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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 4:26:46 AM

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Ahem.... I live with a gorean man... I can assure you the thought of sharing me never once crossed his mind. My ex was also gorean... the thought of sharing me never once crossed his mind as well. Some gorean men are really greedy bastards that way. LOL... as prices on beef start to rise, Im sure the man wishes I was like cattle. However, you are referring to slaves being property, which we are. Just dont mistake that to mean we are as worthless to them as an animal. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 4:29:01 AM

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Ahem.... I live with a gorean man... I can assure you the thought of sharing me never once crossed his mind. My ex was also gorean... the thought of sharing me never once crossed his mind as well. Some gorean men are really greedy bastards that way. LOL... as prices on beef start to rise, Im sure the man wishes I was like cattle. However, you are referring to slaves being property, which we are. Just dont mistake that to mean we are as worthless to them as an animal. Nothing could be further from the truth.

They are human goreans though. Gorean men from the books do mention about females being worthless.
So as I said, it depends on how far into the fantasy they want to be.
I see your Gorean men as injecting mixture into modern days respect for women with Gorean play.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 4:34:35 AM

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LOL He doesnt respect me...he respects my intelligence... he respects my honesty... he respects my abilities.. and uses them all for his own purposes.

And im not sure what "gorean play" is, to be honest.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 4:38:49 AM

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LOL He doesnt respect me...he respects my intelligence... he respects my honesty... he respects my abilities.. and uses them all for his own purposes.

You = intelligence, honesty, abilities

My interpretation from the books is that it seems like the big challenge for a gorean slave girl is to make herself indispensable and make her master crave for her and only want to play with her exclusively and not wanting others to have her. Because a regular gorean man generally will share his slaves, and will have many different slaves, and usually don't believe in getting themselves emotionally attached to one. It's also survival for these girls, as they are completely at their mercies, if they find a decent master, they cling on to him and do whatever it takes to make him not want to part with her, if they get a cruel master, they are helpless.
But a regular bdsm man may or not may be those things, depending on his kinks.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 4:43:15 AM

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I had to read the books a few times to get the full gist of many things. As far as sharing... pst... some men do.. some dont... some men are gorean.. some men are not. Its really that simple. There is no such things as.. well, cus he shared he is such-and-such. Generalizations like that will result in you looking foolish.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 7:44:29 AM

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Ahem.... I live with a gorean man...

OK, so at this point the obvious question comes up. Tazzy's been posting here for a long time and her living arrangements are fairly well known to us all -- either that or she's been making up one hell of an elaborate and boring story for quite some time now. I'm not all that certain myself about the "Gor" label with her and her master but I am sure certain about the reality of her life.

Greta, you have a secondlife image of Gor as your primary avatar photo. What I want to know is what you know of Gor in the real world. By "real world" what I mean is conversations you have had with people face to face (as in... you could smell them not skype or any other such thing). I have sat down with 3 people/couples who professed to be gorean in the real world in a serious and active way. None of them shared their [current] partner. So how many actual Goreans do you know and of those, how many shared their slave?

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Oh yeah. I'm not Gorean or BDSM really but I would share Carol. I haven't done so yet but I see it as a great way to make her do something truly horrendous to her. Pushing boundaries with her takes some doing.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 12:28:33 PM

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Please dont question him by my actions. I am not owned. I left all the rules and regs (here) of a kajira a little over a year ago when I stopped posting on the gor threads. Doesnt mean I dont know the lifestyle.

I also dont want you to think that I was demeaning people who share. I dont. Its their kink, have at it. I just thought it rather... pompous.. to insinuate because of one action someone must be "something".

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 12:33:04 PM

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Yup, but I believe that "consensual slavery" is an oxymoron and isn't really slavery.

Yes it's a fantasy roleplay, if that's not the case for anybody let me know so I can call the cops.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 12:36:00 PM

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If its a fantasy role play, it should be a hell of a lot easier than it is.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 12:40:43 PM

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Not to worry about any of that Tazzy -- really -- my respect for you and indirectly your main squeeze (there, didn't I neatly avoid BDSM labels LOL) is lively.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 12:48:22 PM

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But once entered, that's it. You no longer have rights.

According to the laws of the United States, you cannot give up your natural rights. Period. You can sign any document you want, saying that you're giving up rights and the law would ignore it.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 1:11:50 PM

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If its a fantasy role play, it should be a hell of a lot easier than it is.

It's as simple or elaborate, as straightforward or convoluted, as easy or as difficult as the people involved make it.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 1:13:41 PM

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Hardly. But I do enjoy your fantasy image of consensual slavery.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 5:18:12 PM

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Yup, but I believe that "consensual slavery" is an oxymoron and isn't really slavery.

Of course. I created an account here with this nick because I honestly didn't think I'd use it much and because the word "slave" seemed to just cut to the chase. Of course I'm not a "real" slave but as littlewonder has described quite well, my relationship role more closely fits that term than "sub." People who call themselves baby girls, princesses, etc. aren't "really" those things either. Are they daughters of kings and queens or actual 6 month old children? No. But putting those labels cuts to the chase as "slave" does. It kind of sums up how they see their place in their relationship. No one seems to lose any sleep over them calling themselves by those terms so why is "slave" so different?

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 6:24:42 PM

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No one seems to lose any sleep over them calling themselves by those terms so why is "slave" so different?

Guesswork only? My guess is that it's because "slave" became "I'm better than a sub". When the label got turned into a status symbol suddenly people would want to question it, no? Oddly the cachet of "slave" is at the label level only. In the practical implementation thereof BDSM folks seem to more usually align it with a negative like "doormat".

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 6:47:52 PM

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Naaa.. for me... there is little difference between a slave and a sub. I have met subs who were more slave than some slaves I knew..

I do often feel there is a "slaviest slave of the year "competition happening. My "slave" distinction applies to how I am in a relationship.. and only then.. and only in regards to the man I serve.

Lets face it, within your relationship, Carol is what you decide she is... and no one else will change that belief for her.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 7:32:41 PM

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I have sat down with 3 people/couples who professed to be gorean in the real world in a serious and active way. None of them shared their [current] partner. So how many actual Goreans do you know and of those, how many shared their slave?
edited to add
Oh yeah. I'm not Gorean or BDSM really but I would share Carol. I haven't done so yet but I see it as a great way to make her do something truly horrendous to her. Pushing boundaries with her takes some doing.

My interpretation of gorean is what the books say. I understand that's on Gor and not on earth, but the point is, as I have stated, I am not denying human goreans may choose to mix up their modern day values with gorean culture. And their modern day values require them to treat women with more respect than Gorean men in the books do.
So you have met two gorean men who choose to only practice certain parts of Gorean culture.
The thing about Gor, as compared to BDSM is, there is actually a guide book, which is the novels on what the lifestyle originated from. Of course, humans have the choice to choose what to follow and what not to follow in it, in this world of free will.

It's like Christians right? Technically, a Christian should be following the bible to the Tee, but many don't, because they have free will.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 7:36:30 PM

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According to the laws of the United States, you cannot give up your natural rights. Period. You can sign any document you want, saying that you're giving up rights and the law would ignore it.

What I am saying is, when you enter into a slave contract with a master who has accepted that you have given up your freedom to him, he will not treat you within the parameters of the law, whether it is illegal or not. Because you have had a private agreement with him.
Hell, many things are against the law where I am. Sodomy is against the law too. Oral sex with someone other than your legally married spouse is against the law. I am willing to bet not a single dom in my country abide by those laws.

PS: Okay, I am not explaining the oral sex part right. Oral sex is against the law, if it is not followed through by penetration, that is the exact law.

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 7:37:34 PM

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But that wasn't the question. I'm not debating the stupidity of the label set itself... that's a given. The question was why do people argue against it so and my contention was the status symbol nature of it (largely I might add in ONLINE settings) became a club to beat people with.

Carol's "slave distinction" doesn't really apply at all because even I'm not fixated on the label. I've decided she is Carol... my wife who obeys me.... because reality agrees with that description pretty closely :)

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RE: Why A Slave? - 6/3/2013 7:40:50 PM

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Oh yeah. I'm not Gorean or BDSM really but I would share Carol. I haven't done so yet but I see it as a great way to make her do something truly horrendous to her. Pushing boundaries with her takes some doing.

You might enjoy this. A femdom asked me if I'd be interested in a cuckolding scene, sort of as the bull. I'd be sensual sub to her doing massage and making her feel nice. Not much overt sexual contact. All the while, she'd be telling her primary sub how much better a job I was doing than he was, and how much she preferred my hands on her body.

We ended up not doing, it, and I don't know how it would have worked out for him if we had, but she was trying to make their cuckold fantasy real in a way that involved sharing but not actual sex. I thought it was a very interesting idea. Maybe that's a form of "sharing" that would push a limit without shattering it.

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