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sexyred1 -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 9:34:13 AM)

I was commenting on the other thread and said that I don't like when someone labels themselves an expert on the likes section.

I understand LP's explanation so that would make her more of an expert than most people. I can see someone being an expert in cooking or some professional thing.

However, I am not really impressed when someone says they are an expert at all sorts of thing, especially kink activities.

Why would I be? If someone says they are an expert in spanking, what does that mean exactly? I may not like your style.

I think it is really silly and often it focuses more on the activity than the person. Call me old fashioned, but I really do prefer to get to know someone on the basis of what we end up talking about. I never decided to meet anyone because they checked off boxes saying they are experts in ass play.



theshytype -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 9:35:30 AM)

Why, thank you!

And, yes, if I was interested in racing (which I would LOVE to do) I most certainly would want someone with qualifications teaching me.
Going back to the example of spanking, I do not want someone random going near my ass with a paddle unless I know they know what they're doing.

I would say I agree with Aries suggestion of experience over the term expert.
Again, I'm not going to say I'm an expert driver but would say I have 17 years experience.



kdsub -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 9:43:55 AM)

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I think it is really silly and often it focuses more on the activity than the person. Call me old fashioned, but I really do prefer to get to know someone on the basis of what we end up talking about. I never decided to meet anyone because they checked off boxes saying they are experts in ass play.


I agree with you as things stand now. And as I said only in meeting someone can you know for sure. But i do believe there is some basic knowledge of technique and safety that could easily be quantified in a test.

And if I knew someone had to of taken a test to be able to have a certain designation by their lists it could mean something to me if I were looking for something in particular.

I am not trying to add too much importance to the suggestion for a test but it was just a thought.

Butch



Missokyst -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 9:47:40 AM)

I dislike that box on the other side. I am not an expert on anything and that includes art, for which I received a scholarship at age 13. I think it should be changed to "does this professionally" instead of expert. It would take a lot for me to recognise someone as an expert. I don't even include speaking on, or demonstrating a subset of skills as being on the level of an expert. For me getting to that point means that they have the ability to stand before an audience. I had the same view of teachers in grade school and did not hold them in any higher regard than the kid beside me. As far as the designations on the other side I still like seeing them on profiles. It gives me a good idea at the mind behind the profile.



kdsub -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 9:53:39 AM)

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Again, I'm not going to say I'm an expert driver but would say I have 17 years experience


To me just because you have driven for 17 years or have 17 years experience at a scene in BDSM does not qualify you to be proficient or even knowledgeable. So I do believe an actual test and a designation would be more useful then just years of doing something.

Butch



ResidentSadist -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 10:07:37 AM)

I don't have any expert tags in my profile, although by my own standards I feel I am qualified enough to teach a thing or two. I consider others an expert when they have reached a high level of knowledge and skill at the art/technique.

I don't know if I have a time limit as in X amount of years. I have seen some people doing the same shit for 20 years and they still don't seem to have done any research or learned anything about what they are doing. I guess I consider someone an expert when they can tell me the history, the reason and the dynamics for the technique as well as execute the technique properly. Then they are worthy of learning from.



LadyPact -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 10:25:24 AM)

This thread is turning out even better than I thought. [:)]

Really enjoying the comments here. Keep them coming.



RedMagic1 -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 10:43:46 AM)

FR:

"A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. "


http://www.livescience.com/18678-incompetent-people-ignorant.html



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 10:58:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

Again, I'm not going to say I'm an expert driver but would say I have 17 years experience


To me just because you have driven for 17 years or have 17 years experience at a scene in BDSM does not qualify you to be proficient or even knowledgeable. So I do believe an actual test and a designation would be more useful then just years of doing something.

Butch


There can be two sides to either one.

For example, driving for 17 years, most would assume that makes them proficient.
My friend has been driving for nearly 30 years but I wouldn't dare get in the car with her driving - she is attrocious!! She has made more dents or had serious accidents in the last two years and written off 3 cars in the process than I have had in my last 25 years of driving.

Like most people, she passed her test. But I really wouldn't trust her with anything on wheels.

My step-son has passed his mechanics exam - and he has the certificate to prove it.
But I wouldn't dare let him near a push-bike!
I wouldn't even trust him to change a wheel on my car.

Another friend took his PC to PC-World because it had died.
He paid the princely sum of £80 to be told it was knackered and they couldn't do anything with it.
I spent 5 mins looking at what it did (or more precisely, what it didn't do), prescribed some new Ram (cost him £20 on ebay), replaced the PSU from an old battered PC case I had laying around and was about to dump - hey presto, a working PC!!
Am I an expert?? I wouldn't consider myself as one but I do like to think I know what I'm doing.

Then there were people like my dad (when he was alive) who had never had a driving test/exam in his life.
He got his "license" in the army in WW2 triving a tank and a tracked personnel carrier.
I could trust him - he was a smoooth driver and I often fell asleep on long journeys.
I can't ever recall him ever having an accident in my lifetime.


So I'm not sure that a test or even any type of certificate is any proof that you are an 'expert' at all.

Just my [sm=2cents.gif]




kdsub -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 11:07:46 AM)

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So I'm not sure that a test or even any type of certificate is any proof that you are an 'expert' at all.


Then I suppose it would be OK if I designed a high rise apartment building and rent you the top floor?

Or maybe the car you drive…. I would make mine without brakes

Or let me teach your high schooler sex education… or calculus.

Better yet I now designate myself a doctor…do you need your brain operated on?

Going overboard again I know but tests may not guarantee knowledge but they are the best idea we have.

Butch



PeonForHer -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 11:08:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1


"A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. "




You can't trust psychologists, though, Red - they're all incompetent.



crazyml -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 12:00:04 PM)

Really interesting topic,

So the first thing I did was look at my profile to remember what I'd claimed to be expert in...

Beachcombing,
Travel,
Sailing,
Coffee Shops,
Museums,
Volunteerism,
Camping,
Hiking

And broadly speaking, I'm pretty happy that I'd pass the "Would you claim to be able to do this to a professional standard or to teach others to do so" test on all of these.

But, that honestly wasn't the test I applied when I ticked them, indeed "Writing" probably has the greatest claim to the "expert" tag since it's largely how I make my living.

I don't take these "self assessments of skill" particularly seriously - And I certainly tend to be suspicious (to the point of mockery) of people that are expert at pretty much everything.

LadyPact: Knowing you from these boards, I'd assume that if you claimed a level of expertise that you'd be applying the definition that you've provided, and I wouldn't doubt your claim. With most people, however, I'm inclined to take them with a large pinch of salt.



Level -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 12:33:22 PM)

I'm an expert at getting massages, I've got the paperwork, somewhere.



outlier -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 12:42:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

FR:

"A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. "


http://www.livescience.com/18678-incompetent-people-ignorant.html


Interesting reading.  And if it could be verified it would explain a lot.





crazyml -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 1:01:24 PM)

I recently attended a "speed awareness course", as a way to avoid a speeding fine and points on my license. A bunch of us were there, all for some sort of traffic violation or another.

Hilariously, all of the attendees were asked to rate their driving ability, the average was 7.5 out of ten.

It would have been higher, were it not for my 5/10.



TNDommeK -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 1:48:29 PM)

I think I'm an expert at shopping and an expert at going to casinos and giving money away, lol. Occasionally they give some back. Ahhh, poker is a cruel mistress. Lemme go look at my profile.

Wow, yea...I don't remember putting "expert" by photography bc I'm not. I do take good pics but hardly an expert. I am however an expert at candle making. As I make those all the time and sell them. They are beautiful I might add.

I have a egotistical, narcissistic side to me. So there's every chance in the world that it was pompous ass day when I created my profile,lol.



Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 1:55:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: outlier

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

FR:

"A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. "


http://www.livescience.com/18678-incompetent-people-ignorant.html


Interesting reading.  And if it could be verified it would explain a lot.




Or as Michio Kaku says, fish don't know they're wet.



TieMeInKnottss -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 2:03:55 PM)

I hated filling out those things. How can you be an "expert" in anything that does not have a defined set of standards. Am I an expert at Board Games because I know how to play Chutes and Ladders, Monopoly, Life , or do I need to have beaten a certain number of people (and does beating people under the age of 10 count?). I don't know of a single publisher or school looking to publish books or papers or hold symposiums on such things... I have never considered myself an expert in anything...even banking and mortgages and I have run large multi-million dollar divisions, been a sought after consultant..in those fields.. IMO saying you are an "expert" just opens you up to someone wanting to prove how they know more than you do..I much prefer to fly under the radar & only bring out my "expertise" when I am in a situation that warrants it.



littlewonder -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 2:05:44 PM)

I don't claim to be an expert at anything, no matter how much I may know about a subject. There are always going to be someone who knows more than me.

The only way I would consider someone an expert at anything is if they have a degree or certification to show me they are AND have at least 10 years of consistent and above average skills.





ResidentSadist -> RE: Expert designations (2/17/2013 2:15:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2
quote:

ORIGINAL: outlier
quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
FR:

"A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. "


http://www.livescience.com/18678-incompetent-people-ignorant.html


Interesting reading.  And if it could be verified it would explain a lot.

Or as Michio Kaku says, fish don't know they're wet.

And apparently this "rope master" thinks that dropping people from suspension is inevitable. It had nothing to do with his own idiocy. He said, "No matter how much we study or train, know this: we will fail someday." Hmmm . . . so training and practice lead to failure? I always though it was stupidity that lead to failure.

As RedMagic's link said, some people are just too dumb to know they're dumb.

dropping a bondaged person

The Suspension Accident: It Finally Happened...





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