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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 12:06:59 PM

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Out of curiosity, which more right-leaning media source do you think I ought to be reading?

Take your pick, and sample them broadly. would be my suggestion. There is no one perfect source, and all them are complete asshats, at times. Here we have this huge interweb thingy, and people brag that they dismiss all except the ones that do nothing but reinforce their existing opinions. I have the WSJ app on my phone, right next to the Washington Post and BBC, and if you want an easy resource for conservative opinion, download the RealClearPolitics app.

Media bias is rarely a planned and concerted effort (though those do occur - Google up, "journolist). It's mostly a consequence of groupthink, and a lack of intellectual diversity in the newsrooms and editorial boards. The opinions and attitudes of the people who put the news out reflect in what stories they choose to cover, and how they report on them.

Here, CNN has chosen to leave out a detail that did appear in the AP (I think - it was in my local paper) version. Why? My suspicion is that CNN wanted to paint a clear, black and white sort of picture that fit neatly into the frame of how they view the world, and present it to their consumers. He is a victim. Anything that might alter that vision of him needs to swept aside. It has become pervasive in our discourse. The victims must be all good, the perpetrators must be all bad.

I think there should have been criminal prosecutions over what happened to this guy. He was arrested, and locked up in hole for damn near two years, without a trial. If it is going to be a discussion though, then it is fair to acknowledge that this guy had a criminal history when they brought him into the jail.

That seems to be more than some can wrap their heads around.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 12:30:21 PM

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WTF does that matter if he was mistreated under the law ?

It doesnt, incase you get stuck for an answer.

Then the claim that he is has some sort of mental illness isn't relevant either, Polite, yet there it is in the CNN report.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 12:52:53 PM

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Of course it does when the confinement actually made it worse... a confinement illegally brought about by the legal entity involved.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 5:12:18 PM

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Of course it does when the confinement actually made it worse... a confinement illegally brought about by the legal entity involved.

Saved me a post Tazzy.......kissy kissy.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 5:16:22 PM

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lol... And apparently pissed Rich off enough to send me a very nasty cmail

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 5:55:33 PM

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The article described him as mentally ill, Polite. If that played a role in him being placed in solitary, then so did his criminal history.

If anybody wants to spin this around to the horrors of solitary confinement, I'll agree that it is cruel and unusual, and argue that anybody who needs it on a prolonged basis because they are simply that violent, should probably either be executed, or shipped over to the thorazine ward anyway.

There is a lot more to this story. Decisions were made. Paperwork must surely have been, "lost." Guards either didn't care, didn't have the information they needed to do their jobs properly, or participated in a culture where this sort of thing was acceptable. Every step needed to be examined, blame needed to be specifically assigned, and the responsible parties needed to face justice.

But he got his lotto payday, so now the desire is to smugly say, victim good, police baa-ad, and attack any look at the real facts.

Yeah. That's helpful.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 6:20:04 PM

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Did he have the mental ilness before his criminal record? What is his mental history?
How far would you like to go back? according to one "report" he is now living in an institution...
Another failure of the mental health (not just a US problem) system, using the jail system to mop up. Both need a huge shake up.
Is he able to leave the institution if he is "so sick", he at least can afford his medical care...

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 6:38:01 PM

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Is he able to leave the institution if he is "so sick", he at least can afford his medical care...

He can afford it on a beach, Lucy. My concern is that the public employees who did this to him will be able to go visit the same beach, when they retire with their pensions intact.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 7:47:46 PM

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I think the civil suit should have followed criminial prosecutions.

that takes indictments from our honest joe system.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 7:50:32 PM

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But he got his lotto payday, so now the desire is to smugly say, victim good, police baa-ad, and attack any look at the real facts.

Yeah. That's helpful.

yeh it sets a nice precedent to clean up this commercial prison system we have doesnt it :)

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 7:52:14 PM

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In addition to the $22 million, IMO a few jail officials should each now do 22 months in solitary confinement - just to teach them a lesson. It would be educational for them.

He should certainly receive compensation, and I absolutely agree that the perpretrators of these kinds of gross injustices should face charges. But I'm not so sanguine about this business of running a victimization lottery with multi-million dollar payouts to the "winners". The only people who end up being punished by these awards are the taxpayers.

K.

Then the Taxpayers better wise up.

BINGO!

It only takes a few of those per community to put them in a world of fucking hurt, the system is fucking broke, it was designed broke.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 8:16:32 PM

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In addition to the $22 million, IMO a few jail officials should each now do 22 months in solitary confinement - just to teach them a lesson. It would be educational for them.

He should certainly receive compensation, and I absolutely agree that the perpretrators of these kinds of gross injustices should face charges. But I'm not so sanguine about this business of running a victimization lottery with multi-million dollar payouts to the "winners". The only people who end up being punished by these awards are the taxpayers.

K.

So how much would you suggest being locked up with no trial for two years is worth ?

Because ill tell you something NOTHING monetary wise can make up the time he lost from his life.

What's even worse is, he won't be able to enjoy that money.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/9/2013 8:25:03 PM

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The only one who will benefit from his award is the one he wills his money to. I feel so sorry for that man. To go through what he did and finally get compensated only to find out he's terminally ill (lung cancer).

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/10/2013 6:36:42 AM

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Is he able to leave the institution if he is "so sick", he at least can afford his medical care...

He can afford it on a beach, Lucy. My concern is that the public employees who did this to him will be able to go visit the same beach, when they retire with their pensions intact.

Now Im going to call you to the same standard you "expect" Rich.... why did you ignore my first questions?
Shouldnt people have the whole story?? or just the CSMs detail of his crim record?
Isnt that reducing him to a crim, who got what he deserved, karma, ?? Reducing him to undeserving? No?
But the people who did this to him, dont even get a slap on the wrist. The buck falls to the people in the community, financially.
THe system gets away with it again.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/10/2013 9:12:16 AM

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why did you ignore my first questions?
Shouldnt people have the whole story?? or just the CSMs detail of his crim record?
Isnt that reducing him to a crim, who got what he deserved, karma, ?? Reducing him to undeserving? No?
But the people who did this to him, dont even get a slap on the wrist. The buck falls to the people in the community, financially.
THe system gets away with it again.

The questions looked pretty rhetorical to me, Lucy, and we are on much of the same page with this subject, even if you have been having trouble grasping that from the beginning. We have exactly the same gripes about the outcome.

If you want the whole story, why are you getting up in arms over me pointing out that CNN chose to provide a simplistic one?

Here is the snip from the AP version I read, that didn't make the cut in papers that like a simple story, or sources Google will pop right up for us;

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Attorney Matthew Coyte said his client ended up in solitary confinement after someone noted he was suicidal. He was so neglected, Coyte said, he was left in his cell for months at a time, had untreated dental problems and toenails that grew so long they curled under his feet.

The county defended its operation of the jail following the initial $22 million judgment in January 2012. It argued that Slevin was offered a chance to join the general jail population, but declined and the only option was to place him in one of the jail's segregation cells.

The county had also said that Slevin's criminal history at the time of his arrest included out-of-state convictions for robberies, burglaries, drunken driving, receiving stolen property, firearms violations and, possession of drugs.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/030613SolitaryConfinement-Settlement1stLd-Writethru

Want to fix the root problem? Want to make sure it doesn't happen again? Then start from the facts.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/10/2013 9:41:09 AM

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Isnt that reducing him to a crim, who got what he deserved, karma, ?? Reducing him to undeserving? No?

Now this little bit right here, Lucy, I do have a problem with. It's as if you want the sanitized version, lest anyone actually think and reflect, instead of just leaping immediately to the "correct," response.

Do want a media where the news is nothing but bedtime stories?

You say you want the facts, but the impression you are giving is that you only want the facts that fit your prejudices, and anyone stepping beyond those must be baa-ad.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/10/2013 10:30:55 AM

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The man went through hell, finally got just compensation, only to find out he can't even enjoy it because he's dying of cancer. Yet instead of an outpouring of sympathy, people are complaining about the taxpayers. It seems like more and more people every day are incapable of feeling sympathy.

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/10/2013 10:47:25 AM

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Attorney Matthew Coyte said his client ended up in solitary confinement after someone noted he was suicidal. He was so neglected, Coyte said, he was left in his cell for months at a time, had untreated dental problems and toenails that grew so long they curled under his feet.

The county defended its operation of the jail following the initial $22 million judgment in January 2012. It argued that Slevin was offered a chance to join the general jail population, but declined and the only option was to place him in one of the jail's segregation cells.

The county had also said that Slevin's criminal history at the time of his arrest included out-of-state convictions for robberies, burglaries, drunken driving, receiving stolen property, firearms violations and, possession of drugs.

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/030613SolitaryConfinement-Settlement1stLd-Writethru

Want to fix the root problem? Want to make sure it doesn't happen again? Then start from the facts.

How does his record change the facts of the case for you?

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/10/2013 10:48:36 AM

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I'm not sure why you are so hung up on the cancer diagnosis, DFB. Are you thinking radon exposure in the cell or something?

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RE: "Ooops! We locked him up - and forgot about hi... - 3/10/2013 10:59:50 AM

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The defendants also said Slevin waited too late to file his suit, and that as government employees, county officials deserved immunity from liability, believing they acted in good faith as to Slevin's treatment in custody.

I couldn't believe they said that. It reminded me of the Marine wife here in San Diego that was convicted of poisoning her husband. She lost everything. Her kids, her money, her home....and it came out on the re-trial that the liver sample that had been the lynch pin of the conviction had been contaminated by the CSI lab.

She was released after two plus years. Bonnie Dumanis said, "She shouldn't be upset. Due process has been served." Like it's nothing to have everything taken away from them along with years of their life.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/01/prosecution-of-sommer-is-subject-of-suit/

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