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RE: Unrest in Brazil - 6/24/2013 11:41:49 AM   
Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: YN

In Brasil the old landed patrones are giving way to the new industrial ruling class, much as occurred in North America or Europe as they industrialized.

I was going to suggest considering the state of the United States ~1880-1900 to obtain an idea of the internal contradictions needing resolution.

Brasil has a growing and growing in powered middle class, is in the process of shifting from an agrarian/resources based economy to an industrial state, has a large number of marginalized rurales and Indians treated as second class citizens in the hinterlands with a progressive and socialist government at the helm attempting to deal with these and other issues.

In this dynamic environment, the government certainly will not please all classes.


During the time of 1880-1900 in the United States, it was a time of labor unrest, violence, land disputes in the Western territories, mining strikes, railroad strikes, industrial sweatshops, racism, bigotry, religious intolerance. But they did get a lot of railroads and factories built, and America's industries boomed. The 1890s were affectionately known as the "Gay 90s." But out of that time came a strong desire and movement towards reform, even though it took decades before anything meaningful took shape - and even today, its legacy remains both within the U.S. and throughout the world.

I'm not sure if this has any relevance or not, but the same period in question was a time when many of America's commonly held patriotic ideals were in their heyday. Nationalism had become more popular in other countries as nations became more self-aware and saw their place on the world stage. I sometimes wonder if the world is heading in that direction again.

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RE: Unrest in Brazil - 6/24/2013 12:48:49 PM   
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Brasil is it's own case, but many of the things are the same as in the United States earlier in history.

Dilma and the government of Brasil are working on implementing national health care, resolving income inequities and the educational systems, but one can only do so much at one time. The United States also had troubles with corruption earlier as well, I recall names like Boss Tweed and such from the history course on the United States taken in the university many years ago.

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RE: Unrest in Brazil - 6/24/2013 4:06:14 PM   
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I guess the question is, are the wealthy and powerful of this world reasonable enough to be willing to give up some of their wealth for the sake of global peace and stability.

No! Of course not. Greed is good. Social justice threatens. In Brazil the wealth gap between peasants and landowners is huge and the rules are biased against the landless. New laws were put in place to share federal lands but the monied land-squatters delay justice in every way they can.



Vincent, I'm recently unemployed and I doubt I'll ever go back to work, again. Could you give me $150 per month towards my bills?



Peace and comfort,



Michael



A "card carrying libratatian" wants a handout?

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RE: Unrest in Brazil - 6/24/2013 4:08:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YN

Brasil is it's own case, but many of the things are the same as in the United States earlier in history.

Dilma and the government of Brasil are working on implementing national health care, resolving income inequities and the educational systems, but one can only do so much at one time. The United States also had troubles with corruption earlier as well, I recall names like Boss Tweed and such from the history course on the United States taken in the university many years ago.


what leads you to believe anything has changed since boss tweed?

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