as possible and pour scorn on nosey foreigners who don't know nuttin 'bout nuttin'? I'm oddly not comforted by what "drugged out gang bangers" really use, despite you putting paid to my ignorant prejudices per se'. Guess ya really do hafta be American to appreciate that one, yes? Focus.

BamaD -> RE: Guns (1/24/2013 8:26:17 PM)
Wrong as usual. I favor fixing the background checks, 30 states don't include the mental health information. That information alone would have stopped the Giffords shooter, the Va Tech shooter, the one in Aurora, maybe the one in Conn. and who knows how many others. It is against the law to even try to buy a firearm if you are a felon, but they haven't been prosecuting, that has to change. It is against the law to lie on the background check form again largly unprosecuted again needs to change. There is not a legal requirement to report lost or stolen firearms (except full auto) should be. Manditory sentence for using a gun in a crime. For some reason those politicians who are quick to penalize legal gun owners consistently balk at this. Firearms safty training in schools just like drivers training. Again as for hunting with full auto anyone irresponsible enough to do that would never get the license to own one in the first place. If he owns the gun ileagaly we've just gotten into a whole nuther can o worms as they say.

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