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A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 2:24:58 PM   
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I am probably going to go to Hell for this, but while reading up on the Oklahoma twister story, I stumbled across this little gem. For one reason, and one reason alone I felt it worthy of being presented here.

If you want to help, send money. It's easier for everyone involved. Save your crap for the thrift stores or Craigslist....

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 2:45:39 PM   
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As I keep saying, Reality TV is reducing the average American's intelligence by a factor of 200 IQ points.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 3:33:31 PM   
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Interesting article. It makes me think of the time when a soldier overseas admitted that they didn't need any Girl Scout cookies because they had a whole warehouse full of them. (Or something like that.) Efforts could have been better spent.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 7:00:30 PM   
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Did anyone notice the idiotic comment about 'when did beggars become choosers?'. I guess those people in crisis were just being picky when they didn't want a truck load of sex toys and a tiger costume.

Seriously, what was going through people's heads to send sex toys? At least when people send a ton of useless clothing you can see why they might think they are being helpful.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 7:18:03 PM   
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Thanks for sharing that. I hope an article like that reminds folks not to send the useless stuff.


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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 7:31:15 PM   
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My only thoughts I can come up with why someone would send sex toys is that the person has sex on his/her mind 24/7 and therefore thinks everyone else does too, because their children died so they figured if these people have sex they can reproduce again or that having sex would take away their devastation and grief for awhile.

Yeah, all stupid reasons but so was sending the toys.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....I'm convinced people are idiots.


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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 9:04:24 PM   
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My only thoughts I can come up with why someone would send sex toys is that the person has sex on his/her mind 24/7 and therefore thinks everyone else does too, because their children died so they figured if these people have sex they can reproduce again or that having sex would take away their devastation and grief for awhile.

Yeah, all stupid reasons but so was sending the toys.

I've said it before and I'll say it again....I'm convinced people are idiots.



But it wasn't a couple, it was a TRUCK LOAD! I think it is kind of funny, even though people should know better. My first thought was that the sender figured since they lost their home and everything else, they would have nothing to do but masturbate.

The reality here is two fold. Actually more, someone else can keep count.

People send items as opposed to money because there has been so much in the media in recent years about those funds never reaching the victims. People figure if they send items, then no one is going to misappropriate them.

People also send things for a tax write off, especially those sending sex toys. These are in stock, for whatever reason, they can't sell them, so rather than dump them at a loss, they send them as a donation, and then can deduct the value from the business. Same with the tiger costume although obviously on a smaller scale.

But look at those who sent toys. Sure, they are not something that the victims need at that moment, but the sender figures the children have lost all theirs and by sending toys, the children will at least have something to play with (while their parents are playing with the sex toys).

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/22/2013 10:57:38 PM   
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"...A king-size mattress that weighed 200 pounds, a load of Spanish flags, a case of Viagra, and a carnival-style tiger costume. And a truckload full of sex toys..."

You have to admit, it would take their minds off the situation for a while. That's what I meant by going to Hell.

But I stand by my summation. Send cash. I did a project in Project Management that dealt with disaster relief agencies, and sorting through stuff like that eats up their operating expenses. And it ties up logistics resources better served with necessary materiel. Think of cash like blood. It carries value to any part of the body (the disaster relief effort)efficiently, making lots of things happen in different ways. Physical donations are like cholesterol, clogging up the lines of communication, collecting in warehouses, taking up expensive room on cargo planes, etc, etc. cash makes things happen faster than second-hand tiger costumes, to be sure.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 1:19:19 AM   
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I completely understand what you are saying about sending cash. But you also must admit that someone needs to find a very reputable charity to send that cash to. Many people instantly think of sending it to the Red Cross, but last few years (with all the seemingly endless disasters somewhere), I've heard nothing but how the victims barely got any cash assistance at all, and the monies raised seemed to be eaten up by "corporate expenses."

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 3:00:21 AM   
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I didn't think of people doing it for tax relief. Wow, way to cash in on someone else's suffering.

The toys I totally understand. Best intentions. In fact you can also imagine schools and youth groups doing toy drives with their children so that the children can contribute in a way they can understand.

The other benefit to sending cash of course, is that if the charities spend the money close to the disaster area, they can also help stimulate the local economies which can be shattered after these disasters.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 3:37:59 AM   
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There was an investigation-style program on the TV last year (UK) about several charities and cash donations.

The "corporate expenses" were absolutely horrendous!
I can't remember all the figures but one that stuck in my mind (only because they were running an Ad campaign at the time) was for Oxfam. They said that 98% of all the cash donations collected by their shops, the street tin-rattlers, and the various banks and financial outlets were gobbled up by corporate expenses, admin costs and logistics.
The program questioned the banks and other places where donations were paid and they were satisfied that those institutions waived all fees and processing costs involved in the disaster-fund payments.
So the 98% rip-off was the charity itself.

Oxfam were one of the better ones. Some of the other charities were much much worse.
I remember one where only 0.1% of the cash donations actually reached their target but for the life of me I can't remember the name of it.

People these days are very wary of making cash donations - even to popular and well-known charities.

Personally, I don't ever make any donations to anyone.


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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 3:44:38 AM   
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I do make donations as much as I am able. For the most part though it's very local small scale projects. I have learned never to fall for the 'text DONATE to this number to donate £3' even if it's a reputable charity. I learned the hard way that what you're actually paying for is for a marketing company to then contact you (incessantly) to try and get you to sign up for a monthly donation. I'm not in a position to sign up for a regular donation, so the charity received zero benefit from my donation, I just paid for my own harassment. The £3 would have done much better given to the scouts bagging groceries at ASDA.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 8:13:46 AM   
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I was going to add this last night (this morning?). As part of my project, I had to include a workup of how my group's charity would rate according to the standards of this site: Chartites Review Council. It's about the closest thing to a standards organization you're going to get.

It makes me both sad and mad that before the rubble had settled, there were people setting up fake relief funds online. I hope those folks down there get the help and healing they need. And that no one shows up with a truckload of sex toys.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 8:27:36 AM   
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Seriously, what was going through people's heads to send sex toys? At least when people send a ton of useless clothing you can see why they might think they are being helpful.


Tax deductions.

If you're a company owner stuck with a truckload full off unsellable junk, and you donate it, not only do you now not have to pay to get ride of it (the aid organization will have to figure that out for you) you can also deduct their price at full value as a charitable donation, whereas otherwise you'd have taken nothing but a pure loss.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 2:11:41 PM   
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For that reason alone, there should be some kind of legislation to prevent this from happening. Yeah, I know, another set of laws to ignore or skirt, but when you consider the costs of providing aid to disaster victims, and business owners taking advantage of someone else's misery, I get mad. And that's not a good thing.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 5:27:40 PM   
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I am probably going to go to Hell for this, but while reading up on the Oklahoma twister story, I stumbled across this little gem. For one reason, and one reason alone I felt it worthy of being presented here.

If you want to help, send money. It's easier for everyone involved. Save your crap for the thrift stores or Craigslist....


Hey....chics caught up in this kind of thing need to get off too.

And where are all the guys?

Fixing shit, rebuilding shit....a truckload of vibrators makes perfect sense to me....keeps Mama happy till the boys come home.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 5:49:34 PM   
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For that reason alone, there should be some kind of legislation to prevent this from happening. Yeah, I know, another set of laws to ignore or skirt, but when you consider the costs of providing aid to disaster victims, and business owners taking advantage of someone else's misery, I get mad. And that's not a good thing.


What kind of law? One that says you can only donate what WE say you can donate? Or that certain industries can't donate? Perhaps a list of what can't be donated? Of course, then everyone would have to agree on a list and no list would be good for every disaster.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 8:32:12 PM   
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True, but something to prevent assholes from taking advantage of these events to save/make money by sending useless shit.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/23/2013 9:58:55 PM   
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Ok, the sex toys were obviously for nothing more than a write off. But the winter coats? Stupidity, of course but still not done purely for the write off.

The reality is that EVERYONE who donates, whether it be cash or goods, should be taking the available tax write off for it. Not because you are greedy, but because you are entitled to it, and have every right to do what you can to lower your tax payment. The rich certainly don't hesitate, why should everyone else?

One thing that might help is for these organizations to say what they need when they make announcements asking for donations.

"Please donate. If you don't want to donate cash, we need, water, non-perishable food, blankets, etc."

Perhaps that would be a better way to help things.

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RE: A Silver Lining? - 5/24/2013 12:35:58 AM   
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Forgive my ignorance, I know nothing about the US tax system, but is there anything in place where the charity has to sign something to confirm they accepted the donation?

Because I'm wondering why somebody didn't say 'no' to the sex toys. As in 'no, not an appropriate donation, we can't accept this and therefore you can't write it off as a deduction?'

Any way I look at it, I can't picture that gesture as anything other than supremely selfish. It seems unfair that someone can essentially dump any old crap and be rewarded for it, even as it costs the aid workers in time and transport which should be spent doing helpful things.

I think part of the problem of asking for specific donations is that these drives often happen far away from the disaster and so it takes time and a widespread network of people to get it to the place where it's needed - like the example of blankets for Japan in the article. By the time people have got enough to send off it may be too late (and conversely they probably continue to get trickles of donations for a long time afterwards). Drives asking for stuff donations probably work best for local ongoing projects like food banks, animal shelters etc.

And I'm sure even if the list were just 'water, non-perishable food and blankets' some people would donate inappropriately - dirty things, expired foods - because some people have an attitude of 'well they have nothing, so they won't be fussy'.


On a smaller note, we did the shoebox appeal every year when I was at school (you know, fill a shoebox with small toys, toiletries, stationary etc to be send overseas for children). We still do. We put a ton of effort in trying to get as much variety into the box as possible, I buy stuff way in advance and we usually do 4 boxes and cram stuff into every gap - because if it's the only gift a child might get for a whole year, I think they deserve it to be amazing. Anyway, you leave the boxes un-sealed so they can check for aerosols etc. One year a colleague wanted to do one and send it in via us. We get it and she's wrapped it completely closed to we have to open and re-wrap it. Inside there is nothing but paper. Just an entire shoebox of paper. Regular old printer paper, a couple of lined blocks and a few exercise books (some of which had been scribbled on by her kids).
Now granted, paper is amongst the suggested items, but how disappointing for a child to get a box of paper when your friends are getting gloves, sweets, sunglasses, marbles, stickers etc. It made me so sad because we always found filling the boxes a pleasurable thing and she obviously saw it as a way to dump unwanted stuff. We ended up unpacking it and mixing some of our goodies in to improve it, and I'd like to think the people checking the boxes at the depot would have done something similar. But sheesh lady.

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