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Hillwilliam -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 11:15:46 AM)

You haz mail taz.



tazzygirl -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 11:18:28 AM)

Please see my edit.



tazzygirl -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 11:22:57 AM)

Your link includes...

PT 6058 Anatomy for Physical Therapy (6)

Phsl 5101 Human Physiology (5)

DS himself admitted he had only the basics of A&P. The basics do not conver disease processes and the changes that occur as a result of those diseases as well as the anatomical and physiological changes with such disorders such as endometriosis.

Honestly, I have no idea why you are even debating this.

Grab a nurse and ask her if her A&P education ended in her first year of nursing school.



tazzygirl -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 11:24:52 AM)

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Separate insurance companies from care providers and increase the competition within the industry. Right there you'll have cost reductions. Enough?


Get rid of insurance companies as we know them and there will be massive savings.

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Cap malpractice payouts (which will lower malpractice insurance, which might reduce Dr. costs (depends on the Dr.'s choice to profit more or lower costs; I think there will be a mix with some lowering costs and some enjoying the increased profits)).


This assume insurance companies (which underwrite malpractice) will lower those costs. To date, I have yet to see insurance companies lower anything.

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Are there efficiencies within Medicare and Medicaid that are process-oriented? Let's see, Obama and the Democrats have said they have identified some, and the Republicans have said they have identified some. How about we institute those process changes (at least the ones both parties agree on) to lower the costs instead of talking about how much we could save?


Many of those inefficiencies are as a result of fraud. Agreed? Double billing is a huge one. One payer system gets rid of the double billing.

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What happened in 1980 that resulted in an accelerated increase in health care? The 20 years prior, our costs were rising at about the same rate as the rest.


HCA happened. HMO's happened. Kaiser happened. Many things happened which put insurance companies in charge of the costs of health care.

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And, those are programs that I don't have an issue supporting, as an idea. I might not like how the program is run, but that doesn't mean the program itself is bad.


So you would rather pay for the costs of carrying, delivering and raising a child that supporting birth control.. which is by far the cheaper option for your wallet. Which tells me its not about cost for you at all.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 11:40:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Your link includes...

PT 6058 Anatomy for Physical Therapy (6)

Phsl 5101 Human Physiology (5)

DS himself admitted he had only the basics of A&P. The basics do not conver disease processes and the changes that occur as a result of those diseases as well as the anatomical and physiological changes with such disorders such as endometriosis.

Honestly, I have no idea why you are even debating this.

Grab a nurse and ask her if her A&P education ended in her first year of nursing school.

My mom was an RN with an MS for 25 years. The question was A&P coursework.

My link also includes. medical neurology that's anatomy and physiology (5 CR)
Anatomy for PT, (6 CR)
pathophysiology
human development
biomechanics (physiology again)

As for why were debating this, I made a claim and it was refuted.



tazzygirl -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 12:03:43 PM)

pathophysiology - Fundementals of Nursing - not to mention the Pathophysiology books I had to have with each modality.

human development - Each modality, from infancy to geriatrics.

biomechanics (physiology again) Fundamentals of Nursing, also included in the Med/Surg modality.

You are falling into your own trap. You seek insisting all you are speaking about is A&P courses, yet you brought all these in, which are not listed as A&P courses, then turn around and negate all the addistional A&P additions with each modality of nursing.

Maternal health -

Clinical Reference sections in pediatric chapters present information relevant to each body system, including anatomy and physiology, differences in the pediatric patient, and related laboratory and diagnostic tests.

http://www.amazon.com/Maternal-Child-Nursing-Emily-Slone-McKinney/dp/1437727751

Fundamentals of Nursing -

21. Concepts of Growth and Development


http://wps.prenhall.com/chet_kozier_fundamentals_7/

Geriatrics

This package contains the following components:

-0135077591: Core Concepts in Pharmacology

-0135149886: Unlocking Medical Terminology

-0135153875: Professionalism in Healthcare: A Primer for Career Success

-0132050730: Anatomy, Physiology, & Disease: An Interactive Journey for Health Professionals

http://www.amazon.com/Physiology-Gerontological-Comprehensive-Terminology-Professionalism/dp/0132779994

Biomechanics - http://vimeo.com/27838745 (Typically taught in Fundamentals and with Med/Surg)

Med/Surg - Pretty much goes without saying that anatomy, physiology as well as biomechanics are integrated into this modality.

Critical Care Nursing - Acute Stroke Nursing was edited by Jane Williams, Lin Perry, and Carolyn Watkins. Few resources have been available for nurses who work with patients who experience the devastating consequences of stroke. This is a comprehensive resource that covers the complex anatomy of the brain and the pathophysiology of stroke. The chapters cover the many and varied consequences of stroke, including incontinence, nutritional impairments, and physical impairments. Crucially, this book also addresses the changes that can occur to a patient’s mood.

http://ajnoffthecharts.com/2011/01/06/choosing-ajns-med-surg-nursing-books-of-the-year/

I could go on, but I have proven my point.




JeffBC -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 12:03:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
So you would rather pay for the costs of carrying, delivering and raising a child that supporting birth control.. which is by far the cheaper option for your wallet. Which tells me its not about cost for you at all.

In the end, of course, this gets to the heart of why things are so much cheaper here in Canada. In Canada they don't seem to treat this as a religious issue. Instead, public health is treated in a more business-like fashion with an eye towards maximum result at minimum expense. In addition, the reduced number of middlemen also results in reduced profit-taking. Finally, as a culture, Canada has much less tolerance for exorbitant profit taking by CEO's & Executives than the US (of course, that's true of the entire world).

I honestly suspect that fraud is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the corporate profit taking. I'm not aware of anything in Canada that couldn't be implemented in the US tomorrow. There is no mysterious cultural divide that I know of. All that we'd need to do is create a single payer system then set rates at what Canada is already paying. Honestly you'd think a bargaining position 10x stronger than Canada's would result in lower rates but I'm willing to be generous. That'd make a fine starting point.

And just as an interesting aside since this comes up all the time... in this country where (to hear the conservatives tell the tale) it's impossible to gain access to health care because rates are so low nobody wants to be a doctor yada yada... Carol just called this morning to get in to see her doctor. Her appointment is at 2. That's pretty much par for the course. Our actual observation is that it is VASTLY easier to access health care here.



tazzygirl -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/15/2013 12:14:49 PM)

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I honestly suspect that fraud is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the corporate profit taking. I'm not aware of anything in Canada that couldn't be implemented in the US tomorrow. There is no mysterious cultural divide that I know of. All that we'd need to do is create a single payer system then set rates at what Canada is already paying. Honestly you'd think a bargaining position 10x stronger than Canada's would result in lower rates but I'm willing to be generous. That'd make a fine starting point.


Oh, I totally agree. CEO bonuses alone would cover many, many thousands of people.

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And just as an interesting aside since this comes up all the time... in this country where (to hear the conservatives tell the tale) it's impossible to gain access to health care because rates are so low nobody wants to be a doctor yada yada... Carol just called this morning to get in to see her doctor. Her appointment is at 2. That's pretty much par for the course. Our actual observation is that it is VASTLY easier to access health care here.


I currently live in Pittsburgh, a large medical community with teaching hospitals. I waited 5 months to see my heel surgeon because, frankly, he is THE best in the area. He was worth the wait. He is one of those that when yo ask an orthopedic surgeon who he would see, this surgeons name always came up. And whether I am nuring or waitressing, I make my money on my feet. I didnt want to risk it.

Now, to see my PCP, if I am sick, its that day. They will find a slot for me. If its just a check up, its typically a month. But only because I see group practice with residents (its cheaper, even though I do see my primary care physician each visit) and the residents are only in one week a month at the location I prefer. However, his nursing is always available. And If I call with med issues, I can contact the pharmacist in the office who can help me with med changes.

So, really, I dont lose out on care at all.

A major problem we have in the US is number of physicians. Which is limited by Congress at this point through the residency programs, paid for mostly by Medicare. We could have far more, both US trained and foreign, if those residency programs would just open up.



GotSteel -> RE: Did the GOP really understand the last election? (3/16/2013 9:36:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
So you would rather pay for the costs of carrying, delivering and raising a child that supporting birth control.. which is by far the cheaper option for your wallet. Which tells me its not about cost for you at all.


It is sad how many people who claim to be fiscally conservative really aren't.



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