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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 12:29:20 PM

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A baby is born, it can survive on its own but it is lacking a full skeleton, back bone mostly, this baby will never be ambulatory, walk or talk.

The doctors said, let it go, mom & dad said let it go, even the church said let it go. Grandma & grandpa said NO, we will adopt him. He is now a happy, thriving teenager, never walking or talking but loving school, nanny, grandpa and life. True story.

If a live infant is born and it can fully survive on its own and no matter what at that stage, we do everything we can to save that baby.

It immediately becomes a ward of the state and put up for adoption. Simple I think.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 12:31:40 PM

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now WHY dont you actually look at the FULL video???
WHY didnt you post the FULL ppece from the weakly standard...

Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, "What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”

"I do not have that information," Snow replied. "I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”

Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, "You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”

Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.

Goes on to say, she doesnt even know how prevalent it is, and that it should be between the patient and the health care provider....that she doesnt know what happens kinda shows that it doesnt happen very often.

Or even watch the ACTUAL video for fucks sake, no , gotta you make it look like shit on a stick
http://myfloridahouse.gov/VideoPlayer.aspx?eventID=2443575804_2013031292&committeeID=2719
check it out from oh around 35 to 56 minutes, Id hate for you to ACTUALLY get the full story of her full testimony., OR actually watch the fulthing
fuck this is a pathetic thread
try the part about the neutrality clause from 2002, where the infant born alive bill means given ALL care it is needed.
WATCH IT and learn something

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 12:33:53 PM

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It's irrelevant whether such has actually ever happened. It's the nature of what is being argued for, which the questioners most definitely understood.

I should hope they understood it. It is their fabrication. Legislation by hypothetical anecdote. Why not pass a law against abortions aboard alien space ships? Irrelevant that it never happened and never likely will occur.

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Note that the baby was found alive by a priest, not cared for by the abortionist.

I note that no date, location, nor "newspaper" source were cited. So, another bogus prolife horror story?

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 12:51:19 PM

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Do you understand what "viable" means? A "story" without legitimate documentation to back it up as fact is just that. I'm sure Tazzy will chime in soon with an explanation of the viability of a 22 week fetus.

As for the other video, the woman was talking about an abortion at SEVEN AND A HALF MONTHS. Exactly when was this? That certainly isn't legal in this day and age, since at that point, the fetus is completely viable.

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The youngest surving has been at 21.6 weeks. The woman lied to her doctors, so they did all the could BEFORE the delivery to ensure the optimum chances of survival after delivery. This would have included giving steroids to mature the lungs faster.

Keep in mind, that case was not a case of a botched abortion.

We are speaking of a very very few abortions where the ability to survive outside of the womb are even possible. Most abortions are done before the age of viability (see chart)

<9 weeks 61.3%
9-10 17.8%
11-12 9.6%
13-15 6.7%
16-20 3.5%
>21 1.1%

So, we are discussing the 1.1%.. From beneath the chart it says....

> 21 = 8365

There were instances of infants who were aborted live and tossed into bins, if I remember correctly. Again, very very few. Which is why this became a federal law.

Now, what should happen if an abortion goes wrong as a late term abortion? (After viability). Depends on federal law.

(b) As used in this section, the term ‘born alive’, with respect
to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete
expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member,
at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction
breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord,
or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether
the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the
expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced
labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-107hr2175enr/pdf/BILLS-107hr2175enr.pdf

This is the law signed in by Bush in 2002. Why this seems so complicated to any of the parties in that video, I have no clue. At this point, any and all measures should be employed to treat the infant.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 12:57:43 PM

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Actually, backing it up to the 20 minute mark might be more beneficial. The ER physician has a point.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 1:28:49 PM

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I didnt wanna overload his mind

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 1:33:36 PM

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I know. Its crazy how they all want to whine about these issues when they dont understand the issues they are whining about.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 1:55:44 PM

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now WHY dont you actually look at the FULL video???
WHY didnt you post the FULL ppece from the weakly standard...

Rep. Daniel Davis then asked Snow, "What happens in a situation where a baby is alive, breathing on a table, moving. What do your physicians do at that point?”

"I do not have that information," Snow replied. "I am not a physician, I am not an abortion provider. So I do not have that information.”

Rep. Jose Oliva followed up, asking the Planned Parenthood official, "You stated that a baby born alive on a table as a result of a botched abortion that that decision should be left to the doctor and the family. Is that what you’re saying?”

Again, Snow replied, “That decision should be between the patient and the health care provider.

Goes on to say, she doesnt even know how prevalent it is, and that it should be between the patient and the health care provider....that she doesnt know what happens kinda shows that it doesnt happen very often.

Or even watch the ACTUAL video for fucks sake, no , gotta you make it look like shit on a stick
http://myfloridahouse.gov/VideoPlayer.aspx?eventID=2443575804_2013031292&committeeID=2719
check it out from oh around 35 to 56 minutes, Id hate for you to ACTUALLY get the full story of her full testimony., OR actually watch the fulthing
fuck this is a pathetic thread
try the part about the neutrality clause from 2002, where the infant born alive bill means given ALL care it is needed.
WATCH IT and learn something

Thank you Lucy. this actually makes much more sense than the OP. and answers my questions...

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 1:58:57 PM

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You are more than welcome Breagha :)
Tazzy...Exactly!

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 1:59:33 PM

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I know. Its crazy how they all want to whine about these issues when they dont understand the issues they are whining about.

because there wouldn't be any unreasoned debate or whining if they actually knew anything.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 2:01:52 PM

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WHY didnt you post the FULL ppece from the weakly standard...

Against TOS. You should know that

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 2:07:37 PM

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But to quote it out of context is also against TOS (you should know that as well)

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 2:08:24 PM

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Bollocks and a pathetic attempt at an excuse, but not surprising.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 2:15:14 PM

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But to quote it out of context is also against TOS (you should know that as well)

LMFAO.

Did I? I think not!

REPORT ME if you have the stones for it.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 2:31:43 PM

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I dont need any stones to laugh at your asswipe. I could give a fuck less.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 2:36:57 PM

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FR,

All right, please take a deep breath before continuing to post (on topic.)

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 2:43:35 PM

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The topic as demonstrated in the OP is about posting disingenuous asswipe. I am on topic.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 6:23:06 PM

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~ FR ~

I have to agree with the sentiments expressed earlier in this thread that these kinds of faux concerns are just part of the ongoing war on women being conducted by dipshits and religious nuts. Does anything like this ever happen? Has anything like this ever happened? It's legislation by hypothetical, an insult to physicians, and an intrustion into the doctor patient relationship. There is absolutely no reason for this bullshit.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell, an abortionist now on trial in Philadelphia charged with seven counts of first-degree murder--he allegedly cut the spinal cords of late-term aborted babies who were born alive--apparently used to joke about the large size of some the infants he aborted and in one case, according to what a co-worker told the grand jury, said, "This baby is big enough to walk around with me or walk me to the bus stop." ~CNS News

Gosnell, 72, is accused of running a rogue clinic that ignored the state ban on third-term abortions and 24-hour waiting periods. Prosecutors say he also maimed desperate, often poor women and teens by letting his untrained staff perform abortions and give anesthesia. And they say he got rich doing it, by performing a high volume of substandard abortions. ~Daily News

Reid said she planned to tell Gosnell that she didn't want the abortion and was going to sneak out of the clinic. "When I said no, the doctor got upset and he ended up taking my clothes off, hitting me, my legs were tied to the stirrups," Reid said... She said that he repeatedly told her, "This is the same care that I would give to my own daughter." ~ ABC News

A medical assistant told a jury Tuesday that she snipped the spines of at least 10 babies during unorthodox abortions at a West Philadelphia clinic, at the direction of the clinic's owner. And she said Dr. Kermit Gosnell and another employee did the same to terminate pregnancies. Adrienne Moton's testimony came in the capital murder trial of Gosnell, who owned the clinic and is on trial in the deaths of a patient and seven babies. Prosecutors accuse him of killing late-term, viable babies after they were delivered alive, in violation of state abortion laws. ~Huffington Post

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 6:28:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

I was actually being a bit facetious when I wondered why the question was even posed....because once a real live little person is on that table (regardless of what led up to him/her getting there....I cannot imagine any moral person looking at that struggling, live human being and saying, "Oops, better kill him/her."

You do know that there is a trial going on right now in Pennsylvania about a doctor that is alleged to have done just that? More than once.

ETA: I had not gotten to Kirata's post yet.

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RE: Planned Parenthood... - 3/29/2013 6:29:55 PM

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You do know that there is a trial going on right now in Pennsylvania about a doctor that is alleged to have done just that? More than once.

But surely that couldn't have motivated the Florida legislature's questions. Every sensible persons knows perfectly well that those rednecks down in the GunShine state can't read.

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