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Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 5:53:49 AM

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What does Homeland Security say is the way to protect yourself / fight back against a mass attacker or any attacker really? Why, this!

“If you are caught out in the open and cannot conceal yourself or take cover, you might consider trying to overpower the shooter with whatever means are available,” says the narrator in the video, which shows an office worker pulling scissors out of a desk drawer.

The video, titled “Options for Consideration,” also advises that people who get caught in an “active shooter” situation should run away, hide under a desk or take cover out of the line of fire.

“To protect your hiding place, lock the door if you can. Block the door with heavy furniture,” recommends the male narrator, speaking in measured, authoritative tones.

Other survival strategies promoted in the video include hiding “behind large items such as cabinets or desks. Remain quiet. Silence your cellphone or pager. Even the vibration setting can give away a hiding position.”

But of course that's not what DHS recommends for itself -

DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and / or when maximum concealment is required.

So there it is, right in black and white: DHS enforcers need full-auto AR-15s which are "suitable for personal defense in close quarters" and for "maximum concealment."

But if you or I make the same claim, suddenly we are branded lunatics by the fringe left and all the gun grabbers across America who apparently have no clue that their own government is arming up like never before.

If someone were to grab a set of electric pruning shears per the first, would they be prosecuted for using an automatic weapon in self defense?

Given the appearance the government portrays I'd not be surprised.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 6:42:54 AM

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What Obama's government wants for its people are personal defense firearms.
What Obama's government wants to deny "We the people..." are assault weapons.
Same gun.
Double standard indeed.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 6:51:39 AM

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What Obama's government wants for its people are personal defense firearms.
What Obama's government wants to deny "We the people..." are assault weapons.
Same gun.
Double standard indeed.

Actually they are not the same firearm. DHS's is select fire (full auto or burst capable, a/k/a assault weapons) whereas the AR style the government wants to ban to "We the People" is semi-auto only (personal defense firearms).

Boggles the mind.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 7:46:55 AM

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Does the government want to ban the AR? Where is the law and the language please?

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:01:51 AM

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What does Homeland Security say is the way to protect yourself / fight back against a mass attacker or any attacker really? Why, this!

“If you are caught out in the open and cannot conceal yourself or take cover, you might consider trying to overpower the shooter with whatever means are available,” says the narrator in the video, which shows an office worker pulling scissors out of a desk drawer.

The video, titled “Options for Consideration,” also advises that people who get caught in an “active shooter” situation should run away, hide under a desk or take cover out of the line of fire.

“To protect your hiding place, lock the door if you can. Block the door with heavy furniture,” recommends the male narrator, speaking in measured, authoritative tones.

Other survival strategies promoted in the video include hiding “behind large items such as cabinets or desks. Remain quiet. Silence your cellphone or pager. Even the vibration setting can give away a hiding position.”

But of course that's not what DHS recommends for itself -

DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and / or when maximum concealment is required.

So there it is, right in black and white: DHS enforcers need full-auto AR-15s which are "suitable for personal defense in close quarters" and for "maximum concealment."

But if you or I make the same claim, suddenly we are branded lunatics by the fringe left and all the gun grabbers across America who apparently have no clue that their own government is arming up like never before.

If someone were to grab a set of electric pruning shears per the first, would they be prosecuted for using an automatic weapon in self defense? Given the appearance the government portrays I'd not be surprised.

No clear-thinking citizen would be surprised, either. Government does have a double standard for members of the government. Congress is not required to obey the laws it passes on the American citizen...it exemps its self from them. Congress has its own bank, for example, where members are allowed to write 'bad checks', without penalty...at taxpayers expense.
As for 'defense in close quarters' and 'maximum concealment', the AR-15 is hardly suited to either. Scissors are much easier to conceal. Funny, when a citizen has an AR-15, it's an 'assault weapon', but when a government agent has one, it's for 'defense'...and if we, as American citizens, follow this line of thinking, we are, indeed, lunatics(according to Webster).

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:11:43 AM

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Lmao, poor poor babies crying over DHS having better toys than you are "@llowed" Maybe when you can stand with the big boys,you can play with the big toys, maybe when your job is the same as theirs ,your paranoia will be justified.........maybe

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:12:51 AM

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Does the government want to ban the AR? Where is the law and the language please?

Sen. Dianne Feinstein said she will reintroduce a ban on assault weapons to the Senate on the very first day the new House session on NBC's Meet the Press. Feinstein also said she wants and expects Barack Obama to lead on gun control from now on. "I can tell you that he is going to have a bill to lead on because as a first-day bill I'm going to introduce in the Senate and the same bill will be introduced in the House - a bill to ban assault weapons," Feinstein said. "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession. Not retroactively but prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets."

"... But the purpose of this bill is to get just what Mayor Bloomberg said, weapons of war, off the streets of our cities."

There's your language. Not the first time you've seen either. I find it interesting you constantly require it be shown to you.

Now what I want to know is where is your understanding? Personally I find it progressively lacking.

Doesn't seem to bother you either that DHS wants 7000 assault weapons (the real assault weapon) for their "personal defense" as they are so well suited (their statement, not mine).

Your colors shine bright.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:13:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

What does Homeland Security say is the way to protect yourself / fight back against a mass attacker or any attacker really? Why, this!

“If you are caught out in the open and cannot conceal yourself or take cover, you might consider trying to overpower the shooter with whatever means are available,” says the narrator in the video, which shows an office worker pulling scissors out of a desk drawer.

The video, titled “Options for Consideration,” also advises that people who get caught in an “active shooter” situation should run away, hide under a desk or take cover out of the line of fire.

“To protect your hiding place, lock the door if you can. Block the door with heavy furniture,” recommends the male narrator, speaking in measured, authoritative tones.

Other survival strategies promoted in the video include hiding “behind large items such as cabinets or desks. Remain quiet. Silence your cellphone or pager. Even the vibration setting can give away a hiding position.”

But of course that's not what DHS recommends for itself -

DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and / or when maximum concealment is required.

So there it is, right in black and white: DHS enforcers need full-auto AR-15s which are "suitable for personal defense in close quarters" and for "maximum concealment."

But if you or I make the same claim, suddenly we are branded lunatics by the fringe left and all the gun grabbers across America who apparently have no clue that their own government is arming up like never before.

If someone were to grab a set of electric pruning shears per the first, would they be prosecuted for using an automatic weapon in self defense? Given the appearance the government portrays I'd not be surprised.

Not a double standard..Homeland Security is a Law Enforcement agency, they are govern, like many laws enforcement agencies, by laws and court rulings that do not apply to civilians. I have not seen the video, the protect yourself one, however it sound simular to a shows with Bear Grylls, and he is a former French Foreign Legioneer. I have watch those and they do provide some good advice.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:19:48 AM

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1442 people killed by guns since newtown.....yayyyyyyyyy gun nuts....
btw Yachtie, its not your(generic) guns that make you(generic) a lunatic

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:19:51 AM

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you just proved there is a double standard

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:19:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Does the government want to ban the AR? Where is the law and the language please?

Sen. Dianne Feinstein said she will reintroduce a ban on assault weapons to the Senate on the very first day the new House session on NBC's Meet the Press. Feinstein also said she wants and expects Barack Obama to lead on gun control from now on. "I can tell you that he is going to have a bill to lead on because as a first-day bill I'm going to introduce in the Senate and the same bill will be introduced in the House - a bill to ban assault weapons," Feinstein said. "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession. Not retroactively but prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets."

"... But the purpose of this bill is to get just what Mayor Bloomberg said, weapons of war, off the streets of our cities."

There's your language. Not the first time you've seen either. I find it interesting you constantly require it be shown to you.

Now what I want to know is where is your understanding? Personally I find it progressively lacking.

Doesn't seem to bother you either that DHS wants 7000 assault weapons (the real assault weapon) for their "personal defense" as they are so well suited (their statement, not mine).

Your colors shine bright.

Yep thats what I know about. Didn't see anything about an AR, and didn't see the government wanting to ban it.

I didnt see you flouncing around hysterically throwing words around that didnt quite match what was said nor any part of reality, when the teabagger government wanted to poison our drinking water and call it a jobs bill. It passed overwhelmingly, btw.

Feinstein is not the Government. And the AR was not mentioned.

So which hand is the dick in, and which hand is the whiskey bottle in, cuz its comin up empty by all appearances.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:22:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Does the government want to ban the AR? Where is the law and the language please?

Sen. Dianne Feinstein said she will reintroduce a ban on assault weapons to the Senate on the very first day the new House session on NBC's Meet the Press. Feinstein also said she wants and expects Barack Obama to lead on gun control from now on. "I can tell you that he is going to have a bill to lead on because as a first-day bill I'm going to introduce in the Senate and the same bill will be introduced in the House - a bill to ban assault weapons," Feinstein said. "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession. Not retroactively but prospectively. And it will ban the same for big clips, drums or strips of more than 10 bullets."

"... But the purpose of this bill is to get just what Mayor Bloomberg said, weapons of war, off the streets of our cities."

There's your language. Not the first time you've seen either. I find it interesting you constantly require it be shown to you.

Now what I want to know is where is your understanding? Personally I find it progressively lacking.

Doesn't seem to bother you either that DHS wants 7000 assault weapons (the real assault weapon) for their "personal defense" as they are so well suited (their statement, not mine).

Your colors shine bright.

Feinstein is doing what she is paid to do in position as Senator, submited bills, consider she has been relected several times, she is doing what her constituents want her to do.

Again DHS is a Law Enforcement agency, and there are other Law Enforcement agencies that assault weapons. The Fontana School District Law Enforcement, the school district has it's own police force, just got 10 real assault rifles. Are you going to complain about that as well, NRA wanted schools to have armed police on the grounds.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:24:29 AM

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no infringement either right.

none the less they grant themselves the legal status to have them and they also claim it is suitable for close self defense which categorizes it as civilian arm.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:26:26 AM

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Feinstein is doing what she is paid to do in position as Senator, submited bills, consider she has been relected several times, she is doing what her constituents want her to do.

prove it!

lets see the records and documentation of what the constituents want.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:31:25 AM

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Go look at the vote that elected her to office. Its googleable. And its official.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:32:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Feinstein is not the Government. And the AR was not mentioned.

Your rhetoric-fu is weak. Look hard oh weak one. You've seen this before as its been posted here on the P&R. I shall be amused to watch you dance further.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:43:20 AM

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Feinstein is not the Government. And the AR was not mentioned.

Your rhetoric-fu is weak. Look hard oh weak one. You've seen this before as its been posted here on the P&R. I shall be amused to watch you dance further.

The factlessness and asswipe spewing is strong with this one. That is Max Slowicks list, I see nothing on there that is Feinstein. Nothing that is attributable to her, and nothing that is credible.

I did see where the republican party has decided to hold all their national conventions in the minnapolis airport bathroom from now on, they feel like they can get alot done in there. You wanna see proof at what you apparently consider a credible level?

SHOW ME THE LAW. SHOW ME WHERE OR GOVERNMENT IS CLAMORING TO BAN THE AR.

You got shit in one hand so far.

But lets go to the bottom line on your shitbreathing proof.

Think this is the real deal?

If Max (the author) has that at the bottom of the little splash, how are you foisting this asswipe off as proof, please.

Read your shit, this is pure gonnorrhea as credible citation.

EPIC FUCKIN FAIL. BAITING thats all this asswipe thread is.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:55:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Feinstein is not the Government.   And the AR was not mentioned.

Your rhetoric-fu is weak.

The factlessness and asswipe spewing is strong with this one.   That is Max Slowicks list, I see nothing on there that is Feinstein. Nothing that is attributable to her, and nothing that is credible.

I did see where the republican party has decided to hold all their national conventions in the minnapolis airport bathroom from now on, they feel like they can get alot done in there. You wanna see proof at what you apparently consider a credible level?

SHOW ME THE LAW. SHOW ME WHERE OR GOVERNMENT IS CLAMORING TO BAN THE AR.

You got shit in one hand so far.

But lets go to the bottom line on your shitbreathing proof.

Think this is the real deal?

If Max (the author) has that at the bottom of the little splash, how are you foisting this asswipe off as proof, please.

Read your shit, this is pure gonnorrhea as credible citation.

EPIC FUCKIN FAIL.   BAITING thats all this asswipe thread is.

Your Fu is even weaker than I thought. In her own words - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoYTgzsBZZI

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:58:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Feinstein is not the Government. And the AR was not mentioned.

Your rhetoric-fu is weak. Look hard oh weak one. You've seen this before as its been posted here on the P&R. I shall be amused to watch you dance further.

Thats the benefit to owning the "citizen" label.

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RE: Governmental double standard - 1/31/2013 8:59:24 AM

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Doesn't seem to bother you either that DHS wants 7000 assault weapons (the real assault weapon) for their "personal defense" as they are so well suited (their statement, not mine).

Just to be clear the weapons you are whining about are not assault rifles but PDW's which are more or less SMG's.

And they are ideally suited for use by well trained professionals. That's why special forces love the P90. They have no place in the hands of civilians.

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