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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 10:49:26 AM

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This birther BS.

FYI re the Obama birth certificate, Obama's Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate) referenced and pictured in the link you provided:

1) During mid-August 2008 there were four images alleged to be of Obama's original "Certificate Of Live Birth" posted subsequent to each other on the following two pro-Obama web-sites and two "independent" web-sites: DailyKos & FightTheSmears and FactCheck & Snopes. However, the four images are so visibly disparate to the naked eye from each other that three of them have to be fakes, and that doesn't necessarily mean that the one left over is authentic.

2) Under Hawaii law in 1961 it was possible (legally and illegally) to obtain a Hawaii birth certificate for a child not born in Hawaii.

3) Because of "2)" forgoing, the Department of Hawaii Home Lands ("DHHL") did not accept a Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate) as prima-facie evidence of a benefits applicant's Hawaiian heritage -- at least not until mid-August 2008 when it changed it's "Primary Documents" criteria to include a Hawaii "Certification Of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate), but even additional personal/family documentation was required to establish Hawaiian heritage.

4) During a 2009 "Presser" then White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs stated that Obama's 2008 campaign had requested and obtained a "Certified Copy" of Obama's "Certification Of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate), so it's fair and reasonable to question why Obama's 2008 official campaign web-site (which FightTheSmears was not) never posted an image of it but, rather, differed to DailyKos et al. Moreover, the image of Obama's "Certification Of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate) posted on the White House web-site since mid-April 2011 has a URL showing that it came from a user's post on Snopes's message boards. Why not from Obama's official 2008 campaign web-site or FightTheSmears?

"birther BS" = BS

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 10:51:40 AM

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First response

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Don't keep scratching your head, you will only have more sawdust to sweep up.
I wondered when you would have the brass balls to air your patent racism.
Enjoy the next 4 years.

I can see why you were called a racist for that. To start with you were writing too cogently for someone to believe you didn't actually know what a socialist is. Next time if you want to write something so profoundly ridiculously insanely wrong I suggest more misspellings and random capitalizations and punctuations. Then people will assume you are a garden variety internet loon and not someone who freaks out because a centrist politician has more melanin than you do.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 10:59:40 AM

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This birther BS.

FYI re the Obama birth certificate, Obama's Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate) referenced and pictured in the link you provided:

1) During mid-August 2008 there were four images alleged to be of Obama's original "Certificate Of Live Birth" posted subsequent to each other on the following two pro-Obama web-sites and two "independent" web-sites: DailyKos & FightTheSmears and FactCheck & Snopes. However, the four images are so visibly disparate to the naked eye from each other that three of them have to be fakes, and that doesn't necessarily mean that the one left over is authentic.

Lie. All images are of the same document. Birthers apparently believe that photos and scans of the same document taken at different times will be identical after being converted to image files etc.

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2) Under Hawaii law in 1961 it was possible (legally and illegally) to obtain a Hawaii birth certificate for a child not born in Hawaii.

Lie. A BC issued in Hawai'i in 1961 would have to include place of birth.

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3) Because of "2)" forgoing, the Department of Hawaii Home Lands ("DHHL") did not accept a Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate) as prima-facie evidence of a benefits applicant's Hawaiian heritage -- at least not until mid-August 2008 when it changed it's "Primary Documents" criteria to include a Hawaii "Certification Of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate), but even additional personal/family documentation was required to establish Hawaiian heritage.

Yes, This department of the Hawaiian state government deals with land held in trust for native Hawaiians. Obama is not such and so this is irrelevant, as has been explained to you on multiple occasions.

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4) During a 2009 "Presser" then White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs stated that Obama's 2008 campaign had requested and obtained a "Certified Copy" of Obama's "Certification Of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate), so it's fair and reasonable to question why Obama's 2008 official campaign web-site (which FightTheSmears was not) never posted an image of it but, rather, differed to DailyKos et al. Moreover, the image of Obama's "Certification Of Live Birth" (short-form birth certificate) posted on the White House web-site since mid-April 2011 has a URL showing that it came from a user's post on Snopes's message boards. Why not from Obama's official 2008 campaign web-site or FightTheSmears?

Because they set up FightTheSmears to deal with that sort of nonsense?
As to the white house site, perhaps they don't link to a defunct website because it is you know defunct?

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 12:37:23 PM

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Another reason I believe we grew up in different countries (and you’re not that much older than I, sir) is because, in my country, I’ve been told all my life that I cannot judge people based upon the color of their skin yet, my country seems to be okay with my being labeled a “racist” because of the color of mine (You see, it’s unfortunate but, I have some bad blood in my family and as a result, I do appear to be white).

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 12:41:12 PM

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The testevitulamen are just fucking around if Obama is an amateur, but they are professionally schizophrenic.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 1:18:17 PM

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This is so lame an attempt to divert. The political left knows they fucked up with Obama.

bwahahahahaha

So how is the Kenyan getting elected twice a fuckup?

The alternative was mouth breathing inept fuckwits?

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 1:21:53 PM

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This is so lame an attempt to divert. The political left knows they fucked up with Obama.

bwahahahahaha

So how is the Kenyan getting elected twice a fuckup?

The alternative was mouth breathing inept fuckwits?

I think that you probably are giving those more credit than they are due.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 1:50:52 PM

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I'll be blunt with you birtherism is racist.

No, it is not. It concerns Art. II, Sec 1, which does not concern itself with race at all (unless, of course, you're a leftist)

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 3:07:24 PM

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I'll be blunt with you birtherism is racist.

No, it is not. It concerns Art. II, Sec 1, which does not concern itself with race at all (unless, of course, you're a leftist)

The President made public a completely legal Hawai'i birth certificate which proves he was born in 1961 in the state of Hawai'i. Since natural born citizen is not defined in law anywhere the common meaning must be used and the commonly held meaning is a citizen born with that status. Obama is therefore a natural born citizen and no court would ever rule otherwise because there is not one shred of evidence to contradict those simple facts. That his release of definitive proof of his status almost 6 years ago did not end this, the fact that the primary pusher of this meme has been shown to be a bigot and the fact that many birthers continue to pursue various ridiculous theories despite overwhelming documentary evidence presented (far more than can be found to prove the status of most if not all previous Presidents) leaves only one conclusion.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 3:15:57 PM

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BTW how do you feel about a father who disowned his child and stopped helping her pay for college simply because she came out as gay?

Oh Lord, who did that?

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 3:17:15 PM

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After serving as an ambassador for the Obama administration, he needed to come out swinging, and didn't.

Bummer, isn't it, that serving the country in a bipartisan way is an impediment these days? (And yes, that could happen on my side too.)

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 3:50:55 PM

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BTW how do you feel about a father who disowned his child and stopped helping her pay for college simply because she came out as gay?

Oh Lord, who did that?

In 2005, when Maya Keyes was 20 years old, she came out as a lesbian. There were reports her family threw her out of the house and stopped talking to her.[15][16] In an interview with Metro Weekly, a Washington, D.C., LGBT newspaper, Maya confirmed that her father "cut off all financial support." In the same report Maya said, "It doesn't make much sense for him to be [financially] supporting someone who is working against what he believes in."[17] Alan Keyes contradicted reports about his having disowned his daughter in October 2007. Keyes said that he loves his daughter and that she knows she has a home with him. He asserted that he never cut her off and never would, because it would be "wrong in the eyes of God." He also said he would not be coerced into "approving of that which destroys the soul" of his daughter. He contended that he must "stand for the truth [Jesus Christ] represents" even if it breaks his heart.[18]

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 3:59:49 PM

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Thanks, Tazzy! That is heartbreaking.

ETA: Of course, a second after I'd posted my question, it occurred to me that I could Google it.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 4:23:35 PM

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This is so lame an attempt to divert. The political left knows they fucked up with Obama.

bwahahahahaha

So how is the Kenyan getting elected twice a fuckup?

The alternative was mouth breathing inept fuckwits?

Comparing republicans to mouth breathing inept fuckwits is pretty unfair to mouth breathing inept fuckwits......

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 4:48:21 PM

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BTW how do you feel about a father who disowned his child and stopped helping her pay for college simply because she came out as gay?

Oh Lord, who did that?

Alan Keyes did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Keyes

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 5:05:22 PM

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You opinion is one thing, your facts are another.

Why don't you provide some proof of the assertion below, specifically that the posters here (you all) have refused to criticize Obama on factual issues. Not talking about faked stories like UmbrellaGate, or the Kill Whitey video, or the $200 million trip, or the faked Benghazi emails.

Prove that no one here has ever criticized him on his abuse of the Patriot Act, or Guantanamo, or clandestine assassination of Americans, etc etc.

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They lost, else I'd say the same about them (excepting Ron Paul).

Look, Bush sucked and you all love to point that out and keep pointing it out. But do you harangue on Obama? Absolutely not. One would think he's the second coming.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/4/2013 5:07:30 PM

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Note that what Obama provided, and what Donald Trump provided were *exactly the same thing*... but of course one of them is accepted without question, and one still isn't.

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I'll be blunt with you birtherism is racist.

No, it is not. It concerns Art. II, Sec 1, which does not concern itself with race at all (unless, of course, you're a leftist)

The President made public a completely legal Hawai'i birth certificate which proves he was born in 1961 in the state of Hawai'i. Since natural born citizen is not defined in law anywhere the common meaning must be used and the commonly held meaning is a citizen born with that status. Obama is therefore a natural born citizen and no court would ever rule otherwise because there is not one shred of evidence to contradict those simple facts. That his release of definitive proof of his status almost 6 years ago did not end this, the fact that the primary pusher of this meme has been shown to be a bigot and the fact that many birthers continue to pursue various ridiculous theories despite overwhelming documentary evidence presented (far more than can be found to prove the status of most if not all previous Presidents) leaves only one conclusion.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/5/2013 8:55:19 AM

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The goals and methods of the left are easily recognized and the left has done a superb job at actually silencing the right's rhetoric. Criticize Obama and one is declared I.e. Raciss, no matter the criticism was of policy.

As a rightie I've admitted that "I miss Bill" in comparison to what we have had since. It's hysterical that I've been trashed for my support of Alan Keyes, a black man, based on his policies while now being told I'm Raciss because I question Obama's policies. But I understand the nature of the game.

I've never seen anyone on this board call you a racist.

Also I do really have to wonder if you read the crazy shit Keyes has put out the last few years. Are you really supporting his birther BS?

Precisely what "birther BS" are you referring to?

Every claim Keyes has made on the subject. Just like all the birther crap you've spouted the last 5 years.

The lack of specificity in your post renders it BS.

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/5/2013 9:48:29 AM

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Also I do really have to wonder if you read the crazy shit Keyes has put out the last few years. Are you really supporting his birther BS?

Alan Keyes isn't the only one who has put out "crazy shit" about Obama's eligibility, the lack thereof that is, the past few years.

2008 Democratic Party of Hawaii ("DPH") Chairman Brian Schatz signed and put out a 2008 DPH "Official Certification Of Nomination" ("OCON") for Obama (and Biden by default) which did not contain "under provisions of the U.S. Constitution" in its certification statement as required by Hawaii statute. Note: The DPH's OCONs for 2004 and 2000 did contain "under provisions of the U.S. Constitution." in their certification statements.

2008 Democratic National Committee Chairman Nancy Pelosi signed and put out two very different 2008 DNC OCONs -- one containing "under provisions of the U.S. Constitution" in its certification statement and another one which did not. Note: She sent the former to Hawaii and the latter to all the other states.

Democratic Governor of Hawaii and professed long-time close friend of Obama Neil Ambercrombie said he was going to put an end to "birtherism" once and for all by personally finding Obama's original Hawaii birth certificate and verifying it -- however, after two weeks of searching all he said he was able to find was a "hand written notation" referencing Obama's "vital records".

In 2009 CNN attempted to debunk birthers by sending a reporter, cameraman and someone born in Hawaii to the Hawaii Department of Health where they requested a Certified Copy of that persons original hospital-generated long-form "Certificate Of Live Birth" but were told they could only obtain a computer-generated, short-form "Certification Of Live Birth" birth certificate. Upon obtaining same they proclaimed it the same (type of document) as Obama's and pointed out the required embossed seal of the HDOH on it. What they didn't do, of course, was compare it to what had been alleged to be a Certified Copy of Obama's "Certification Of Live Birth" which DID NOT have the required embossed seal of the HDOH on it.

"crazy shit" indeed!

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RE: "Obama the Amateur" Part II - 6/5/2013 9:56:30 AM

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Yeah there is no doubt there are a bunch of schizophrenic conspiracy losers putting that shit out still, Prison-Planet, Faux Nuze, WND, Daily Caller, Breitbart, Boortz, Drudge Report and many more are doing big business feeding that felch to the feebleminded.

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