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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/6/2013 4:40:57 AM

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Any real slave would eat real dog food on all fours, from a a dog bowl if told to.

Awwww...guess I'm not a real slave then

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/6/2013 8:49:22 AM

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My point is that I'm not seeing how any of this reduces the slave's focus on him/herself. It's an additional chore - as now some thought, planning and prep needs to go into the slave's feed in addition to meal planning and preparation for the owner. I'm not necessarily knocking the idea, just saying it's adding work, rather than eliminating it.

It doesn't add extra work. It takes less than 20 minutes to prepare 12 meals, with most of that time being cook time, which can be done simultaneously to cooking the owner's meal.

Doubling up the meal made for the owner adds prep time and sometimes cook time, for every single meal which, unless the owner is only eating microwave tv dinners, far exceeds the time prepping a separate meal for the slave in bulk. Depending on the meal in question, just cleaning and prepping vegetables for a single person for a single meal can take about as long as preparing a batch of bulk slave feed for a couple of days.

We must prepare food differently.

When I cook for us (whether it's just him, he and I, him, his daughter and I, etc.), it takes no added time at all. A chicken bakes just the same. So does a roast. Pasta cooks the same. I'm still heating the oven just as long to broil a steak. I always cook for 3-4 anyway, because he likes having tasty leftovers for lunch. So whether or not I serve up a small plate for myself, no additional time is needed except for the time it takes to pull the plate from the cupboard. I assure you, he does not eat microwaved dinners.

So now in addition to that, I'd also be putting some time aside, probably on a Saturday or Sunday, to make the slave gruel. Several versions of it, to add that variety we spoke of.

Again, we must cook differently, since it's usually 30-40 minutes to prepare, cook and serve dinner here, unless we're roasting or stewing something, which is considerably longer. No right or wrong in the time difference, we're just different.

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I do agree with you that a monotone diet is not something anybody should be on for long periods of time, and that trying to figure a diet like this to have a slave on indefinitely would be a bad idea. The only way I'd even consider attempting that is if the diet in question is cleared by a doctor and a nutritional expert. However, for short, to medium long terms (I'm thinking up to a month or two) a monotone diet shouldn't be an issue, providing it's somewhat nutritionally balanced. People trying to lose weight diet on all kinds of crazy diets for longer than that, mostly without any ill effects.

As someone with food/eating issues, I was advised years ago by my doctors to always try to eat something different every day. The body tends to crave foods its allergic to, and then builds up resistances for those allergies by compensating in other ways. With me it was headaches, confusion and slight mood changes. It was interesting to take away certain foods for an entire year, bring them back into my system slowly - one at a time - and see what happened. Who knew yeast made both my arms completely break out in rashes? My body was compensating for this and causing confusion and mood swings in my head instead. So now, if I've removed yeast from my diet, and I only have it here and there, I get a rash, rather than confusion and irritability.

Obviously eating something different every day can be challenging, especially for those who go to work 40+ hours a week. But eating the same thing even for 30 days can potentially cause issues in a person that they're not even aware of. I wouldn't say it's necessarily harmful, but it's not the healthiest idea, and one I'd have to avoid.

So in the case of the OP, I'd have 3-4 options in the freezer that I could rotate through.

But even in the case of one option, it's still an extra chunk of cooking/prep time - large or small - that I would not otherwise have if I were just serving up a small plate from what I cooked for the Mister. And that's the point I was making. The OP was looking for no added time thinking/prepping for the slave's food and in my household, it would create added time, rather than remove it.

Again, we all do things differently. That's what it would look like over here.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/6/2013 2:44:33 PM

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Thanks Ishtar, that was an interesting read.

I was wondering... You know how some women
longing for, or identifying with submissiveness or
slavery may sometimes tie themselves up, self
confine, sit/ sleep on the floor or whatever else...

I was wondering, if it's not too personal a
question, do you think in the past you have used
dietary measures like slave gruel in a similar way?

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/6/2013 4:36:26 PM

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Nope, I haven't.

I did test and perfect the recipe on myself, but I've never been on it for any length of time, and never out of submissive motivation.

When I first conceived of the recipe, it was from the motivation of having a Dominant man who, at the time was interested, potentially use it on me, but that never went through, and I never had an interest of self-enforcing it... when I self-enfoce diets they tend to be MUCH lower in calories than that one.

It's a good question though, and could have happened, considering that I've got a solid 15 year long block in my past of not sleeping a single night without some form of self-bondage.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/6/2013 5:29:47 PM

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1ea 10lb bag of chicken
10 cups of cooked brown Rice
1 16oz frozen or fresh of each carrots, peas, green beans, bell peppers
1 onion
2 tbl spoons of garlic

Boil chicken debone set aside broth , cook veggies with onion till tender,
In a large bowl mix Rice chicken veggies garlic add 3 cups to 6cups of chicken broth salt pepper to taste.
This can be frozen in serving size containers for up to about 4 months.

I don't eat rice, because I eat a reduced carb diet due to health issues. Carrots are somewhat high in carbs, so I rarely eat those. Peas are disgusting and I'm allergic to onion.

The point of my statement is that one size does not fit all.

Not too mention how much room all those serving size containers would take up in the freezer.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/9/2013 7:12:48 PM

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I couldn't use Ishtarr's recipe. Protein powder contains either soy or milk. I can't tolerate either.

More importantly, this wouldn't reduce my focus on myself, it would increase it. I would skip meals because I couldn't force myself to eat this. Thus worsening my health, not improving it. But I'd spend more time thinking about food I wanted to eat, and being upset that he cared so little for me that it didn't matter to him if I was miserable all the time. Thus lessening my desire to please him.

I don't subscribe to the notion that you're not a real sub unless you're miserable all the time. Others do enjoy that and more power to them.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/9/2013 7:26:21 PM

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I don't subscribe to the notion that you're not a real sub unless you're miserable all the time. Others do enjoy that and more power to them.

I'm with you.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/9/2013 7:54:58 PM

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like someone down below suggested, I say try any liquid diet plan. Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers, ect all have some overly sweet, overly creamy, caloric crap infused with vitamins. Toss in a can of beef stew for one of those meals to add some bulk.

I can't address Nutrisystem or any other plan, but I am a Weight Watchers member, and a pretty successful one at that since I've lost 40 lbs. as of last Wednesday. Weight Watchers leaders, or at least the ones I deal with, actively steer you away from the boxed meals and into preparing your own food according to plan. If anything, you're instructed to bulk up meals with vegetables. Basically, Weight Watchers assigns all foods a point value (based on a combination of fat, carbs, fiber, and protein) and then determines the number of points you can consume, based on your height and weight. Exercise can add points, which is good because that actually means you can eat more. In fact, they even tell you that you should eat any "Activity Points" up to 4 a day. It works like this: I get 32 points I can eat per day. But, if I go to my tai chi class, that gives me 3 activity points I can also eat, so I actually can eat 35 points for that day. Finally you also get 49 extra points every week that you can use any way you want. So, if you don't exercise, you still have an extra 7 points per day that you can go "over" your daily allowance and still be on plan and lost weight. Or you can blow the entire 49 in one day like I usually do when I go out to a munch or play party.

Sorry about the lengthy explanation, but I am very pleased with the program and the results. I haven't been under 180 lbs in almost 20 years and now I'm almost back to the 150 I was when I served in the USAF.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/9/2013 9:35:16 PM

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FelineRanger, congratulations on your loss of 40!! I'm also a long time WW member and concur with everything you've said about it. Most of my meals are home made, and (if I may say so myself) tasty enough that the Mister enjoys them and has come to insist on them.

I do understand Jenny Craig and Nutrisystem have you buy their frozen/prepared (and really expensive!) meals, but WW is not like that at all.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/9/2013 10:12:29 PM

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I couldn't use Ishtarr's recipe. Protein powder contains either soy or milk. I can't tolerate either.
More importantly, this wouldn't reduce my focus on myself, it would increase it. I would skip meals because I couldn't force myself to eat this. Thus worsening my health, not improving it. But I'd spend more time thinking about food I wanted to eat, and being upset that he cared so little for me that it didn't matter to him if I was miserable all the time. Thus lessening my desire to please him.

I agree with that. I would never use it with the objective that somebody would spend less time on themselves during their time on this. In fact, quite the contrary... In the scenarios I use this it'd basically would be all about the s-type.

It'd basically be an elaborate role play simulating the IDEA of what extreme slavery is about for sexual purposes. Which is also why I'd never use it long term.

Considering how adverse most people on this board are to role play, I'm not surprised how little grokking the is around the practice application of a recipe such as that.

Skipping meals would be out of the question though... There wouldn't be a way for that to happen.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/10/2013 8:36:45 AM

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If you can't force yourself to swallow it, then how can you not skip meals? Punishing me wouldn't make me trust him and want to please him and focus on him more.

As far as adding beef stew to Ensure? There's no fiber in that. I'd be in the gastroenterologist's office inside of a week with a bad attack of IBS from that. And screaming in pain wouldn't help me focus on him.

Besides, too many women have eating disorders for doing something like this not to kick it off again.

But we've been focusing on the how to of this and not on why this wouldn't get the op the results he wants.

He wants her to focus on him and his needs? Then hers need to be fulfilled first so she isn't distracted by them.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/10/2013 9:32:25 AM

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If you can't force yourself to swallow it, then how can you not skip meals?

A mush or liquid option as is suggested would be quite easy to forcefeed someone...and if the objective here were roleplay rather than time saving could enhance the scenario.

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But we've been focusing on the how to of this and not on why this wouldn't get the op the results he wants.

He wants her to focus on him and his needs? Then hers need to be fulfilled first so she isn't distracted by them.

This can be historically verified by how all ascetics are self-centered people that spend most of their time contemplating things like steak dinners.

I think "needs" is being used rather loosely here. The theory is that the slop meets the slave's physical nutritional requirements. Even if we're talking about emotional needs, ideally the pleasure a slave gets from service is far greater than the pleasure it gets from a tasty meal.

I'd also like to mention that we may all be underestimating the OP. I include myself here as the theory I'm about to put forward is a stretch, but does add a layer of depth to this discussion.

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Something easy for slave to prepare in bulk batches so that most of slave's time and focus can be on serving its Owner, not on having to think about feeding itself.

Perhaps the intent is not to save food prep time, but rather to limit distractions and increase mental focus by producing something uniform and either flavorless or bad tasting. Reduce the actions of preparing and eating food to an automatic process not requiring thought even when carried out. Table scraps would tend to fill the function better if we assume an outwardly normal life in a western fashion. In the context of an indoctrination program or a more eastern patterned lifestyle something of the sort could be useful.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/10/2013 11:41:40 AM

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If you can't force yourself to swallow it, then how can you not skip meals? Punishing me wouldn't make me trust him and want to please him and focus on him more.

Like unsafenonconsent mentionsm, force feeding this wouldn't be that hard, because of its consistency. Aside from that it would obviously be blatant disobedient, requiring punishment by itself.

Though in terms of making them eat I'd probably go the route of putting the cattle prod on somebody refusing to swallow it, until they do. That could of course get into a situation of them ending up vomiting from the stress eventually, but that's perfectly alright with me considering the context, and would be the trigger to switch to force-feeding. I have a funnel gag which would basically make it an issue of: "swallow if you want to breath" that would be loads of fun in it's own right. I may actually have to figure out a way to make it lots less appetizing (taking it from bland tasting to downright nasty) to play around with that idea.

Of course, such a thing would make you not trust your owner, or please, or focus on him... but then again, I've mentioned several times that the context in which I would use this isn't anything close to what your relationship structure is.

I also know from personal experience -though not on the diet I mentioned- that when somebody long term has complete control over your feed intake, restricting access to treats, flavors, and things you find especially appealing, they can create an almost dog-like focus on those kinds of food, as if they where treats. Of course, again, whether that would work or not would depend on the person in question, what the relationship goals are, and how the dynamic works.

At no point in time have I even implied that somebody like you should be on this kind of diet, nor have I suggested that it would have the same effect on everybody when used on them.

I wouldn't suggest that even half the stuff I do in my relationships would work for you Des. I'm, for example, counting on the fact that if your owner would tie you up and beat you to the point where you're passed the point of begging him to stop, and into a catatonic state where you can't even cry anymore, it wouldn't work very well for you either... but see... stuff like that is pretty central in the way I play. Do you think that maybe it's possible that, when considering the difference in our relationships there, there may also be a difference in reaction to putting somebody/being put by somebody on a diet like this than from what you would experience?

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/10/2013 1:35:48 PM

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Though in terms of making them eat I'd probably go the route of putting the cattle prod on somebody refusing to swallow it, until they do. That could of course get into a situation of them ending up vomiting from the stress eventually, but that's perfectly alright with me considering the context, and would be the trigger to switch to force-feeding. I have a funnel gag which would basically make it an issue of: "swallow if you want to breath" that would be loads of fun in it's own right. I may actually have to figure out a way to make it lots less appetizing (taking it from bland tasting to downright nasty) to play around with that idea.

Which could also trigger something else mentally, thus ending the dynamic and possibly getting him arrested for assault. You can't play with your toys if you break them.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/10/2013 1:44:52 PM

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Though in terms of making them eat I'd probably go the route of putting the cattle prod on somebody refusing to swallow it, until they do. That could of course get into a situation of them ending up vomiting from the stress eventually, but that's perfectly alright with me considering the context, and would be the trigger to switch to force-feeding. I have a funnel gag which would basically make it an issue of: "swallow if you want to breath" that would be loads of fun in it's own right. I may actually have to figure out a way to make it lots less appetizing (taking it from bland tasting to downright nasty) to play around with that idea.

Which could also trigger something else mentally, thus ending the dynamic and possibly getting him arrested for assault. You can't play with your toys if you break them.

Yeah when you non-consensually do stuff to people you may get arested, whether the thing you're doing is the above or a light over the knee spanking.

Duh....

Where exactly did I imply that anything I ever do kink wise is non-consensually?

I'm assuming you're familiar with the concept of a safeword/guesture... right?

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/19/2013 7:58:41 AM

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Yes but not for extended periods only for a scene or two. If it's dog food you are looking to simulate then the recipe is as follows.
1. 1# of boneless Chicken or turkey breast. Boil it chop it up put it in a blender with some stock. Puree it smoooooth.
2. 1/2 cup Long grain rice cooked soft. Blend thoroughly
3. Any green vegetables (I use fresh) steamed or micro till soft but not over cooked blend thoroughly with more stock. If you use canned then skip cooking just blend.
4. Combine everything blend again till it is fully blended. If you want you can add spices or not.

if done correctly it will look gray and have the same consistency of dog food. It's safe for human consumption and is nutritional to boot. I used to feed my dogs with it but did much larger batches. The taste is best described as bland unless you add spices. I would not recommend long term use for obvious reasons. Now I feel like the martha stewart of BDSM LOL. NOT!!

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/21/2013 12:42:02 AM

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Apparently you can live forever on potatoes and salted butter. Hence the vital potato being a staple... it was important for a reason. I'm pretty sure you could just chuck some cooked potatoes, meat, veggies into a blender, freeze it into lumps.

I just feel like I need to butt in and say that people are surviving on things like Ensure in hospitals, ramen and frozen veggies in college, canned goods, pizza pops and Diet Pepsi out of laziness... balanced meals are great, I love cooking and making awesome food but obviously people are living on subpar food and not dying. Wanting to eat different things every day? Great, but I didn't die when we were living on fish sticks and fries. Wasn't healthy, but wasn't dead.

I'm pretty much positive a few weeks of that slave gruel recipe won't kill anyone. Or a few weeks of potatoes, Ensure, whatever. If that's your kink, cool. If my coworkers can sustain themselves on pizza pops and not keel over I'm sure a slave gruel or mash made out of healthy ingredients and frozen/bagged and boiled/whatever will probably actually be superior to that.

If the appearance/texture isn't important, though, but rather the strict lack of effort in food preparation, maybe TV dinners are the way to go. Or Chinese takeout.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/23/2013 10:56:25 PM

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The best slave chow,is eating the mistress`s pussy,preferably while on her period,her sitting her bare butt down on my face,giveing her the pleasure she wants.If annother guy fucked her,would be my duty to eat her clean.

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RE: Recipes for slave feed? - 4/24/2013 7:17:59 PM

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I wouldn't suggest that even half the stuff I do in my relationships would work for you Des. I'm, for example, counting on the fact that if your owner would tie you up and beat you to the point where you're passed the point of begging him to stop, and into a catatonic state where you can't even cry anymore, it wouldn't work very well for you either... but see... stuff like that is pretty central in the way I play. Do you think that maybe it's possible that, when considering the difference in our relationships there, there may also be a difference in reaction to putting somebody/being put by somebody on a diet like this than from what you would experience?

I can see how it might work for you, but please realize that I can't talk about things from your perspective. Solely from my own. And my history of mood disorders is such that the way you play would not only end this relationship but also cause me to spend a couple of months in a psych hospital.

And again, eating disorders are so common that I wonder about something like this not causing them. Punishment does not cure illnesses, physical or mental.

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