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Toppingfrmbottom -> When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 2:32:41 PM)

like for instance hamburger helper, it calls for milk, which is 13 grams of sugar or something and 13 carbs, but the box itself says 26 carbs and 6 grams of sugar, and that's for 1 cup of hamburger helper.


So if you do add the milk and the hh, carb info's then you've had 39 carbs and 19 grams of sugar.


And then she's made a carrot cake, and 1 slice has 35 carbs and 18 grams of sugar, but wait that's not all she's added pudding and icing. and in that pudding 1/4 of a cup is 20 grams of sugar and 24 carbs, and the icing is 2 tbsp 20 grams of sugar and 23 carbs, but she didn't just use 2 tbs she used like a whole cup and a half.


My dad keeps saying I can have the cake just have a tiny, tiny sliver, take one slice and then cut it in half an the cake would be ok to eat.


but I'm not eating the cake, I am very suspicious of the theory that if you take one slice and cut it in half that it'd be ok / acceptible/ anything a diabetic should eat. Plus cake is a huge gut bomb any way, diabetic or not, it's not something that fat inactive people* my mom nor I* should eat.



angelikaJ -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 3:38:52 PM)

Tfb,

On the box there are 2 different nutrition panels: one is for just "as packaged" (whatever one serving is) and the other is for the "prepared" version.
You go by what the prepared version is... and remember that is for one serving, in this case 1 cup and about 1/5th of one box.
If your mom makes more than one box... .
It won't change much in terms of carbs because the added milk is then divided by the number of portions.

And yup, whatever extra is in or on the cake has to get added in.

As for to have or not to have?
I would go with your gut on this one and skip it.

However, simple carbs like potatoes, pasta made with white flour (such as what is in Hamburger Helper), white bread and white rice, get converted to sugar in your body very quickly.
As far as spiking blood sugar they are not much better than the cake.
Plus the fat in the cake will slow down the absorption of the sugar; that is not to say that having cake is a good option for you.

Some dietitians will tell you, you can have anything "in moderation" and that having a little taste will head off binge-ing later.
For some people though eating sweets makes them crave more sweets and sets them up to 'cheat'.

Skipping the cake and seeing it as an unnecessary item to your meal seems like a good choice for you.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 4:37:35 PM)

I'm going by the as prepared. There's 5 servings in one box, and I measure out exactly 1 cup, sometimes I'll have two cups, if that's all she's fixed and then my family gets the rest.

I keep trying to tell her that stuff like that isn't a healthy or nutritious meal and I've taken a diabetic nutrition class with her, and she still didn't get it, and so I scheduled all four of us for another class, and she won't listen and now she's refusing to go to the class cause she'd rather go to her knitting class .


Like today the only thing she made to eat was hamburger helper and cake, in her mind that's all we need to eat. There's no need for anything else. Or another favorite is a can of bushes baked beans, and then she adds brown sugar and pineapple to make baked beans and a huge potato salad. She just will not listen or put in the effort. And I hate that cause she decides well I am going to cook today, and then she makes things that I can't or shouldn't have and then gets mad when I won't eat it. It's an on going battle, and she knows how to cook diabetic because my grandma was diabetic, and her diabetes was being mis managed when my aunt was watching grandma, so she was over weight and on tons of insulin, and my mom got her down to a correct weight and off insulin. for some reason she just refuses to make the effort now.

and then she has the gall to say mean things to me about my weight like when we pass a 500 pound person in a wheel chair she says that'll be you if you don't stop eating, , or make snide comments about my diabetes/ weight.


And we don't really have the option to fix anything else, it's eat what she fixes or eat nothing at all. Or eat stuff like crackers and peanut butter, or canned tuna and crackers, or just plain old canned tuna.

We have odds and ends like canned tuna, and pb, and cans of fruit or beans, but not whole meals. Being able to politely refuse the meals she makes and fix our own is something we're working on.



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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Tfb,

On the box there are 2 different nutrition panels: one is for just "as packaged" (whatever one serving is) and the other is for the "prepared" version.
You go by what the prepared version is... and remember that is for one serving, in this case 1 cup and about 1/5th of one box.
If your mom makes more than one box... .
It won't change much in terms of carbs because the added milk is then divided by the number of portions.

And yup, whatever extra is in or on the cake has to get added in.

As for to have or not to have?
I would go with your gut on this one and skip it.

However, simple carbs like potatoes, pasta made with white flour (such as what is in Hamburger Helper), white bread and white rice, get converted to sugar in your body very quickly.
As far as spiking blood sugar they are not much better than the cake.
Plus the fat in the cake will slow down the absorption of the sugar; that is not to say that having cake is a good option for you.

Some dietitians will tell you, you can have anything "in moderation" and that having a little taste will head off binge-ing later.
For some people though eating sweets makes them crave more sweets and sets them up to 'cheat'.

Skipping the cake and seeing it as an unnecessary item to your meal seems like a good choice for you.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 4:40:17 PM)

I am one of those people who having just a little, sets off my desire to binge or eat more of regular on the item. I am far, far, faaaaaaaaar times infinity better off not having just a "wee bit" and avoiding it all together than trying to open that door and then close it at the appropriate time.



lmpishlilhellcat -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 5:47:07 PM)

I'm the same way. I have a hard time eating sugar in moderation. A small taste can set me off on a binge that goes on for days until I can curb it enough to get it under control.

You can make a small nice little meal out of tuna. If you have any fresh veggies or fruits you can pair that with the tuna. Sometimes when my hubby wants to eat bad food, I just eat separately. Sometimes when I don't feel like cooking I'll take tuna and mix it with some lemon juice, fresh cherry tomatoes, cucumbers, and salt n pepper. Then I add some cottage cheese and/or fruit on the side. It makes for a little nice light meal.

Sometimes I just make a tuna sandwich with a little bit of light mayo, onion, and a splash of mustard (or honey dijon mustard). I like to use the thin 45 calorie bread. Or sometimes I just make some scrambled eggs for dinner. It's easy and quick. Sometimes I vary that with a small veggie omelet with hot sauce.

One thing that I have found is that certain types of apples like Gala or Honeycrisp are sweet enough to curb my sweet tooth. Navel oranges are a nice sweet addition too. Then you are getting a healthy sweet fix.


I know you are on a limited income and kinda dependent on whom you live with, but around here churches often give away free food. You can get potatoes, carrots, celery, and usually fruits like apple and oranges for free. Maybe, you can look around for a program like that. That way you would have something else that you could use for dinner.



littlewonder -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 7:11:31 PM)

I count every single thing. Usually boxes where you have to add stuff to it will have two different lists....the box itself before mixing stuff in and a list with the stuff mixed in.

if it doesn't then I count each ingredient separately.


If your mom is making foods that you know you shouldn't eat, then don't eat it. Prepare your own meals. Your mom and dad are sabotaging your diet and lifestyle changes. And next time she says something about that being you, just say something like "I wouldn't if you would stop making the foods you know we shouldn't eat" or "yup, right alongside you mom".



DarkSteven -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 9:02:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Your mom and dad are sabotaging your diet and lifestyle changes.


That's the feeling I get as well.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 9:09:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

like for instance hamburger helper, it calls for milk, which is 13 grams of sugar or something and 13 carbs, but the box itself says 26 carbs and 6 grams of sugar, and that's for 1 cup of hamburger helper.


So if you do add the milk and the hh, carb info's then you've had 39 carbs and 19 grams of sugar.


And then she's made a carrot cake, and 1 slice has 35 carbs and 18 grams of sugar, but wait that's not all she's added pudding and icing. and in that pudding 1/4 of a cup is 20 grams of sugar and 24 carbs, and the icing is 2 tbsp 20 grams of sugar and 23 carbs, but she didn't just use 2 tbs she used like a whole cup and a half.


My dad keeps saying I can have the cake just have a tiny, tiny sliver, take one slice and then cut it in half an the cake would be ok to eat.


but I'm not eating the cake, I am very suspicious of the theory that if you take one slice and cut it in half that it'd be ok / acceptible/ anything a diabetic should eat. Plus cake is a huge gut bomb any way, diabetic or not, it's not something that fat inactive people* my mom nor I* should eat.


I thought you were supposed to count the carbs and sugar of what everyone else is having, divide by the number of people, that being the average and go with that number.




EsotericLady -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/10/2013 9:18:48 PM)

Why is the OP not cooking her own meals?

And yes. Everything is counted. Every additive. Every tablespoon of oil you cook with. And measuring is very important.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/11/2013 4:04:57 AM)

Es, because most the time, we dont have much, if any food to cook. Also mt mom likes to cook and will decide to cook for all 4 of us, but puts little thought into the complete nutrition. Or is it something D appropriate.



agent0fchaos -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/12/2013 9:57:08 AM)

At the risk of being forward, would you be interested in some suggestions for simple, few-ingredient meals that are pretty healthy (or at least made from whole ingredients)? I know how hard it can be to get the stuff you need in the house, especially if you're working on a limited budget or limited shopping time.

My husband eats veggie, and I don't, so I have a little practice with meals that can be converted from one to the other. That and I do a lot of soups/stews that you can just throw in a pot and ignore all day. If you're watching sodium, though, my recipes wont' be for you.

I wouldn't even offer, but I grew up in a household where no one cooked, and it's taken me a long time to figure out easy meals that are ok for you. ('course, now I love to cook, but that's neither here nor there.)

This is well-intentioned and I honestly hope it comes off that way. If not, yell at me and I'll not do it again.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/12/2013 5:42:43 PM)

Id love some recipes! Thank you! No yelling here!



agent0fchaos -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 8:25:31 AM)

Awesome. I'll get them written out and posted or messaged to you Tuesday-ish.



Moonhead -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 1:04:28 PM)

The sooner they give up on this carb counting nonesense and move onto the next scripted health fad the better.



TheLilSquaw1 -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 1:08:52 PM)

I count calories, fat, sugar, ect in everything that I eat.
I do it to make sure I get enough calories and enough fat.
Reading labels is an art. Lol

I don't thing TFBs parents have to eat what she eats.
She is an adult.
She has income of her own.
The problem with relying on other's to feed you, is you don't get to dictate what they eat.
Or what you eat.

Her journey isn't their journey.
It's hers.





Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 4:54:35 PM)

You are aware I am a diabetic and when I say counting carbs it's not a health fad nonsense, it's a thing you're supposed to do to help control the diabetes.
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The sooner they give up on this carb counting nonesense and move onto the next scripted health fad the better.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 4:56:59 PM)

When you're cooking for the entire family cause you want to do something nice, i think it's a slap in the face to fix something you know one of the people you're cooking for can't eat. It's the same as if I was allergic to fish and she kept insisting on fixing fish as her treat for the "whole family"

It's not doing something nice when you exclude the people you want to cook for.



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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw1

I count calories, fat, sugar, ect in everything that I eat.
I do it to make sure I get enough calories and enough fat.
Reading labels is an art. Lol

I don't thing TFBs parents have to eat what she eats.
She is an adult.
She has income of her own.
The problem with relying on other's to feed you, is you don't get to dictate what they eat.
Or what you eat.

Her journey isn't their journey.
It's hers.







epiphiny43 -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 5:11:59 PM)

I'd think about relocating if you want to outlive your mom. Just the stress at meal time is bad for someone working on nutrition discipline.
The classes on diabetic diet and cooking need revising if questions about how to figure total calorie, protein, fat and micro nutrient amounts in your diet are still not well understood. Bring your questions back to the instructors?



TheLilSquaw1 -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 5:46:25 PM)

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Es, because most the time, we dont have much, if any food to cook.



Although they are doing it to be nice, even according to you they are doing it for other reasons. Which include you don't have much if any food to cook. I'm sorry if someone is doing you a favor THAT should be enough.


ETA: To ME the slap in the face is when the person I am feeding doesn't appreciate the food I am preparing them.



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: When you're counting the sugar and carb count in your foods, do you count every single item you used (2/13/2013 6:06:57 PM)

Yes. I am going to ask the class instructor!
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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Bring your questions back to the instructors?



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