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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There seems to be some arguement on the cause and effort of laws on guns, Australia passes a gun control law restricting the ownership of firearms, the rate of violent crime goes up. Well let Us look at the State of Louisiana, one of the most liberal gun law states, very little on restrictions, it is also has one of highest rate of homicide. Now that is cause and effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/most-least-safe-states-america-756544

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Focus50

Your latest effort of summarising shit that never happened is beyond mere gold.

Oh dear, this is sad.

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You have from the start favorably contrasted Australia's approach to guns to the one we have in America. But aside from Australia's onerous restrictions on what kinds of guns its citizens are allowed to possess, the major difference is that Australia does not accept self-defense as a legitimate reason for issuing a license to purchase or carry a firearm. Accordingly, arguing in favor of Australia's approach to guns is inherently an argument against defensive carry.

Whoa, hang on a sec...! This looks suspiciously like an attempt to discuss - and by reason and rationale. Hmmm.... You're Kirata? There is the usual unjustified smug, though not so much in this particular paragraph.... Smellin' an ambush, but....

Ya know what; kudos (yes, the sincere variety rather than the usual deserved raspberry)

What you've done is make a reasonable assessment (dunno about "onerous" restrictions but that can slide) but your conclusion is flawed.

Kirata:
"Accordingly, arguing in favor of Australia's approach to guns is inherently an argument against defensive carry."

Not for the first time, you're only addressing half an equation. A need for "defensive carry". Your 2nd amendment enables both sides (offender/defender) to carry, hence you feel the need to arm yourselves to feel safe. And so the gun culture only escalates there. Not so, here.

Here you need a valid reason to obtain a shooter's licence. And you're right, personal or home defense ain't it. Very few would-be offenders risk being caught with a firearm because of the greater consequences or simply because firearms are harder to obtain, esp handguns. They're mostly the preference of the hardcore criminal variety. And if the offenders (generally) aren't carrying...?

There, I've taken you seriously on a point. On form, this is where you piss it away in a torrent of smug. In which case, normal programming has been great entertainment at my end....

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
This is a blatant attempt to insinuate and/or contrive a connection between 'gun bans' (sic) and rape and assault.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There seems to be some arguement on the cause and effort of laws on guns, Australia passes a gun control law restricting the ownership of firearms, the rate of violent crime goes up. Well let Us look at the State of Louisiana, one of the most liberal gun law states, very little on restrictions, it is also has one of highest rate of homicide. Now that is cause and effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/most-least-safe-states-america-756544

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Louisiana, murder rate 9.6/ 100,000

The District of Columbia has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and the murder rate = 21.8/100,000

Are you still going to claim cause and effect?

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
There seems to be some arguement on the cause and effort of laws on guns, Australia passes a gun control law restricting the ownership of firearms, the rate of violent crime goes up. Well let Us look at the State of Louisiana, one of the most liberal gun law states, very little on restrictions, it is also has one of highest rate of homicide. Now that is cause and effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/most-least-safe-states-america-756544

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There seems to be some arguement on the cause and effort of laws on guns, Australia passes a gun control law restricting the ownership of firearms, the rate of violent crime goes up. Well let Us look at the State of Louisiana, one of the most liberal gun law states, very little on restrictions, it is also has one of highest rate of homicide. Now that is cause and effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/most-least-safe-states-america-756544

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Louisiana, murder rate 9.6/ 100,000

The District of Columbia has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and the murder rate = 21.8/100,000

Are you still going to claim cause and effect?

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There seems to be some arguement on the cause and effort of laws on guns, Australia passes a gun control law restricting the ownership of firearms, the rate of violent crime goes up. Well let Us look at the State of Louisiana, one of the most liberal gun law states, very little on restrictions, it is also has one of highest rate of homicide. Now that is cause and effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/most-least-safe-states-america-756544

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Louisiana, murder rate 9.6/ 100,000

The District of Columbia has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and the murder rate = 21.8/100,000

Are you still going to claim cause and effect?

District of Columbia 10,065 inhabitants per square mile

Louisiana 105.0 inhabitants per square mile

Dont suppose that would make any difference would it? The old apples and oranges comparisomes at work again

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There seems to be some arguement on the cause and effort of laws on guns, Australia passes a gun control law restricting the ownership of firearms, the rate of violent crime goes up. Well let Us look at the State of Louisiana, one of the most liberal gun law states, very little on restrictions, it is also has one of highest rate of homicide. Now that is cause and effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/most-least-safe-states-america-756544

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Louisiana, murder rate 9.6/ 100,000

The District of Columbia has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and the murder rate = 21.8/100,000

Are you still going to claim cause and effect?

District of Columbia 10,065 inhabitants per square mile

Louisiana 105.0 inhabitants per square mile

Dont suppose that would make any difference would it? The old apples and oranges comparisomes at work again

That's what I was pointing out. His assertion of weak laws as THE cause of more murders was incorrect. There are other factors in play.

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And of course not it said the government could enfringe your right to buy one it said nothing about the government buying it for you. It is a right not an entitlement.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


So in states with restrictive gun laws their death are proof the laws don't work, but in states where there are liberal or no gun laws you don't care. Well you must be really happy with Texas, 1,245 murders of those 805 killed by guns. That would be 3.2 per 100,000

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Bloomberg compared New York’s murder rate — the lowest rate per 100,000 residents amongst the 25 most populated cities — to other famous cities in the country.

If the city had the murder rate of Chicago, cops would be investigating more than 1,400 homicides this year, Bloomberg said. If the city had Detroit’s murder rate, cops would be called to more than 4,400 killings this year, he added.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said that the drop in murders and shootings stem from a wide range of strategies that include deploying more officers in crime-ridden areas and the controversial stop-and-frisk tactic.

“We’re taking 8,000 weapons annually out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal guns,” Kelly said.

Guns are the leading cause of murders in the city this year, killing 237 people.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/murders-fall-record-city-article-1.1229273#ixzz2NcnEHmDJ

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With over 60,000 automobile related deaths each year.. over 20,000 of those CRIMINAL..

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ORIGINAL: trishahood

Well for me, gun control is a non issue if people are looking for ways to improve public safety. My personal feeling is that guns should be off limits until you get a handle on automobile related deaths. With over 60,000 automobile related deaths each year.. over 20,000 of those CRIMINAL.. it seems that going after 12K Homicides a year by gun.. a percentage of that 12K JUSTIFIABLE homicide.. you are barking up the wrong tree.
Insert screaming goat here.

It's just a bunch of noise to make people fearful so they will give up the guns. The government is spending us into oblivion and sees a Greece style crash coming. The last thing any of them want when it finally does come down.. is an armed public. So we are now talking about gun control and the use of armed drones on US soil. So no.. guns.. are a non issue. Let your representatives know that... or vote them out.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There seems to be some arguement on the cause and effort of laws on guns, Australia passes a gun control law restricting the ownership of firearms, the rate of violent crime goes up. Well let Us look at the State of Louisiana, one of the most liberal gun law states, very little on restrictions, it is also has one of highest rate of homicide. Now that is cause and effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/most-least-safe-states-america-756544

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Louisiana, murder rate 9.6/ 100,000

The District of Columbia has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and the murder rate = 21.8/100,000

Are you still going to claim cause and effect?

Yep by your link District of Columbia in 2010 had 131 murders 99 were murder by gun. Louisina had 437 murders 351 of those murders were by gun. By the way some of those strict laws of Washington DC were overturned in court in 2008.